"There was a little boy who flew out the window because of the impact and a little 5-year-old girl who was injured in the face."

[BackAgain]

To enemies of humanity and supporters of Islamic Jihad such as you, no difference other than business as usual. Just doing as Mohammad directed 1400 years ago. Why Islam is Evil and a scourge upon humanity.

I agree with your post EXCEPT for the claim that CrusaderFrank supports Islamic Jihad. I see no value in that hyperbole.

 

[Stryder50]

I agree with your post EXCEPT for the claim that CrusaderFrank supports Islamic Jihad. I see no value in that hyperbole.

He doesn't speak out against it.
He objects to and disputes our efforts to defeat it.

Leaves the "Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, must be a duck."

If you or he can convince me otherwise, I'm open

 

[BackAgain]

He doesn't speak out against it.
He objects to and disputes our efforts to defeat it.

Leaves the "Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, must be a duck."

If you or he can convince me otherwise, I'm open

Although I have already noted that I disagree with his position on this major topic, I have also never read a word of his supportive of the scumbag Iranian Islamofascist regime or its murderous behaviors.

Beyond that, since CrusaderFrank doesn’t need me to speak for him, I take a pass on trying to convince anyone.

 

[Lisa558]

Seriously, WTF drug are you on??
That is the most absurd g.d. viewpoint I've ever seen. That's major Wacky Bullshit.

Since you’re relatively new around here, I’ll let you in on a little secret: that poster used to be a moderator!

 

[Lisa558]

I agree with your post EXCEPT for the claim that CrusaderFrank supports Islamic Jihad. I see no value in that hyperbole.

Except that he directs his hate and ire for Israel, and says nothing about the Islamic Terrorists of Iran.

 

[Stryder50]

Although I have already noted that I disagree with his position on this major topic, I have also never read a word of his supportive of the scumbag Iranian Islamofascist regime or its murderous behaviors.

Beyond that, since CrusaderFrank doesn’t need me to speak for him, I take a pass on trying to convince anyone.

It's the default result of objecting only towards the actions of Israel and USA, but having no complaints about actions from Iran, or other players on the Islamic Jihad team.

 

[Thethingsz]

Hmmmmm where and the 160 schoolgirls killed in the opening sneak attack were legitimate military assets?

Why are you comparing a case were civilians were not the target?
Whereas islamists

(Iran / Hamas Oct7 example and most terror attacks failed or not, ramming/stabbing/shooting/bombing...) on almost a weekly basis, / Hezbollah)

always target civilians and sometimes are "lucky" to hit a military...by chance

 

[BackAgain]

Except that he directs his hate and ire for Israel, and says nothing about the Islamic Terrorists of Iran.

I have been labeled a “Jew” because I support Israel. I’m not. Heck, frankly, I’m not even particularly religious at all. The depth of my religious belief is that I do believe in God.

I see many on the left and some on the right as plenty willing to blame the Jews. They say silly crap like that imbecile, EMH, and his asshole buddy, gipper, spout all the time.

I confess, I find their so-called “thinking” to be vile and moronic.

If there is a question about whether Israel benefits from denying Iran any capacity to craft nuclear weapons, the answer is obviously, “of course they do!”

That does not, however, validly translate into the U.S. being led by Israel. The entire world benefits with a nuclear free Iran.

If CrusaderFrank has anything to say about the behavior of the insane Iranian regime, I leave it to him.

 

[MisterBeale]

Iran should be targeting the airfields.

I've heard that most of them are already out of commission.

Even airfields as far away as Cyprus have come under attack, and I have even seen some debate about them hitting Diego Garcia.

That speaks to the reality that they are running out of airfields to target and destroy. Even our Carrier force has been crippled, but in reality that is likely the cause of our Congress and government not sending troops into this legally. That's probably been the American people's greatest victory. Taking a representative republic to war against their collective "o.k." is a strategy that is doomed to failure.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/world/beddings-on-fire-toilets-clogged-did-us-sailors-sabotage-uss-gerald-r-ford-to-escape-iran-war-duty-article-13865500.html

Did US soldiers set fire to bedding, clog toilets of warship Gerald R Ford to skip war duty?

US-Israel-Iran War: Amid the war in Iran, the US aircraft carrier Gerald R Ford is retreating to a port in Greece for repairs. The ship was plagued by clogged toilets, and a fire that burnt through the vessel's laundry system and sleeping quarters. While the first has been blamed on the crew...

www.indiatoday.in

 

[MisterBeale]

Israel “wanted this” is absolutely false.

If they had not started a war with Iran, rather than sticking to intel operations and proxies, they would not now be in the position that the OP is complaining about.

 

[MisterBeale]

Custer's enemy was equally armed, but greatly outnumbered Custer. It was the classic military debate of quality versus quantity. Motivation and morale was also on the Indian/Native American's side.

Mogadishu was mostly an Army battle, few Marines. Some SEALS and Air Force as well. Again, it boils down to numbers mostly. Essentially "human wave" tactics by the Somalis, willing to take huge number of casualties to embarrass the USA into leaving combined with USA political constraints on how much firepower to use since there were thousands of civilians being used as shields.
...
The SNA leadership had the express goal of expelling U.S. forces from Somalia following the Abdi House Raid, and knew that the Americans would not be able to tolerate casualties, especially in a conflict they had no real stake. They believed that inflicting any notable casualties on the Americans would cause Congress and the public to turn against participation in UNOSOM II and withdraw from Somalia.The SNA's objective was not to achieve a tactical military victory against the Americans and UNOSOM, but to sap their will to continue fighting and force a complete disengagement from Somalia. In Losing Mogadishu: Testing US Policy in Somalia, Johnathan Stevenson argued that the Americans had not recognized that, much like the North Vietnamese guerrillas, the Somali National Alliance was deliberately executing a military philosophy of attrition in order to achieve victory in spite of a high kill ratio, knowing they could absorb far more losses than the Americans would be able to tolerate.
...

Battle of Mogadishu (1993) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What it really seems is that Left leaning politicians and strategists often fail to learn the lessons from history (Clinton POTUS during Mogadishu) which is why when Democrats are running the show, they usually botch it, cost more American lives and treasure than should, and fail to achieve their feeble goals.

Those on the Right; Conservatives/Republicans have learned the lessons better, and if not hindered and constrained by the Left will get better results. One key less is if you are going to do something military, don't do half-measures. Use your full load, don't hold back until the objective/goal is attained. This is what we are seeing as the USA and Israel deal with Iran.

There are a few other observations and lessons to be learned from the examples you present, but for another time and place.

I'm no longer reading your posts. At least not until you can stop with the false personal slander.

 

[Lisa558]

I have been labeled a “Jew” because I support Israel. I’m not. Heck, frankly, I’m not even particularly religious at all. The depth of my religious belief is that I do believe in God.

I see many on the left and some on the right as plenty willing to blame the Jews. They say silly crap like that imbecile, EMH, and his asshole buddy, gipper, spout all the time.

I confess, I find their so-called “thinking” to be vile and moronic.

If there is a question about whether Israel benefits from denying Iran any capacity to craft nuclear weapons, the answer is obviously, “of course they do!”

That does not, however, validly translate into the U.S. being led by Israel. The entire world benefits with a nuclear free Iran.

If CrusaderFrank has anything to say about the behavior of the insane Iranian regime, I leave it to him.

I’ve noticed, as well, that anytime a poster supports Israel, antisemites automatically assume he’s Jewish. It’s as they’re trying to convince themselves that only 2% of Americans support Israel, and 98% side with the Islamists.

SO not true.

 

[Thethingsz]

Israel “wanted this” is absolutely false.

He knows it's false

 

[BackAgain]

If they had not started a war with Iran, rather than sticking to intel operations and proxies, they would not now be in the position that the OP is complaining about.

Even if your claim was accurate, that still wouldn’t translate into Israel “wanting” this.

Also, if you stop and think things through, you’ll have to concede that Israel did not “start” this. They certainly joined in. But the United States had to have been engaged in our military planning for it — for a pretty long time.

Also, unlike the Iranian Islamofascist regime, we have not deliberately targeted or attacked civilian areas. I suspect that was the thrust of what the OP was addressing.

 

[Thethingsz]

I am afraid Israel may be pushed to use nuclear weapons.

Meanwhile the nuclear genocide threats have been coming only ftom the Islamist side. Since 1991. And this is the latest, a few months ago

Senior Iranian Officials Threaten To Use A Tactical Nuclear Bomb Against Israel

In the past few months, senior Iranian regime officials have threatened several times to use a tactical nuclear bomb against Israel.

www.memri.org

 

[MisterBeale]

Even if your claim was accurate, that still wouldn’t translate into Israel “wanting” this.

I disagree. If you start a war with someone, hit them and kill their people, it is an invitation for in kind retaliation.

 

[MisterBeale]

Also, unlike the Iranian Islamofascist regime, we have not deliberately targeted or attacked civilian areas.

According to our propaganda, sure, that's true.

The International media is not reporting this reality though.

 

[BackAgain]

I disagree. If you start a war with someone, hit them and kill their people, it is an invitation for in kind retaliation.

I didn’t say that it wasn’t to he unexpected.

But that’s clearly not akin to “wanting” it.

 

[MisterBeale]

I didn’t say that it wasn’t to he unexpected.

But that’s clearly not akin to “wanting” it.

 

[BackAgain]