These are the facts in evidence. Trumpette's, avert your eyes.

Congress authorized $391M in aid to Ukraine at the end of 2018. $250M under the control of the DoD and $141M under the control of the Dept. of State.

The federal government's fiscal year for 2019 started 10/1/2018 and went through 9/30/2019. Regardless if it took arm twisting or not, for me it comes down to whether the money was provided before October?

As for my personal view of Trump's action, it was inexcusable but not unlawful.
You certainly are welcome to your opinion. But............

Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

Pentagon officials worried withholding aid was illegal

The basis for my belief that the bottom line is whether the allotted funds made their way to Ukraine comes from the House Democrats themselves….. in particular the 2 sentences in red.

Why is the ICA important?
Today, 45 years after the ICA became law, Congress once again confronts a President attempting to push past the long-recognized boundaries of executive budgetary power. This year, for the second straight year, the Trump Administration reportedly considered issuing rescission requests for certain foreign aid and security assistance accounts less than 45 days before the end of the fiscal year, when the funds in question would expire. In the closing weeks of fiscal 2019, OMB withheld funding in these accounts in a manner inconsistent with longstanding procedures and policies. The House Budget and Appropriations Committees have serious concerns that President Trump and his administration violated the ICA in withholding these funds. The committees are examining when, why, and how these funds were withheld; and whether these actions prevented agencies from spending the full amount that Congress provided for these activities, thus thwarting the will of Congress. Congress will not bend to executive overreach. It will defend its constitutional power of the purse and the fundamental checks and balances that are critical to our constitutional republic.

The Impoundment Control Act of 1974: What Is It? Why Does It Matter?
 
It was nepotism with Burisma and Biden. I believe nepotism is rife throughout our country and theirs.

Nepotism means, a high level official provides a friend or relative with a job.

There is no evidence whatsoever Joe had anything to do with how Hunter got his job. As far as the public record goes, Hunter informed dad about the job after the fact.

So, it wasn't nepotism, as far as we know. Cashing in on a famous family name. Maybe adding to Burisma's reputation by hiring to the board someone with that name - right next to a former Polish prime minister and a former CIA guy. Maybe a hope for access to Joe on the side of Burisma, but there is no evidence they got it.

Let's not bend words to fit a vague notion of fishiness. Hunter admitted, taking the job was an error of judgment. That's about right. And let's not forget, there's Trump's daughter and son-in-law - and the next Trumpleton voicing any concern about that would be the first.
 
The world laughs nervously as the remaining super power teeters on the brink of one party fascism. Accepting the corruption and the weaponizing of bipartisan foreign aid against the other half of the country is a poison pill that only former Republicans can swallow. I bet they swallow.

Putin Smiles.

"Former Republicans"... that's harsh. But justified. The "party of law and order", no less.

If they ever met with a public official, desperate he perform a public act (such as issuing a building permit), and that official demanded a favor, they'd know immediately they've been extorted and asked for a bribe. Our "former Republicans" see nothing. The public official then details the favors he wants to extract, and our Trumpletons still see nothing.

In 2017 and 2018, Trump released aid to Ukraine (and boasted about it). Each time, under the law, the DoD and DoS had to certify that Ukraine made (further) progress rooting out corruption, meaning that, in 2018, Ukraine was less corrupt than during the previous year, and, in 2019, the country was even less corrupt.

Just in 2019, Trump discovered what a terribly, horribly corrupt place Ukraine is, and withheld aid to look into Ukrainian corruption (no one did that investigation, and no one was asked to do it, and no one was even aware anyone was asked to do it). While withholding aid, wailing about terrible, horrible corruption, he also asked this terribly, horribly corrupt country to investigate fellow Americans. (Apparently, Giuliani also asked Italy for an investigation, and was laughed out of the room.)

American officials, urging the incoming Zelensky administration not to investigate the previous one, for that would be corrupt and divisive, were humiliated when a Ukrainian officials reminded them that Americans were urging Ukrainians to investigate an official of the previous administration. It'd be a laughing matter, were it not so dispiriting.

Watching our Trumpletons trying to find a way through the thicket of rightarded talking points is like watching a complete moron trying to bind his shoelaces. He never quite gets it done, but it isn't for lack of effort.

And let's not forget: Hat President Obama asked, in 2015, for a favor in form of publicly announcing an investigation into Trump's sleazy business deals in Russia, and had he be caught in 2016, they would have impeached him in a matter of weeks. A day before the election in 2016, if need be. And they know it. That's why all the screeching about "the scam" is as vacuous as it is mendacious.
 
I'm proud of where i live.

Me too. I just choose not to open myself up to harassment from internet trolls.

You're lying dude. This is crazy talk. You're not American I am convinced of this. You won't state what state you're in because you know any follow up questions such as restaurants or sports teams you would not know how to answer. You're a foreign and disruptive troll.

And here you were just a bit ago telling me how horrible it was that I didn't take people at their word.

That's pretty ironic, don't you think?

You goad me for not telling you what state I live in because that's so general and now you're talking about follow up questions about restaurants, sports teams, etc. You see why I'm hesitant? Because it's just tell me your state and then it's tell me your city, then all sorts of other garbage. If you're convinced I'm from another country, telling you any of this stuff (which is really easily searched for on the internet) is pointless, it won't change your mind.
Sports, restaurants, states are benign. You’re either super paranoid or a foreigner. I think the latter and certain things the Web won’t tell you. Such as the feeling of being in Wrigley Field.
I’m a south sider. Obstructed view at Wrigley
Wrigley Bleachers are the best
 
LOL Berg won't even answer the simple question whether he believes Schiff's claim that he doesn't know the Whistleblower.
What difference does it make? Do you folks have anything other than diversions?
It makes ALL the difference. When the mastermind behind the entire Impeachment farce bald face lies to the committee, he shows he has no credibility. Since you are ducking the question I assume you don't believe him.

How did Schiff mastermind Trump holding up millitary aid to Ukraine with absolutely no proper explanation?

How did Schiff mastermind Jiuliani running around Ukraine looking for dirt on Bidens and trying to get embassador to Ukraine removed?

How did Schiff mastermind Trump call with Zelensky where he talked about Ukraine not recieprocating generous American aid, and how they ought to do us favors in investigating DNC server and Bidens?

How did Schiff mastermind Sondland telling Ukrainians that everything is conditioned on announcement of investigations?

How did Schiff mastermind Zelensky scheduling CNN interview?

He must be no less than God himself.
You can make up stuff better than Schiff. Tell me why didn't Obama give military aid to Ukraine?
Here's a novel idea. Why don't you research it yourself. But before you do here's something to consider.

Trump Resisted Sale of Javelins to Ukraine
What specific law did Trump break?
 
I'm proud of where i live.

Me too. I just choose not to open myself up to harassment from internet trolls.

You're lying dude. This is crazy talk. You're not American I am convinced of this. You won't state what state you're in because you know any follow up questions such as restaurants or sports teams you would not know how to answer. You're a foreign and disruptive troll.

And here you were just a bit ago telling me how horrible it was that I didn't take people at their word.

That's pretty ironic, don't you think?

You goad me for not telling you what state I live in because that's so general and now you're talking about follow up questions about restaurants, sports teams, etc. You see why I'm hesitant? Because it's just tell me your state and then it's tell me your city, then all sorts of other garbage. If you're convinced I'm from another country, telling you any of this stuff (which is really easily searched for on the internet) is pointless, it won't change your mind.
Sports, restaurants, states are benign. You’re either super paranoid or a foreigner. I think the latter and certain things the Web won’t tell you. Such as the feeling of being in Wrigley Field.
I’m a south sider. Obstructed view at Wrigley
AzogtheDefiler should I be worried now? Doh
 
What difference does it make? Do you folks have anything other than diversions?
It makes ALL the difference. When the mastermind behind the entire Impeachment farce bald face lies to the committee, he shows he has no credibility. Since you are ducking the question I assume you don't believe him.

How did Schiff mastermind Trump holding up millitary aid to Ukraine with absolutely no proper explanation?

How did Schiff mastermind Jiuliani running around Ukraine looking for dirt on Bidens and trying to get embassador to Ukraine removed?

How did Schiff mastermind Trump call with Zelensky where he talked about Ukraine not recieprocating generous American aid, and how they ought to do us favors in investigating DNC server and Bidens?

How did Schiff mastermind Sondland telling Ukrainians that everything is conditioned on announcement of investigations?

How did Schiff mastermind Zelensky scheduling CNN interview?

He must be no less than God himself.
You can make up stuff better than Schiff. Tell me why didn't Obama give military aid to Ukraine?
Here's a novel idea. Why don't you research it yourself. But before you do here's something to consider.

Trump Resisted Sale of Javelins to Ukraine
What specific law did Trump break?
The butthurt demofks law
 
When you start posting facts instead of opinions, maybe some will honor your idiotic post by responding. Until then, suck it up!
What in the OP is an opinion? Specifically.
You still haven't told me what specific law Trump broke. This is why Trump will be reelected and we will get a majority in both houses. Thank you!
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Simple question. Specifically what law did Trump break?
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Biden's statement has been out there since 2018. Why are we just hearing about it and how awful it is now? Because it is campaign season; that's why.
If Trump has commited impeachable offenses then he deserves to be impeached, nothing to do with voting.
abuse of power and obstruction of congress aren't crimes. they are within his power.

he's allowed to hold aid. tell me I'm wrong.
So was Obama, then. So why are folks screaming that there was something wrong with what Biden did?
The REASON for withholding the aid is the problem. It was to further Trump's political campaign. You have just said it is fine for a President to withhold aid, so why would Trump be looking into that? He wasn't concerned about Biden's withholding of aid. Trump was concerned with Biden being in front of him in the polls.
What specific law did Trump break?
 
When you start posting facts instead of opinions, maybe some will honor your idiotic post by responding. Until then, suck it up!
What in the OP is an opinion? Specifically.
You still haven't told me what specific law Trump broke. This is why Trump will be reelected and we will get a majority in both houses. Thank you!
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More like show me proof that a crime was committed, when the alleged crime did not occur... but someone said that the crime was meant

Trump held up aid and told Ukrainians that generous American aid is not being recieprocated by them, followed by request for favors investigating DNC server and Bidens.

His pointman on Ukraine was telling Ukrainians and other diplomats that everything is conditioned on public announcement of investigations.

Aid released only when Congress opened investigations.


No evidence? Do you LIKE looking like an ignorant dupe?
See you quoting Schiff's farytail. Glad to see your mindset.
 
Me too. I just choose not to open myself up to harassment from internet trolls.

You're lying dude. This is crazy talk. You're not American I am convinced of this. You won't state what state you're in because you know any follow up questions such as restaurants or sports teams you would not know how to answer. You're a foreign and disruptive troll.

And here you were just a bit ago telling me how horrible it was that I didn't take people at their word.

That's pretty ironic, don't you think?

You goad me for not telling you what state I live in because that's so general and now you're talking about follow up questions about restaurants, sports teams, etc. You see why I'm hesitant? Because it's just tell me your state and then it's tell me your city, then all sorts of other garbage. If you're convinced I'm from another country, telling you any of this stuff (which is really easily searched for on the internet) is pointless, it won't change your mind.
Sports, restaurants, states are benign. You’re either super paranoid or a foreigner. I think the latter and certain things the Web won’t tell you. Such as the feeling of being in Wrigley Field.
I’m a south sider. Obstructed view at Wrigley
AzogtheDefiler should I be worried now? Doh
Idk the White Sox play on the South Side. Cubs play on the North Side...you tell me.
 
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Whew...boy - you got it bad.

LOL!!!
So.........attempting to refute the facts isn't your thing. Got it.

Yes, Sonland testified.

And changed his story.

So, regardless of how much of a chubbie it gives you, he's been discredited.

Sorry....

And without him you really have nothing (well, you have nothing to start....your entire line up adds up to bullshit with a sprinkle of left wing ideology).
 
Let me say from the outset I fully understand Trumpette's are not typically persuaded by facts.

Why don't you go fuck yourself.

1. What constitutes a Trumpette ?

2. What is your definition of a fact ?

You are left wingnut shithead.
 
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Whew...boy - you got it bad.

LOL!!!
So.........attempting to refute the facts isn't your thing. Got it.

When you start posting facts instead of opinions, maybe some will honor your idiotic post by responding. Until then, suck it up!

Name one " person who testifaked" that wasn't a trump hating Socialist! Just because they wore a uniform or had a title before their name doesn't make what they said any less hearsay. Go cry again. He's not going anywhere for 5 more years. Here's somewhere that will accept your spin.

Why are you quoting my post? Berg is the one you should have quoted.
 
What state do you live in?
I don't think he's a US american.

Oh I know. I am curious if he will respond honestly, since his diatribe is all about honesty.
Perhaps it's a good time to refresh your memory as to the subject matter.

Congress authorized $391M in aid to Ukraine at the end of 2018. $250M under the control of the DoD and $141M under the control of the Dept. of State.

July 3.........Lt. Col. Vindman testified that is the date when he learned a hold on the aid had been put on.

July 10.......During a meeting at the WH Gordo Sondland makes Ukrainian officials aware Zelensky will only get a WH meeting w/ Donzo the Clown if he agrees to launch investigations in to the Biden's. Bolton tells Fiona Hill to report this to the NSC lawyer.

July 18........In a secure call with national security officials, a staff member of the WH OMB announces there’s a freeze on Ukraine aid until further notice, based on a presidential order to the budget office.
Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal


July 25.........the "perfect" call. Immediately after Zelensky offers to buy more military weapons Trump replies by saying "I would like you to do us a favor though" and proceeds to ask Zelensky to look in to the batshyte crazy conspiracy theory about the Crowdstrike server and later to work with Slimy Rudy in investigating the Biden's.
FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Two US officials, Catherine Croft and Laura Cooper, have testified that as early as July 25 Ukraine officials expressed concern over the military aid they knew had been approved. “On July 25, a member of my staff got a question from a Ukraine embassy contact asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance,” Cooper testified.

Aug. 12.......A whistleblower files a formal complaint addressed to Congress that details concerns over the July 25 phone call and the hold placed on the military aid. The complaint is withheld from Congress until Sept. 25. At some point after the call was made alarmed WH and national security officials, including John Eisenberg, make the decision to use a code level secure server to hide.......sorry.........store.......sorry......hide the transcript of the call even though it contains nothing of national security import to justify such a measure. The DoJ is notified of a criminal referral issued by the CIA's top lawyer regarding the call. Despite the obvious violation of the law prohibiting the solicitation of election assistance from a foreign country Billy the Bagman determines the call is no problemo.

Congressional testimony from Sondland, Hill, Vindman, Taylor, Cooper, Volker all corroborate the fact that diplomatic officials were aware the assistance to Ukraine would be held up until an announcement was made by Ukraine that the investigations Trump wanted were being initiated. Sondland testified that...... “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.” He went on to say.......“Was there a quid pro quo? As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

Various WH officials such as................
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could offer more details but their testimony is being illegally blocked by the imposition of a claim that does not exist in law, "blanket privilege" for any and all WH officials the prez sees fit to block.

Once the WH became aware Trump had been caught they released the military aid and an edited copy of the call transcript cuz...............what else could they do?

In a nutshell, Trump put a hold on military assistance to use as leverage in order to get Zelensky to agree to announce Ukraine would investigate a political rival of Don's who at the time was the front runner to get the Dem nomination to run for the presidency............breaking two laws.
so the only question you have to answer here is this, does a president have authority to hold aid? yes or no?
That is only one facet of the issue. Because it wasn't only that he illegally withheld the aid. It's why he withheld it. To use as a way to extort Ukraine in to getting the investigations he wanted. There you have an example of an abuse of power, subjugating US security for his political benefit, and the illegal act of withholding the aid.
Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

Great source! Got anything written by someone with at least a GED?
 
we believe facts. post one someday
You’re little more than childish taunts and Trump programming.

I could write an algorithm that would give me the same results as your participating in this thread.

What state do you live in?
I really don't like giving out identifying information online. Makes it easier to doxx people.

I'm in the midwest.

Really? I live in Boston, MA. There are around 1mil people there. Go and doxx me. LOL

That is crazy paranoia. Oh and I am a Jew. I have two kids and I am 39. Still have zero chance of guessing who I am. Come on man.
Chitown, always discuss where I'm at. it's an internet, if you use a vpn, there is no way to see your internet machines. hmmmmmmmmm. the dude can't even give a state? maybe he isn't familiar with where he lives.

I know for sure that he lives in a state of denial!
 
Really? I live in Boston, MA. There are around 1mil people there. Go and doxx me. LOL

That is crazy paranoia. Oh and I am a Jew. I have two kids and I am 39. Still have zero chance of guessing who I am. Come on man.

I was a participant in another message board where conservative members sought to doxx other individuals. Experience shows me it isn't paranoia.

You may share whatever you want, I will do what I want. I don't see it as relevant either.

If you cannot even share a state that is deep paranoia. I am also a Pats fan. Go Pats!

Doxx me.

Why would I doxx you? What do you care anyway? It's creepy.

Not sharing personal details on the internet isn't deep paranoia. It's what you should be teaching your two kids.
I'm proud of where i live.

Me too. I just choose not to open myself up to harassment from internet trolls.

You ARE an internet troll. Either that or extremely stupid!
 

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