Zone1 This Doesn't Help Israel

[ChristisKing]

The point being that they accepted responsibility for what happened, and behaved accordingly.

Can you see Hamas or Hezbollah punishing their own for the atrocities they committed?

Nope and I wasn't trying to suggest otherwise. Although I am kind of curious why Israel violated the ceasefire agreement. If that's what actually happened that is and it isn't just fake news.

 

[Lisa558]

The point being that they accepted responsibility for what happened, and behaved accordingly.

Can you see Hamas or Hezbollah punishing their own for the atrocities they committed?

Are you kidding? They reward them!

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Are you kidding? They reward them!

Yes indeed.

A stipend and an apt for killing a Jew.

 

[ding]

Can you see Hamas or Hezbollah punishing their own for the atrocities they committed?

No.

Are they barbarians?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

No.

Are they barbarians?

Worse.

 

[ding]

Worse.

So they deserve to die. Is the final solution to kill them all?

 

[ChristisKing]

So they deserve to die. Is the final solution to kill them all?

I think that you're missing the point here. They don't care. They're terrorists.

 

[ding]

I think that you're missing the point here. They don't care. They're terrorists.

So they deserve to die. So why not kill them all? Don't they all deserve it?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

So they deserve to die. Is the final solution to kill them all?

I don’t know how to deal with your suggestions or your mindset.

You’re like a preemptive script.

 

[ChristisKing]

So they deserve to die. So why not kill them all? They deserve it, right?

The terrorists yes.

 

[Churchill]

I think that you're missing the point here. They don't care. They're terrorists.

Labelling them is a means to an end. It misleads the unwary into thinking one side is "evil" and the other side is "good".

War crimes are what we should speak of, war crimes are defined in the UN charter and in fact the details that define genocide were drafted by Jews who emerged from the Holocaust.

So don't fall for such linguistic silliness "terrorist" is a subjective label intended to have you embrace some narrative.

The term "terrorism" doesn't exist in international law, but war crimes does.

 

[ding]

I don’t know how to deal with your suggestions or your mindset.

You’re like a preemptive script.

No. I'm asking uncomfortable questions and you don't want to answer them because your answers make you uncomfortable.

I'm actually trying to get you to be reasonable. If you like I can skip all of this and go straight to what is reasonable but you won't like that so I'll still have to go through all the steps you find uncomfortable.

You see them as barbarians. They see you as barbarians. Everyone agrees that barbarians should be killed. But if you really want to end it, you have to kill them all. Every man, woman and child.

Because that would be the logical solution if they were barbarians.

 

[ChristisKing]

Labelling them is a means to an end. It misleads the unwary into thinking one side is "evil" and the other side is "good".

War crimes are what we should speak of, war crimes are defined in the UN charter and in fact the details that define genocide were drafted by Jews who emerged from the Holocaust.

So don't fall for such linguistic silliness "terrorist" is a subjective label intended to have you embrace some narrative.

The term "terrorism" doesn't exist in international law, but war crimes does.

 

[ChristisKing]

No. I'm asking uncomfortable questions and you don't want to answer them because your answers make you uncomfortable.

I'm actually trying to get you to be reasonable. If you like I can skip all of this and go straight to what is reasonable but you won't like that so I'll still have to go through all the steps you find uncomfortable.

You see them as barbarians. They see you as barbarians. Everyone agrees that barbarians should be killed. But if you really want to end it, you have to kill them all. Every man, woman and child.

Because that would be the logical solution if they were barbarians.

There's no real easy answer either way. It's a lose-lose situation.

 

[Churchill]

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By labelling something terrorism one instantly establishes a subliminal framework that forces you accept some narrative. As I said there is no "terrorism" in international law, not in the UN charter etc.

Better to speak of defined crimes, then assess each party more objectively.

Palestinians have a legal right to use force to resist foreign occupation, just as the French resistance did in WW2, but would you call the French resistance terrorists? the Nazis did.

 

[ding]

There's no real easy answer either way. It's a lose-lose situation.

Correct, but they don't see it that way. They see it as a win-lose situation. We win. They lose. So they become like the enemy. Seeing the other side as a barbarian that deserves to die. Yet never admitting that they must kill them all to achieve peace or that they themselves have become barbarians in the process.

The reasonable answer is to only use force in self defense and trust God to resolve it. Which they will never do because they have forgotten God.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

No. I'm asking uncomfortable questions and you don't want to answer them because your answers make you uncomfortable.

In your dreams.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

I'm actually trying to get you to be reasonable

You’re not doing a very good job of it.

And BTW, there’s more to it than just killing. Much more,

 

[ShahdagMountains]

international law,

What’s that? lol.

 

[SaxonJackson]

That's not how it went down. Iran said that one of the conditions of the ceasefire was the bombing in Lebanon had to stop. But reportedly, immediately after the ceasefire Israel continued bombing Lebanon. That's why the ceasefire only lasted a very short time.

Absolutely correct. Israel has been sabotaging any attempt at a "ceasefire" from day one. Trump is insignificant from an Israeli's point of view other than the fact that they need Trump's war machine to do their dirty work for them.

Great post, buttercup. You are tuned in!!