This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam

[Coyote]

I'm trying to be a good guy here and give you all the benefit of temporary stupidity.

Your posting history indicates an inability on your part discern stupidity from wisdom. I strongly recommend you hold on to your benefits for the time being and use them to advance your own education.

My education about Islam and Islamization is from 12 year of study in 25 books and thousands of their footnoted source reports. And you, who got a ZERO on the Islamization Quiz, compared to me, on this subject, you are just being born.

What Islamization quiz?

 

[Mojo2]

I do not recall Jesus of Nazareth nor Guatama Buddha teaching that it was OK to kill in the name of God, or to defend other co-religionists, or to advance the cause of The Faith; embedding such commentaries directly within their sacred writings; or to lie to Unbelievers; or to practice polygamy, or a hundred other most UN-godly teachings.

Yet they do. Actions speak louder then words.

Oh, hell, I'm the first one to admit that Christianity has probably been responsible for more deaths than Islam and the rest combined, when you add 'em all up.

But the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament are designed to supersede the teachings found in the Old, with the Old tagging along as cultural-historical background piece and as a catch-all for dealing with anything not covered in the New.

The New is supposed to override the Old every time.

Jesus taught 'Love Thy Neighbor' and 'Turn the Other Cheek'.

By comparison, Muhammed's hands are soaked in the blood of thousands.

When a Christian kills, he does so in DIRECT CONTRAVENTION to the teachings of his Founder.

When a Muslim kills, he oftentimes does so IN OBEDIENCE to the teachings of his Founder.

Big frigging difference.

Also, when Christianity gets too far out of whack, the core teachings of its Founder act as a Reset Button, to begin to stop the insanity, and to bring the Faithful back into the Center.

Given that a Muslim is oftentimes obeying his Founder when he kills, there IS no such Reset Button within Islam.

The only reason why Islam has not been killing in large numbers is because they have been under the European colonial and imperial heel for some centuries and unable to behave the way they used to behave.

With the colonial and imperial masters now gone and having skeddadled back to Europe, and with Islam slowly re-awakening and re-arming and re-politicizing, that Time of Killing is coming again... we are seeing the beginnings of such a religiously-motivated culture clash.

Crusade and Jihad, Round 2, is not an impossibility, within the next 100 years, in this modern-day age of instantaneous communications and high-speed mass travel.

God forbid.

But we in The West DO need to keep history in mind, and the intentions and motivations of our potential Adversaries in mind, as some of them attempt to settle-in amongst us.

Islam-at-large has been responsible for a great deal of political unrest and terrorism within the past few decades, with no end in sight.

We would be fools to deny such a modern legacy or to ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist.

Because it does.

"...Islam, in western cultures is of western cultures..."

I withdraw my 'rubbish' observation.

And replace it with 'horseshit'.

You're not fooling anybody with THAT observation.

I'm quoting your fine post so more people might have a chance to read it!

 

[Kondor3]

"...I'm not trying to fool anyone. I'm pointing out that Muslims in Western cultures are of western cultures..."

No. They are first- and second-gen immigrants residing in lands which historically distrust and despise their belief-system and its attendant law and politics and cultural impositions, and who do not integrate well or mainstream with their new host-cultures and societies.

"...I don't know of any American Muslims who want to impost strict shariah law on the nation or who feel that Shariah should overrule the Constitution. Do you?"

Nope. Not until they have 'numbers' on their side, anyway. The Europeans are a little ahead of us with such experiences, and can tell us a different story.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Martin Niemöller

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

I would agree with you except for the fact that they do their share of liquidating people who aren't of their faith.

Ignorant, hateful nonsense.

There is nothing in Islamic religious doctrine or dogma that sanctions ‘liquidating’ anyone.

 

[Coyote]

"...I'm not trying to fool anyone. I'm pointing out that Muslims in Western cultures are of western cultures..."

No. They are first- and second-gen immigrants residing in lands which historically distrust and despise their belief-system and its attendant law and politics and cultural impositions, and who do not integrate well or mainstream with their new host-cultures and societies.

Bull. Muslims were part of our nation from it's founding.

"...I don't know of any American Muslims who want to impost strict shariah law on the nation or who feel that Shariah should overrule the Constitution. Do you?"

Nope. Not until they have 'numbers' on their side, anyway. The Europeans are a little ahead of us with such experiences, and can tell us a different story.

Again. There are none that seek to impose such over the constitution. All you can do is provide conjecture.

Even Europe is not under "Shariah law".

 

[protectionist]

I don't know of any American Muslims who want to impost strict shariah law on the nation or who feel that Shariah should overrule the Constitution. Do you?

HA HA HA HA!! Oh man, can you believe this ? Pheeeeww!! You have a lot of nerve being in this thread, coyote. You KNOW NOTHING about what is going on in America, with respect to Islam, Islamization, and terrorism. OR, you're just lying in a very ludicrous way.

This is so inane I feel silly even answering it, but oh well. The Muslim Brotherhood 22 years ago, decreed a state of war against America, and all western Civilization. It 's called the Explanatory Memorandum.

It was revealed in the Brotherhood's 1991 Explanatory Memorandum...for North America, discovered by the FBI in 2005, and declassified in the Holy Land Foundation, Hamas terrorist funding trial in 2007 & 2008.

The key words from it are :

"The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all that the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood in North America] must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands, and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated, and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."

Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, United States vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al. 7 (21).

If anybody would be lame enough to try to refute this, the US Justice Dept. is the source of the information, and they will back it up. So will the 5 or 6 Muslim Brotherhood leaders convicted in the trial, and now rotting in prison, for the rest of their lives.

Your most correct words were >> "I don't know..." well, that's because you haven't done the homework. You simply haven't read the books and the reports, for years and years. You haven't paid the dues.

And if you'd like to know who the bad guys are, here's a pretty sizable sample of them, as defined by the US Justice Dept. >>

Muslim Brotherhood front groups in America

CAIR, ISNA, MAS, MSA, ICNA, FCNA, MAYA, AEF, UASR, IAP, BMI, IIIT, IMANA, AMSE, ICNA, Islamic Institute, AMC, AMF, Success Foundation, GSISS AKA Cordoba University, NAIF, IIFTIKHAR, AMSS, TIAA, IRO, African Muslim Agency, Safa Trust, SAAR Foundation, MMCT, Dar El-Eiman USA, ADAMS, IANA, GRF, MWL, MYNA, HHT, Islamic Academy of Florida, Fairfax Institute, AMT, IIFSO, AMCE, AMAFVAC, CISNA, Isalmic Media Foundation, et al

Then, after this you have the violent Muslim jihadists (al Qaeda, Al-Shabbab, loners - ex Boston Bombers, etc)

 

[jasonnfree]

Martin Niemöller

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because they were killing Jews.
Then the came for the Christians and I did not speak out because they were slaughtering Christians.
Then the came for the women and gays. I did not speak out because they were beheading women and gays.
When they came for me, no one spoke out because I deserved my fate.

See I fixed it for you.

You just changed things around to suit your philosopy. In the original it sez they came for the socialists and unions. Which political party on this board has an intense hatred for socialists and unions?

 

[Kondor3]

"...I'm quoting your fine post so more people might have a chance to read it!"

Thanks. It wasn't my best-ever presentation of such concepts, but it wasn't too bad, for a quick snapshot piece.

This 'Full Equivalency' mentality is suicidal to Western interests, in light of the long-range intentions and manifested behaviors of a reawakening Warrior Religion.

And it needs to be labeled as 'suicidal' every time that it bubbles back up to the surface.

Folks can make up their own minds, as to who is right, or closer to being right, or which approach is safest, under the circumstances.

 

[Kondor3]

"...I'm not trying to fool anyone. I'm pointing out that Muslims in Western cultures are of western cultures..."

No. They are first- and second-gen immigrants residing in lands which historically distrust and despise their belief-system and its attendant law and politics and cultural impositions, and who do not integrate well or mainstream with their new host-cultures and societies.

Bull. Muslims were part of our nation from it's founding.

As slaves, perhaps, sold to Euro-trash Slavers by Arab-trash Slavers and brutal half-Islamicized native tribesman willing to sell their neighbors and adversaries into slavery.

But Islam, at large, had virtually zero to do with the founding and growth of our nation, in any appreciable numbers; not so's you'd notice until very recent times.

"...Again. There are none that seek to impose such over the constitution. All you can do is provide conjecture..."

Yep. Conjecture. Based upon the debates recently (and still) raging in Europe. And based upon calls in Michigan and elsewhere to integrate Sharia into American law. And based upon initiatives in dozens of State Legislatures to ban it, explicitly or implicitly.

"...Even Europe is not under 'Shariah law'".

Not yet. But they (Muslims) are trying; whenever they have packed a district or region with sufficient numbers so as to begin showing their true colors.

 

[protectionist]

Martin Niemöller

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

I would agree with you except for the fact that they do their share of liquidating people who aren't of their faith.

Ignorant, hateful nonsense.

There is nothing in Islamic religious doctrine or dogma that sanctions ‘liquidating’ anyone.

Obviously, YOU are the ignorant one. Islamic doctrine is the Koran and Hadith, and they are both jam packed with verse after verse of advocacy of genocidal mass murder, which has resulted in just that of a monstrous 270 million people killed over 1400 years. Liquidating non-Muslims is exactly the core of what Islam is. To say "There is nothing in Islamic religious doctrine or dogma that sanctions ‘liquidating’ anyone" could be assessed as the most INCORRECT statement ever uttered in this forum. Where on earth did you get such a notion ?

 

[Tank]

Islam = Nazis

 

[protectionist]

What "most people"?

What's the matter ? You don't know the meaning of the word "most". It means >> more than half.

What "most people"? It's a simple question dude. Not rocket science.

So ? You got your answer. More than half the people of the world. Are you asking for the names of all the 3.63 Billion + of them ? Maybe I'll just give you a sample >>

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/...d-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2

Islam Is Not A Religion, It Is Foreign Law

Why Islam is Not a Religion > Rebecca Bynum

http://www.islam-watch.org/iw/aboutus.html

Islam Is Not A Religion, But A Dangerous Ideology | International

The Patriot Factor: Islam is NOT a Religion

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. « Avid Editor's Insights

Italy: Islam Not Recognized as a Religion -- Denied Religious Tax Status - Atlas Shrugs

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina40811.htm

Islam and the Definition of Religion

Comments from Former Muslims - WikiIslam

Info on Islam: Islam is not a religion

Islam Is Not A Religion It Is A Cult

 

[Mojo2]

What are the Five Stages of Islamic Domination?


Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead

Population density 2% (US, Australia, Canada).

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities, removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs near Mosques).

Stage 2. Establish Outposts

Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street

Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.

Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).

First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of the population the demands turn to lawlessness.

Stage 4. Establish Regional Control.

Population density 20% - 50%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues.


Stage 5. Total Control, Brutal Suppression, and Dhimmitude.

Population density > 50%.

Unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels.

What are the Five Stages of Islamic Domination? - Yahoo Answers

 

[protectionist]

So what country is going to be the second one to ban Islam ? Perhaps Italy, where Islam is not recognized to be a religion, and is accordingly denied the tax status that religions get.

Or Israel maybe ?

 

[Asclepias]

IT"S STARTING. The Dominos are beginning to fall. Angola today. Eventually, every country in the world will ban Islam. How comforting to see the photograph of the heavy demolition equipment knocking down the minarets, and destroying the mosques. Click the link to see it.

This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam - PolicyMic

Its the second largest religion in the world and one of the fastest growing. Not too many countries will be banning it

List of religious populations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Tank]

Its the second largest religion in the world and one of the fastest growing. Not too many countries will be banning it

List of religious populations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thats sucks for the women

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

IT"S STARTING. The Dominos are beginning to fall. Angola today. Eventually, every country in the world will ban Islam. How comforting to see the photograph of the heavy demolition equipment knocking down the minarets, and destroying the mosques. Click the link to see it.

This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam - PolicyMic

After reading the story and the comments here I think the real reason was lost somewhere, Protectionist. It was in response to the Wahhabists that had been beheading Christians there. Angola is 95% Christian. Here is a link to the story that was emailed to me late last night and although I wasn't warned I will warn others the bottom of the story is a graphic photograph - be forwarned of that.. I will post a paragraph from the link so you can read the reason they did it without opening the link. Again a photo at very bottom of the story is graphic photo - christian girl beheaded - terrible sight. That is why they banned Islam in Angola... they could no longer tolerate that kind of violence. - thanks, Jeri

[UPDATED] WOO HOO! African state of Angola bans Islam and will destroy all the mosques | BARE NAKED ISLAM

95% of Angola’s population is Christian. A quarter belongs to Protestant churches founded during the colonial period, including congregational evangelical church.
This decisive action taken by the Angolan head of state is based on a desire to guard against the rise of the Wahhabi ideology that has created havoc, death and destruction in Africa and elsewhere.

Clip from the link - full story inside link -

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

IT"S STARTING. The Dominos are beginning to fall. Angola today. Eventually, every country in the world will ban Islam. How comforting to see the photograph of the heavy demolition equipment knocking down the minarets, and destroying the mosques. Click the link to see it.

This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam - PolicyMic

How do you feel about Muslims who knock down churches?

Well from the articles coming out on Angola they aren't taking too kindly to it. They don't like their Christian people being beheaded either so they banned it. I doubt there is going to be a reformation. I had to edit that last part. - Jeri

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

IT"S STARTING. The Dominos are beginning to fall. Angola today. Eventually, every country in the world will ban Islam. How comforting to see the photograph of the heavy demolition equipment knocking down the minarets, and destroying the mosques. Click the link to see it.

This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam - PolicyMic

How exactly would banning Islam help our country?

That's like banning guns as an answer to gun violence; you don't really solve anything and now, you have unarmed citizens who can no longer protect themselves.

Furthermore, wouldn't you say that our constitution very specificity guarantees religious freedom? Aren't you pro-constitution or is that only when it suits you?

Banning a religion? How about banning Christianity because of sexual abuses by members of the churches that are propagating it?

Kind of a very slippery slope once the government starts regulating religion. I hope that's never the case, because the day you become outnumbered, you're next.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Doesn't matter. We are a tolerant nation by our Constitution, and that has not changed. Should Muslim radicals disturb our peace, as they have done, we handle it as a criminal not religious matter.

Disagree that it doesn't matter. Agree that we will continue to treat it under the terms of the Constitution until (and if) it becomes clear that it needs to be treated otherwise. We are not there yet, but we should continue to keep our eyes open, because we are dealing with an alien and largely incompatible hybrid belief system that may cause us considerable difficulty in the coming years.

I agree on some of your points. We should note that part of our far reactionary right has become "an alien largely incompatible hybrid belief system" with American values, but we won't allow it to "cause us considerable difficulty" either.