This immigration business

[Dr Grump]

Re immigration.

Those vehemently opposed to illegal immigrants: is it because they are here illegally or the attempt by some of them to usurp US culture and impose their culture on parts of the US?

 

[5stringJeff]

Because they are here illegally. The government can, and should, set limits on how many immigrants from each country ought to be here legally. I have no issue with that. I have a huge issue with illegals coming into America and taking jobs from either American citizens or legal immigrants.

 

[Dr Grump]

Because they are here illegally. The government can, and should, set limits on how many immigrants from each country ought to be here legally. I have no issue with that. I have a huge issue with illegals coming into America and taking jobs from either American citizens or legal immigrants.

Fair enough. I agree. I do find it strange though, that both legal and illegal immigrants, in some quarters, do try and impose their culture on the place they have come to live. It doesn't make sense because,the logical conclusion being, if the neighbourhood they take over ends up like home, then their new home has become the place they were trying to get away from in the first place.

 

[dilloduck]

Re immigration.

Those vehemently opposed to illegal immigrants: is it because they are here illegally or the attempt by some of them to usurp US culture and impose their culture on parts of the US?

I'm opposed to letting them getting away with breaking the law. Why do I always hear we are a nation of laws when they are not enforced. The politicos and corporations are using these people for thier own benefit and dont give a damn what happens to the average american joe.

 

[MtnBiker]

then their new home has become the place they were trying to get away from in the first place.

Not economically.

 

[Dr Grump]

Not economically.

True. But I reckon within a generation or two it probably will due to the fact that a lot of third world countries are based on corruption and that is why a lot of these places are third world countries and remain so. I guess it is a matter of whether those attitudes are ingrained in those cultures for a generation or two

 

[MtnBiker]

All the more reason for us to control our borders. Control the amount of people coming in and once and for all make english the offical language.

 

[Dr Grump]

All the more reason for us to control our borders. Control the amount of people coming in and once and for all make english the offical language.

That's why I was querying the cultural aspects. I have heard (but can't remember where) there are some places in the southern parts of the country where you have to be bilingual to get a job...even at state level in some cases, which seems unfair to those who wish to do those jobs but are now no longer qualified..

 

[dilloduck]

All the more reason for us to control our borders. Control the amount of people coming in and once and for all make english the offical language.

Even if it "costs" us in the shortrun. I wanna see what America can do without depending on foreign labor. I wanna see if we can rise to the challenge or if we are a bunch of lazy MOFOs that deserve what we get.

 

[dilloduck]

That's why I was querying the cultural aspects. I have heard (but can't remember where) there are some places in the southern parts of the country where you have to be bilingual to get a job...even at state level in some cases, which seems unfair to those who wish to do those jobs but are now no longer qualified..

I can guarantee you that if you are not bilingual, you cannot get some jobs in Texas.

 

[Dr Grump]

I can guarantee you that if you are not bilingual, you cannot get some jobs in Texas.

Ok..Is that due more to practicalities or political correctness?

 

[MtnBiker]

That's why I was querying the cultural aspects. I have heard (but can't remember where) there are some places in the southern parts of the country where you have to be bilingual to get a job...even at state level in some cases, which seems unfair to those who wish to do those jobs but are now no longer qualified..

Agreed. I wouldn't ask someone to give up their culture, but I do believe it is acceptable for immigrants to assimilate into the american culture, especially in regard to language. For example drivers license and tests should be given in english. I could except a forgein language for a trial period, in order for a person to make a living, but in time perhaps a several months an english test should be taken.

 

[jillian]

Ok..Is that due more to practicalities or political correctness?

In parts of the country it's probably a matter of practicality. Doesn't make it right, but I'm sure it's the case.

Basically, I agree with Mtnbiker's position. I wouldn't ask anyone to give up their culture, but I do think it's fair for people, if they are going to live and work in a community, that they have a working knowledge of English.

On the other hand, I live in a neighborhood where there are many shops that only post their specials in Russian. And, no, I don't like that. It's not that I mind the signs being in Russian, I mind them not having English translations because it's like saying "well, we like it here. we want to live in your town. but we don't want to do business with you". Just seems kind of skewed.

By the time the immigrants have kids, though, language generally isn't an issue, since the kids are immersed in English once they start public school.

 

[dilloduck]

In parts of the country it's probably a matter of practicality. Doesn't make it right, but I'm sure it's the case.

Basically, I agree with Mtnbiker's position. I wouldn't ask anyone to give up their culture, but I do think it's fair for people, if they are going to live and work in a community, that they have a working knowledge of English.

On the other hand, I live in a neighborhood where there are many shops that only post their specials in Russian. And, no, I don't like that. It's not that I mind the signs being in Russian, I mind them not having English translations because it's like saying "well, we like it here. we want to live in your town. but we don't want to do business with you". Just seems kind of skewed.

By the time the immigrants have kids, though, language generally isn't an issue, since the kids are immersed in English once they start public school.

Foreigners come here for different reasons but there is NO reason for not respecting the laws, language and cultures of America. When America changes to accomodate immigrants, we have gone to far. Ask native Hawaiians what happened to them for having the "aloha" attitude of welcome.

 

[William Joyce]

Ask native Hawaiians what happened to them for having the "aloha" attitude of welcome.

Like they say about American Indians...

Great people. Lousy immigration policy.

Should we grant amnesty to the white man, Running Bear?

I don't know, Little Cloud. That could spell the end of us.

Running Bear! That's racist!

Oh, you could be right, Little Cloud. OK, you win.

 

[dilloduck]

Like they say about American Indians...

Great people. Lousy immigration policy.

Should we grant amnesty to the white man, Running Bear?

I don't know, Little Cloud. That could spell the end of us.

Running Bear! That's racist!

Oh, you could be right, Little Cloud. OK, you win.

I gotta give em credit---they tried negotiating--they tried fighting.
You think the white folks will end up on reservations and get to have casinos ? Putting up a little resistance to the invasion has got to be worth something.

 

[007]

Re immigration.

Those vehemently opposed to illegal immigrants: is it because they are here illegally or the attempt by some of them to usurp US culture and impose their culture on parts of the US?

Well, first of all, the term "illegal immigrant" is an oxymoron. You can't be an immigrant if you're illegal, and if you're illegal, you can't be an immigrant. The proper term for the invading mexican population is "illegal ALIEN". An ALIEN is someone who is in another country other than that of the thier origin. An "ILLEGAL ALIEN" is someone who has entered another country other than that of their origin "ILLEGALY". Get that straight. No more of this warm and fuzzy illegal immigrant crap. It's a bullshit tag thought up by the liberals to try and soften the image of the illegal aliens. I'm SHOCKED at how easily this shit catches on. One person say's it, and next thing you know, everybody is saying it, for no reason other than, "everybody else calls them that".

So, next time people are lined up jumping off the bridge, use your damn head before you do.