Thinking Back To Abraham Lincoln

[TheParser]

President Lincoln did say (before he was elected president) that he believed that African Americans and Caucasian Americans had such different cultures that they could not live together in harmony.

He suggested the former might want to move to the islands in the Caribbean.

He expressed this opinion in very civil language.

Maybe he later changed his opinion during the Civil War. I do not know.

 

[Batcat]

I'm pretty sure Americans are the slaves, forced to pay for all the free shit Biden gives his millions of illegals. Did you know Dems give more money to illegals than we pay some military service members?

Yes. Vets often get the short end but treating illegal aliens better than vets is pushing the limits.

 

[Libby von H]

Everything most Americans know about asshole Abe is wrong.

Dishonest Abe sold slaves.
Probably people will find most interesting Lincoln’s direct order in 1850 to SELL the slaves of his father-in-law’s estate. It is plainly there in the documents, which somehow the host of Lincoln scholars have previously failed to notice. Not surprising, since other Northern heroes, Steven Douglas and U.S. Grant, also got slaves from the wife’s families and like Lincoln considered it a routine matter.
Lincoln Sells His Slaves – Abbeville Institute

Dirty Abe was considered an ardent racist even in his time.
The real Lincoln owned and sold slaves; was the chairman of the Illinois Colonization Society that used tax dollars to deport free blacks out of the state; worked diligently as president to plan the deportation of all blacks (see Colonization after Emancipation by Phil Magness and Sebastian Page); supported the 1848 amendment to the Illinois constitution that prohibited blacks from migrating into the state; enjoyed nothing more than black-face minstrel shows; represented slave owners in court seeking to retrieve their runaway slaves but never a slave; supported the Illinois constitution that deprived the small number of free blacks in the state of any civil rights including the right to vote; and understood more than anyone that no abolitionist could ever have been elected to anything in Illinois in the first half of the nineteenth century. But then you would know all of this if you had read my book The Problem with Lincoln.

Is anything Americans have been taught about Lincoln NOT a lie?
Here's the Proof that Lincoln Owned and Sold Slaves - LRC Blog

Abe planned to deport all blacks in his second term but thankfully, Booth saved us from that atrocity.
How was Lincoln “worse”; let us count the ways. Lincoln was in fact an even more extreme racist and white supremacist (a typical man of the North, in other words) than I argued in TRL. This speaks volumes not just of Lincoln but of the Lincoln cult in academe that has covered up these truths for generations. In The Problem with Lincoln I document page after page of his own statements and declarations demonstrating this point, something that should inspire the current crop of left-wing “protesters,” arsonists, and vandals to begin dismantling all the Lincoln statues that scar the land.

For generations, the Lincoln cult has attempted to cover these plain historical facts up by saying that slick old Abe was simply pandering to the pervasively-racist white Northern electorate when he opposed making citizens of black people, or allowing them to intermarry with whites, and to deport them to Africa, Central America — anywhere but the U.S. “Honest Abe” was obsessively lying through his teeth his entire adult life, in other words. That is their defense.

This argument was discredited forever with the publication of the book Colonization After Emancipation by Phil Magness and Sebastian Page, in which they prove that Lincoln was plotting with William Seward until his dying day to deport all black people, including the soon-to-be-freed-slaves, to various locations in the tropics and in Africa. These authors uncovered correspondence between Lincoln and various foreign governments regarding the purchase of land for the deported black people from America that dates almost to the day of the assassination. I tell the story in my new book.
The Problem With Lincoln - LewRockwell

This is all false and has been shown to be false. Those who believe it want to believe it.
So about the father, all Lincoln students know that Lincoln did not even attend his father's funeral, there was long-time bad blood between them.
As to the colonization scheme we have Frederick Douglass's word that Lincoln knew it was out of favor with Blacks. As to the whites(!)Lincoln was temporizing and stalling them -- as all Lincoln students know

 

[rightwinger]

President Lincoln did say (before he was elected president) that he believed that African Americans and Caucasian Americans had such different cultures that they could not live together in harmony.

He suggested the former might want to move to the islands in the Caribbean.

He expressed this opinion in very civil language.

Maybe he later changed his opinion during the Civil War. I do not know.

That was a common claim by many at the time.
Lincoln quickly abandoned the idea

 

[gipper]

This is all false and has been shown to be false. Those who believe it want to believe it.
So about the father, all Lincoln students know that Lincoln did not even attend his father's funeral, there was long-time bad blood between them.
As to the colonization scheme we have Frederick Douglass's word that Lincoln knew it was out of favor with Blacks. As to the whites(!)Lincoln was temporizing and stalling them -- as all Lincoln students know

No. It’s all true. Unfortunately the Lincoln Cult has fucked the minds of too many Americans.

 

[gipper]

Really?

Apparently you can’t read.

 

[mikegriffith1]

President Lincoln did say (before he was elected president) that he believed that African Americans and Caucasian Americans had such different cultures that they could not live together in harmony.

He suggested the former might want to move to the islands in the Caribbean.

He expressed this opinion in very civil language.

Maybe he later changed his opinion during the Civil War. I do not know.

First off, we need to understand that Lincoln always saw colonization as a voluntary action. He never supported coerced/forced colonization.

In late 1861, Lincoln took the first steps to establish a formal federal colonization program. Lincoln was still showing active interest in colonization in 1862. In the summer of 1862 Lincoln began developing a colonization plan for Panama. In September 1862, Lincoln told Secretary of State Seward to start soliciting partnerships for colonization with foreign governments.

However, due to a number of factors, Lincoln appeared to temporarily lose interest in colonization by mid-1864, not because he no longer believed in it but because he concluded it was just not politically feasible.

In early 1865, Lincoln expressed an interest in making a modest move to revive the colonization effort. It's important to understand that Lincoln did so because he was concerned about violence against freed slaves.

As for Lincoln's racial views, they were moderate to progressive by the standards of his day, although in our day they would be branded as revoltingly racist.

 

[gipper]

First off, we need to understand that Lincoln always saw colonization as a voluntary action. He never supported coerced/forced colonization.

In late 1861, Lincoln took the first steps to establish a formal federal colonization program. Lincoln was still showing active interest in colonization in 1862. In the summer of 1862 Lincoln began developing a colonization plan for Panama. In September 1862, Lincoln told Secretary of State Seward to start soliciting partnerships for colonization with foreign governments.

However, due to a number of factors, Lincoln appeared to temporarily lose interest in colonization by mid-1864, not because he no longer believed in it but because he concluded it was just not politically feasible.

In early 1865, Lincoln expressed an interest in making a modest move to revive the colonization effort. It's important to understand that Lincoln did so because he was concerned about violence against freed slaves.

As for Lincoln's racial views, they were moderate to progressive by the standards of his day, although in our day they would be branded as revoltingly racist.

No. He intended to deport by force. Remember he started a war that murdered 850,000 Americans because he opposed states rights and secession, ignoring everything the Founders implemented and supported. And all because he tyrannically demanded the South pay the tariff or die.

 

[JWBooth]

I was just wondering, what if, back in the 1860's, president Lincoln had opened up the borders of the North to a flood of millions of Southerners? Would he have been labeled as aiding and abedding insurrectionists? How would that have been received during those days for allowing that to happen? Wouldn't that be an extreme act of treason, barring him from ever holding office or the presidency again?

There was no restriction on border crossings or entry in the 1860s. Every fighting aged male getting off the boats in yankee controlled ports was forcibly conscripted into the yankee army though.

 

[mikegriffith1]

No. He intended to deport by force.

No, Lincoln never, ever supported forced colonization. I'd like to see a single source that says otherwise.

Remember he started a war that murdered 850,000 Americans because he opposed states rights and secession, ignoring everything the Founders implemented and supported. And all because he tyrannically demanded the South pay the tariff or die.

Lincoln did not start the war. The Confederacy started the war by bombarding Fort Sumter. Attacking Fort Sumter made it impossible for Lincoln to resolve the secession crisis peacefully and played right into the hands of the Radical Republicans.

For that matter, the Deep South states violated the Constitution by refusing to honor the results of the 1860 election. They had no legal or rational grounds for refusing to honor the election. They didn't even give Lincoln a chance to show how he would govern.

I agree that the founding fathers intended the Union to be voluntary, but the Deep South chose a terrible time to exercise that implied right without even giving Lincoln a chance.

 

[Curried Goats]

First off, we need to understand that Lincoln always saw colonization as a voluntary action. He never supported coerced/forced colonization.

In late 1861, Lincoln took the first steps to establish a formal federal colonization program. Lincoln was still showing active interest in colonization in 1862. In the summer of 1862 Lincoln began developing a colonization plan for Panama. In September 1862, Lincoln told Secretary of State Seward to start soliciting partnerships for colonization with foreign governments.

However, due to a number of factors, Lincoln appeared to temporarily lose interest in colonization by mid-1864, not because he no longer believed in it but because he concluded it was just not politically feasible.

In early 1865, Lincoln expressed an interest in making a modest move to revive the colonization effort. It's important to understand that Lincoln did so because he was concerned about violence against freed slaves.

As for Lincoln's racial views, they were moderate to progressive by the standards of his day, although in our day they would be branded as revoltingly racist.

I'm not sure what the time of day has to do with anything. You're a racist if you think people are inferior based on their race. He would be a racist at any time of the day.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Of course Lincoln was racist. So are you, Curried Goat, based on the totality of your postings.

 

[Curried Goats]

Of course Lincoln was racist. So are you, Curried Goat, based on the totality of your postings.

I don't think people are inferior based on their skin color. I think white supremacists are culturally inferior based on their beliefs. Today. There was a time in this country when they weren't.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Racial supremacists of any color are culturally inferior.

 

[Curried Goats]

Racial supremacists of any color are culturally inferior.

Agreed. So, how does that belief make me a racist?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Empty statement.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Lincoln had a face made for a nice concealing beard.

 

[Curried Goats]

Empty statement.

Says the guy too pussy to even respond to me directly....

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

I was just wondering, what if, back in the 1860's, president Lincoln had opened up the borders of the North to a flood of millions of Southerners? Would he have been labeled as aiding and abedding insurrectionists? How would that have been received during those days for allowing that to happen? Wouldn't that be an extreme act of treason, barring him from ever holding office or the presidency again?

That rat piece of shit would. Should have shot that bastard in 1855.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Says the guy too pussy to even respond to me directly....

I did. You are the empty suit, the empty chair, the empty statement.