This Is a Real Reason Why Middle-Class Incomes Remain Stagnant

[OnePercenter]

Get ready for another EO from obam.

Obama's Agency Reveals Plan to Give Work-Permits To Myriad Foreign College-Graduates

So that would raise the total foreign workers to what, 3%? Most pick lettuce, wash dishes, and clean toilets.

Those jobs have already been filled by the uneducated

Not necessarily. In the US, some are touting Americans taking more than one job rather than employers paying a living wage. So it stands that educated people may be taking these jobs to supplement what their primary employer failed to do.

 

[francoHFW]

Gallup recently found that 76% of Americans favor raising the minimum wage, while only 22% oppose it.
Yet Republicans continue to block a rise in the minimum wage.
Why?
Because Republicans only represent the 1%

If the 1% you refer to are the people with functional brains. Then yes I'd hope so.

The minimum wage increase to $15 is one of the stupidest ideas I've seen in a very long time. I'll give you a good example of why this is so stupid.

Let's go with McDonalds. Posted roughly a 20% profit margin, which btw is exceptional for fast food. According to what I've seen labor is about 25% of cost of sales for them.

How are you going to double the labor cost, and what's going to be it's impact on the business model?

1 - Will they cut staff?
2 - Will they raise prices?
3 - Will there be a combination of both?

Note that these are the only 3 alternatives. The most likely answer will be option 3. They will go with more automation which will cut jobs and offset some of the need to increase prices and maintain a good profit margin.

Now this doesn't sound as bad does it? Of course this won't be the only company who does this, and where are those now unemployable workers going to go? Why onto the federal dole, which btw will have to increase what it pays out due to the increased costs on well....pretty much everything.

Now here's where the real fun starts. Let's go with the guy making $15 an hour before the min wage increase. Congratulations...he's now making minimum wage. Think his employer is going to increase his pay....just cause? He might for his more important personnel, but he won't for everyone in most cases. Said employee will see his buying power plummet, and guess who else might need some federal assistance?

Guess he'll have to go buy less fast food...and other things he normally does. At this point I'd suggest you familiarize yourself with something called the Misery Index.

McDonald's orders 7,000 touchscreen kiosks to replace cashiers

That BS is from 2011 lol dupe.

 

[OnePercenter]

When was the last time middle-class has seen a tax increase?

Excepting expired temporary programs, eleven times during the eight years of Reagan.

 

[rightwinger]

Get ready for another EO from obam.

Obama's Agency Reveals Plan to Give Work-Permits To Myriad Foreign College-Graduates

So that would raise the total foreign workers to what, 3%? Most pick lettuce, wash dishes, and clean toilets.

Those jobs have already been filled by the uneducated

Not necessarily. In the US, some are touting Americans taking more than one job rather than employers paying a living wage. So it stands that educated people may be taking these jobs to supplement what their primary employer failed to do.

30 million working Americans receive some type of government assistance to compensate for low wages
There are not 30 million second jobs available

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The top 10% of wage earners in this country pay about 70% of all collected federal income taxes. If 70% is not enough, then tell me what percentage is.

It is called an income tax
Your claim only affirms that a small percentage is claiming most the income....Something we already know

Yes, it is income taxes, the taxes that fund just about every goodie in our federal government.

Income is not claimed, income is created.

Very true...it is created by the workers who receive an ever decreasing slice of the pie

Then the workers need to get a larger slice of the pie by making themselves more valuable to employers. The more valuable you are to an employer, the more money you are worth to him.

American workers are among the most productive on earth. They also work more hours and receive less vacation and benefits and retire later than the rest of the world....In spite of what conservatives claim...American workers are not lazy

Sure they are. How do you explain the record amount of people not working today?

Our social programs have become so generous that it's more advantageous to go on the dole than it is to work. We also have record amount of adults living at home with their parents. I spend everyday in industrial areas making pickups and deliveries. Those complexes are loaded with HELP WANTED signs all over the place. I inquire about some of them when it's a customer of ours. The jobs don't pay all that badly and some pretty good for non-skilled help.

 

[easyt65]

The reason? Obama.
- Documented. The Middle Class has stwadily shrunk under Obama.

It's 'elementary', common sense -
Millions of illegals, rgugees, more Americans on Welfare, Medicare, Food Stamps, etc with rhe Middle Class having to survive while firting the bill for all of it. Ibama os not taking the fiot off the gas, either....millions more piked onto the shoulders of the already-buedened Middle Class, that is getting smaller.

As they say, Socialism is awesome until they run out of other people's money.

Welcome to 'fundamental change'!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What unions? The only remaining unions now are government unions and they are putting the taxpayers in a serious hole. Unions are a thing of the past. They are in their rightful place--history books.

Yeah, 30 trillion since 2009, and who was President during all that time? Oh, that's right, blame Reagan.

Exactly...and Government Unions are not allowed to strike

The drop in wages and benefits corresponds to the decrease in power for the unions

Imagine the workers getting a bigger piece of the pie again, it would be great for the country
The money is there......Workers need to start demanding it

What you don't understand is that your idea only works in your little world.

In reality, all costs to business get passed down to us--the little people.

For instance, everybody wants cleaner air. Oh how nice cleaner air is. So in the trucking industry, we got hit with all kinds of environmental costs. A new tractor today costs over 10K than they did seven years ago. Why? Because of all the pollution BS they have to manufacture those trucks with.

Then we have this stuff called Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short. It's a separate container that squirts that goofy fluid into the exhaust pipe to make it cleaner. During the Bush regime, the EPA forced refineries to make diesel fuel cleaner by greatly lowering the sulfur content. Since that time, diesel fuel increased to around a dollar a gallon more than gasoline, and it's still that way today. Prior to that, diesel was cheaper than gasoline.

So my employer has to pay more for trucks, more for diesel fuel, has to buy DEF for the trucks, and 80% of the problems with the trucks we have have to do with some pollution gadget going haywire. So who do you think pays for all this, my employer?

Of course not. My employer has to increase our fees to our customers. Our customers who manufacture the products we buy at the store has to increase their prices to cover additional transportation costs. That's how it works in the real world.

Very interesting, and sounds fair to me. The only problem is that the nonrich are going to hell under Reaganist policy, and can't afford to keep up the demand we need.

How is semi fuel economy been doing? Has it gone up like car economy AND power? Thanks in great part to Dems I might add...Win win (along with less pollution.)

Our price of fuel today has nothing to do with the Dems. In fact, without them, fuel would be even lower today.

Our fuel break is due to fracking which most libs are against. Thanks to fracking ON PRIVATE LAND we've experienced an abundance of fuel. In fact, our lower fuel costs are what's driving the economy now and has for well over a year. What's more is that my employer has been able to lift our fuel surcharge which makes our service a little bit cheaper for our customers. On top of that, since we had a total Republican leadership, we no longer have two speed limits: one lower speed for trucks and another higher speed for cars. We all drive the same speed so we can get our deliveries done faster.

Quit trying to give credit to Democrats for Republican accomplishments. You don't know how desperate it makes you look.

Next year, new regulations to raise semi MPG. Since you can't answer any questions.
Fuel Efficient Semi-Trucks | Evan Transportation

And you think that doesn't add purchase cost to the vehicle?

The Cascadia is the truck I currently drive, and I can tell you it doesn't get the milage that's claimed in your piece. That milage is strictly highway and doesn't consider city trucks which gets much less. I drive city and highway and average about 6 MPG.

 

[OnePercenter]

The top 10% of wage earners in this country pay about 70% of all collected federal income taxes. If 70% is not enough, then tell me what percentage is.

That because 1% of $1M is more than 1% of $50k.

The real determining factor is what percentage of total income is paid to federal taxes. For instance, for 2015 mine is 3% of $41M. What's yours?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

When was the last time middle-class has seen a tax increase?

Excepting expired temporary programs, eleven times during the eight years of Reagan.

So roughly 30 years. Thanks for making my point.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The top 10% of wage earners in this country pay about 70% of all collected federal income taxes. If 70% is not enough, then tell me what percentage is.

That because 1% of $1M is more than 1% of $50k.

The real determining factor is what percentage of total income is paid to federal taxes. For instance, for 2015 mine is 3% of $41M. What's yours?

LOL, sure it is. What did you do, hit the lottery? LOL!

 

[rightwinger]

It is called an income tax
Your claim only affirms that a small percentage is claiming most the income....Something we already know

Yes, it is income taxes, the taxes that fund just about every goodie in our federal government.

Income is not claimed, income is created.

Very true...it is created by the workers who receive an ever decreasing slice of the pie

Then the workers need to get a larger slice of the pie by making themselves more valuable to employers. The more valuable you are to an employer, the more money you are worth to him.

American workers are among the most productive on earth. They also work more hours and receive less vacation and benefits and retire later than the rest of the world....In spite of what conservatives claim...American workers are not lazy

Sure they are. How do you explain the record amount of people not working today?

Our social programs have become so generous that it's more advantageous to go on the dole than it is to work. We also have record amount of adults living at home with their parents. I spend everyday in industrial areas making pickups and deliveries. Those complexes are loaded with HELP WANTED signs all over the place. I inquire about some of them when it's a customer of ours. The jobs don't pay all that badly and some pretty good for non-skilled help.

Baby boomers retiring...are they lazy freeloaders too?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, it is income taxes, the taxes that fund just about every goodie in our federal government.

Income is not claimed, income is created.

Very true...it is created by the workers who receive an ever decreasing slice of the pie

Then the workers need to get a larger slice of the pie by making themselves more valuable to employers. The more valuable you are to an employer, the more money you are worth to him.

American workers are among the most productive on earth. They also work more hours and receive less vacation and benefits and retire later than the rest of the world....In spite of what conservatives claim...American workers are not lazy

Sure they are. How do you explain the record amount of people not working today?

Our social programs have become so generous that it's more advantageous to go on the dole than it is to work. We also have record amount of adults living at home with their parents. I spend everyday in industrial areas making pickups and deliveries. Those complexes are loaded with HELP WANTED signs all over the place. I inquire about some of them when it's a customer of ours. The jobs don't pay all that badly and some pretty good for non-skilled help.

Baby boomers retiring...are they lazy freeloaders too?

And they just happened to all retire during the Obama administration, huh?

Well let's see what happens after he leaves office and we end up with a Republican President. I bet you see that number drop considerably after two years of leadership.

 

[rightwinger]

Very true...it is created by the workers who receive an ever decreasing slice of the pie

Then the workers need to get a larger slice of the pie by making themselves more valuable to employers. The more valuable you are to an employer, the more money you are worth to him.

American workers are among the most productive on earth. They also work more hours and receive less vacation and benefits and retire later than the rest of the world....In spite of what conservatives claim...American workers are not lazy

Sure they are. How do you explain the record amount of people not working today?

Our social programs have become so generous that it's more advantageous to go on the dole than it is to work. We also have record amount of adults living at home with their parents. I spend everyday in industrial areas making pickups and deliveries. Those complexes are loaded with HELP WANTED signs all over the place. I inquire about some of them when it's a customer of ours. The jobs don't pay all that badly and some pretty good for non-skilled help.

Baby boomers retiring...are they lazy freeloaders too?

And they just happened to all retire during the Obama administration, huh?

Well let's see what happens after he leaves office and we end up with a Republican President. I bet you see that number drop considerably after two years of leadership.

Labor participation rate has been declining since 2000
Just as expected

 

[francoHFW]

Exactly...and Government Unions are not allowed to strike

The drop in wages and benefits corresponds to the decrease in power for the unions

Imagine the workers getting a bigger piece of the pie again, it would be great for the country
The money is there......Workers need to start demanding it

What you don't understand is that your idea only works in your little world.

In reality, all costs to business get passed down to us--the little people.

For instance, everybody wants cleaner air. Oh how nice cleaner air is. So in the trucking industry, we got hit with all kinds of environmental costs. A new tractor today costs over 10K than they did seven years ago. Why? Because of all the pollution BS they have to manufacture those trucks with.

Then we have this stuff called Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short. It's a separate container that squirts that goofy fluid into the exhaust pipe to make it cleaner. During the Bush regime, the EPA forced refineries to make diesel fuel cleaner by greatly lowering the sulfur content. Since that time, diesel fuel increased to around a dollar a gallon more than gasoline, and it's still that way today. Prior to that, diesel was cheaper than gasoline.

So my employer has to pay more for trucks, more for diesel fuel, has to buy DEF for the trucks, and 80% of the problems with the trucks we have have to do with some pollution gadget going haywire. So who do you think pays for all this, my employer?

Of course not. My employer has to increase our fees to our customers. Our customers who manufacture the products we buy at the store has to increase their prices to cover additional transportation costs. That's how it works in the real world.

Very interesting, and sounds fair to me. The only problem is that the nonrich are going to hell under Reaganist policy, and can't afford to keep up the demand we need.

How is semi fuel economy been doing? Has it gone up like car economy AND power? Thanks in great part to Dems I might add...Win win (along with less pollution.)

Our price of fuel today has nothing to do with the Dems. In fact, without them, fuel would be even lower today.

Our fuel break is due to fracking which most libs are against. Thanks to fracking ON PRIVATE LAND we've experienced an abundance of fuel. In fact, our lower fuel costs are what's driving the economy now and has for well over a year. What's more is that my employer has been able to lift our fuel surcharge which makes our service a little bit cheaper for our customers. On top of that, since we had a total Republican leadership, we no longer have two speed limits: one lower speed for trucks and another higher speed for cars. We all drive the same speed so we can get our deliveries done faster.

Quit trying to give credit to Democrats for Republican accomplishments. You don't know how desperate it makes you look.

Next year, new regulations to raise semi MPG. Since you can't answer any questions.
Fuel Efficient Semi-Trucks | Evan Transportation

And you think that doesn't add purchase cost to the vehicle?

The Cascadia is the truck I currently drive, and I can tell you it doesn't get the milage that's claimed in your piece. That milage is strictly highway and doesn't consider city trucks which gets much less. I drive city and highway and average about 6 MPG.

And the next truck you get will get better mileage like cars have been getting for the last 40 years- thanks to Dems. And save more than that expense, short sighted dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

When was the last time middle-class has seen a tax increase?

Excepting expired temporary programs, eleven times during the eight years of Reagan.

So roughly 30 years. Thanks for making my point.

2010, when Pubs refused an extension of the Obama payroll tax cut. And every year state and local taxes and fees are raised to make up for Reaganist cuts in federal aid- rises that hurt the nonrich much worse.

 

[OnePercenter]

What you don't understand is that your idea only works in your little world.

In reality, all costs to business get passed down to us--the little people.

For instance, everybody wants cleaner air. Oh how nice cleaner air is. So in the trucking industry, we got hit with all kinds of environmental costs. A new tractor today costs over 10K than they did seven years ago. Why? Because of all the pollution BS they have to manufacture those trucks with.

Then we have this stuff called Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short. It's a separate container that squirts that goofy fluid into the exhaust pipe to make it cleaner. During the Bush regime, the EPA forced refineries to make diesel fuel cleaner by greatly lowering the sulfur content. Since that time, diesel fuel increased to around a dollar a gallon more than gasoline, and it's still that way today. Prior to that, diesel was cheaper than gasoline.

So my employer has to pay more for trucks, more for diesel fuel, has to buy DEF for the trucks, and 80% of the problems with the trucks we have have to do with some pollution gadget going haywire. So who do you think pays for all this, my employer?

Of course not. My employer has to increase our fees to our customers. Our customers who manufacture the products we buy at the store has to increase their prices to cover additional transportation costs. That's how it works in the real world.

BULLSHIT! One of the businesses I own is an equipment leasing company. I buy wholesale from Peterbilt, KW, International, Hino (Toyota), and Ford. The added environmental adds only increased prices 2%. Then the lowering of diesel fuel prices more than pays for DEF fluid.

If your employer is raising prices, it's probably going to his 'Maui beach house fund.'

 

[OnePercenter]

They say that a lot. Proving it? Well proving it doesn't come so easily does it. If your statement were true, we'd have seen working class incomes go up during Barrack Hussein Obama's tenure. Which of course it hasn't.

Buying power from the working class people has regressed. Again during Barrack Hussein Obama's tenure.

You shouldn't feel bad about his failure though, he's never learned how to lead anything in his life, so watching him show no clue as to how is unsurprising.

It is easy. Since 1970, how many bills were written/endorced by Republicans that supported the middle class that didn't give the rich/wealthy a bigger boost?

 

[OnePercenter]

Eventually I did, but I lived through the Reagan recession which was much worse than Obama's. I became unemployed at the beginning of that recession and took any job that paid, even if I was making less than minimum wage which was somewhere around $3.50 an hour at the time.

Once Reagan got the economy going again, I didn't want to live paycheck to paycheck. I took other jobs just for extra money.

Eventually is when Daddy Bush reversed Reaganomics.

 

[OnePercenter]

They do? The Rich and the Wealthy have their reins tight upon their Democratic puppets. You don't think the Clintons went from worth less than a million, to worth more than 200 million without producing a single thing in their lives by doing anything useful did you?

Barrack Hussein Obama is rapidly increasing his wealth. How?

Every recent President has had an increase in worth. It's one of the great perks of being POTUS.

 

[OnePercenter]

Democrats support tax and spend. Republicans support lower taxes and spending.

Bloviating.