There she goes! The bizarre escapades of Hillary Rodham Clinton

[theDoctorisIn]

You can't see the difference between attacking your arguments and supporting Hillary Clinton?

I honestly and truly can't. How can I construe it to mean anything else? A simple matter of "for" or "against." You have said one, but suggest the other by demanding to know what criteria Hillary must meet for her deeds to qualify as accomplishments.

Your mistake is thinking that my criticizing your talking points "suggests" that I support Hillary. It's really as simple as that.

 

[kiwiman127]

TemplarKormac

Using your criteria for "accomplishments", what have Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio or Rand Paul accomplished "for America"?

More importantly, what has Templar done for America?

Is the ad hominem really necessary?

What kind of response is that?????

What kind of response was yours? It's rather unflattering to be compared to Mrs. Clinton. So if you please, attack my thread, not me.

Well, based on your performance on this thread, I would have to say that you're a paranoid little guy, aren't you? And because you're so paranoid, you are missing the direction of the conversation.
Egads, it's time to move on.

 

[LoneLaugher]

TemplarKormac

Using your criteria for "accomplishments", what have Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio or Rand Paul accomplished "for America"?

More importantly, what has Templar done for America?

Is the ad hominem really necessary?

What kind of response is that?????

What kind of response was yours? It's rather unflattering to be compared to Mrs. Clinton. So if you please, attack my thread, not me.

In what world would someone with YOUR accomplishments be offended at being compared to someone with. Sec. Clinton's accomplishments?

 

[TemplarKormac]

You can't see the difference between attacking your arguments and supporting Hillary Clinton?

I honestly and truly can't. How can I construe it to mean anything else? A simple matter of "for" or "against." You have said one, but suggest the other by demanding to know what criteria Hillary must meet for her deeds to qualify as accomplishments.

Your mistake is thinking that my criticizing your talking points "suggests" that I support Hillary. It's really as simple as that.

Believe what you wish, Doc.

Here are my definitions of "accomplishments" pertaining to an elected official and for Hillary

1) Working across the aisle. Check. Her record with working with Republicans as a Senator (like her husband) is well known.
2) Maintaining influence without abusing it. Not sure.
3) Maintaining the ability to be trustworthy. Nope. She has already demonstrated such with her email server.
4) Staying honest amid political pressure. Nope. Benghazi comes to mind.
5) Maintaining integrity amid that same political pressure. Unsure. Will have to wait and see how she runs the rest of her campaign.
6) Faithfully executing his or her prior office and upholding the Constitution. As Senator? Yes. As State Secretary? No.

 

[TemplarKormac]

TemplarKormac

Using your criteria for "accomplishments", what have Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio or Rand Paul accomplished "for America"?

More importantly, what has Templar done for America?

Is the ad hominem really necessary?

What kind of response is that?????

What kind of response was yours? It's rather unflattering to be compared to Mrs. Clinton. So if you please, attack my thread, not me.

Well, based on your performance on this thread, I would have to say that you're a paranoid little guy, aren't you? And because you're so paranoid, you are missing the direction of the conversation.
Egads, it's time to move on.

Yes it is time to move on. To my ignore list.

 

[MarathonMike]

Run for your life Ms Clinton, It's a sniper!!!!!

 

[Coyote]

While not strictly done to "better America" - she has done a lot to improve the lives of children and women around the world through the Clinton Foundation.

While I appreciate what she's done for the world, I asked what she's done to better America. Just one thing.

Did you somehow MISS the bulk of my post and just focus on the last sentence????

No. I read the bulk of your post. But when I reached that specific portion of your post, I knew you didn't answer the question directly. Instead you offered in summation "While not strictly done to "better America" - she has done a lot to improve the lives of children and women around the world through the Clinton Foundation." You essentially told me she didn't do anything to better America.

Then you did not read my entire post. You inserted your own interpretion negating everything I said prior. Shame on you.

Your question to me, if you recall, was why do I like her? I gave you my answer.

All the research I did on the Adoption and Safe Families Act shows she did a lot of lobbying, and an op ed in 1995. She then helped break a stalemate to help get the bill passed. She also did the same thing with the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act. While these helped the children of America, I am more specifically interested in what she has done to help all of America, not one particular segment of the population.

Then you should have said so in your initial question. I can think of very few politiicians and no recent elected officials who have helped "all of America" by your definition. However - children represent a substantial portion of America and more to the point they are the future of America.

1) She also created an office of Violence Against Women under the Justice Department. 2) She pushed to have the illness' of returning Gulf War veterans investigated, 3) and also the health consequences of first responders, 4) including drafting the first bill to finally compensate and offer the health services they deserve.

1) Of course, but the violence continues. A singular office isn't going to stop the violence.

Of course the violence continues. So does poverty. So does war. You seem to be saying that unless something is totally ended or fixed, nothing matters. Each solution is a step in the right direction. A "singular office" means that the government is giving violence against women serious attention.

2) And the recent atrocities committed by the VA indicate this effort was an utter failure.

That has absolutely nothing to do with recognizing and treating the Gulf War Syndrom. But thanks for the strawman

3) If you are referring to the 9/11 first responders, then you should know about the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, through which Democratic malfeasance and "sequestration" caused the program to go defunct in 2012. As of last year it hasn't been reinstated, leaving all of those families and volunteers out in the cold. I haven't heard one peep from Hillary Clinton on the matter.

She was out of office by then and can't be blamed for how others handled it. Point is - she did the right thing and pushed for it.

4) That bill you are referring to, The Homeland Security Block Grant bill (S.2038) did not pass committee. She introduced it to the Senate in 2002. It included direct funding, overtime, a 10 percent match, and coverage of retroactive expenses post September 11, 2001. The bill was read twice but was referred elsewhere to an obscure part of the Senate apparatus, where it died. While a valiant effort, it is not a notable accomplishment, nor did it help better America.

In my opinion, it was an accomplishment. She can't control the outcome. The fact that she fought for it matters to me.

Even though her attempt at Health Care reform ultimately failed - it did set the stage for health care reform today, something I largely support and I suspect she would continue to support if elected.

Her failure in healthcare reform is the reason we have Obamacare. If anything, it did more to harm America than help it. It has done more to divide Americans. All of this over healthcare insurance.

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I don't have an issue with Obamacare overall - some changes and tweaks yes, but in my opinion it was a step in the right direction and that is what matters to me

 

[TemplarKormac]

Then you did not read my entire post. You inserted your own interpretion negating everything I said prior. Shame on you.

I chose not to address it, because that last sentence contradicted everything you said before. Contrary to your belief, you can, in fact, not read my mind.

That has absolutely nothing to do with recognizing and treating the Gulf War Syndrom. But thanks for the strawman

Nope. Calling it a strawman means you have no rebuttal.

She was out of office by then and can't be blamed for how others handled it. Point is - she did the right thing and pushed for it.

"Doing the right thing" doesn't get someone elected this day and age, mon ami.

In my opinion, it was an accomplishment.

In your opinion, which you are always entitled to.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Then you did not read my entire post. You inserted your own interpretion negating everything I said prior. Shame on you.

Is that not what happens when you read something?

That has absolutely nothing to do with recognizing and treating the Gulf War Syndrom. But thanks for the strawman

Nope. Calling it a strawman means you have no rebuttal.

She was out of office by then and can't be blamed for how others handled it. Point is - she did the right thing and pushed for it.

"Doing the right thing" doesn't get someone elected this day and age, mon ami.

In my opinion, it was an accomplishment.

In your opinion, which you are always entitled to.

I don't have an issue with Obamacare overall - some changes and tweaks yes, but in my opinion it was a step in the right direction and that is what matters to me

I appreciate the candor. I have a serious issue with Obamacare. See, I was fined $129 for not having health insurance under Obamacare, while unemployed. My poor grandmother had to foot the penalty for me on her tax return this year. That made me furious.

That one instance is what's everything wrong with Obamacare. So, while you think this Obamacare is hunky dory, it preys on people like us who live just barely above the poverty level. An ill thought out plan which never took into account people such as myself who have no income, yet wishes fine me for money I don't have.

I'm still angry about it.

Bullshyte!

Thou lyest out of thy ass. Return thy armour to be melted into cookware and feed thy horse to the feral cats.

You ******* dishonest hack.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I don't have an issue with Obamacare overall - some changes and tweaks yes, but in my opinion it was a step in the right direction and that is what matters to me

I appreciate the candor. I have a serious issue with Obamacare. See, I was fined $129 for not having health insurance under Obamacare, while unemployed. My poor grandmother had to foot the penalty for me on her tax return this year. That made me furious.

That one instance is what's everything wrong with Obamacare, however. So, while you think this Obamacare is hunky dory, it preys on people like us who live just barely above the poverty level. It was an ill thought out plan which never took into account people such as myself who have no income, yet proceeds to fine me for money I don't have and money my grandmother can ill afford to part with. Democrats claim they are for the poor, but watch as their policies eat them alive.

I'm still angry about it.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I don't have an issue with Obamacare overall - some changes and tweaks yes, but in my opinion it was a step in the right direction and that is what matters to me

I appreciate the candor. I have a serious issue with Obamacare. See, I was fined $129 for not having health insurance under Obamacare, while unemployed. My poor grandmother had to foot the penalty for me on her tax return this year. That made me furious.

That one instance is what's everything wrong with Obamacare. So, while you think this Obamacare is hunky dory, it preys on people like us who live just barely above the poverty level. An ill thought out plan which never took into account people such as myself who have no income, yet proceeds to fine me for money I don't have and money my grandmother can ill afford to part with. Democrats claim they are for the poor, but watch as their policies eat them alive.

I'm still angry about it.

Edited.....and still bullshit.

 

[Coyote]

Then you did not read my entire post. You inserted your own interpretion negating everything I said prior. Shame on you.

Is that not what happens when you read something?

Not to the extent you are doing by ignoring 3/4 of what I posted and focusing on one sentance.

That has absolutely nothing to do with recognizing and treating the Gulf War Syndrom. But thanks for the strawman

Nope. Calling it a strawman means you have no rebuttal.

Nope. Calling it a strawman means exactly that. No one claimed Hillary set out to "fix the VA" or anything remotely like that. She addressed a specific problem that had been ignored - the recognition of the Gulf War Syndrome as a real illness needing treatment by the VA. You somehow morphed it into an expectation that the entire VA system should have been fixed.

She was out of office by then and can't be blamed for how others handled it. Point is - she did the right thing and pushed for it.

"Doing the right thing" doesn't get someone elected this day and age, mon ami.

Yes..it does. Look at all the empty nonsense votes that go on - for example the (I've lost count) many empty votes to repeal Obamacare all for the purpose of getting re-elected when that time comes. Fruitless, but they did it. At least Hillary's was not an empty gesture to look good on the books.

In my opinion, it was an accomplishment.

In your opinion, which you are always entitled to.

Of course. This is all about opinion, n'est pas?

I don't have an issue with Obamacare overall - some changes and tweaks yes, but in my opinion it was a step in the right direction and that is what matters to me

I appreciate the candor. I have a serious issue with Obamacare. See, I was fined $129 for not having health insurance under Obamacare, while unemployed. My poor grandmother had to foot the penalty for me on her tax return this year. That made me furious.

That one instance is what's everything wrong with Obamacare. So, while you think this Obamacare is hunky dory, it preys on people like us who live just barely above the poverty level. An ill thought out plan which never took into account people such as myself who have no income, yet proceeds to fine me for money I don't have and money my grandmother can ill afford to part with.

I'm still angry about it.

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I can understand your anger...but on the other hand, I know people who now have health insurance who could not afford it before.

When I was younger - I was pretty much screwed health insurance-wise as my employer did not provide it. I couldn't begin to afford private plans - it would have cost me half of my monthly pay at least.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And before people start slinging the "get a job" meme around, I can't get one. After being put in the loony bin twice, what self respecting employer would hire me? Now, I had to go against everything I believed in to apply for SSI. Yep. I realized I had no chance at getting a job, and I now cannot get one until the proceedings are completed. Asking for assistance from this government is demoralizing to me personally.

Being fined by that selfsame government for not having health insurance only adds insult to injury. I'm glad you like Obamacare, Coyote, but I will have nothing to do with it.

 

[LoneLaugher]

And before people start slinging the "get a job" meme around, I can't get one. After being put in the loony bin twice, what self respecting employer would hire me? Now, I had to go against everything I believed in to apply for SSI. Yep. I realized I had no chance at getting a job, and I now cannot get one until the proceedings are completed. Asking for assistance from this government is demoralizing to me personally.

Being fined by that selfsame government for not having health insurance only adds insult to injury. I'm glad you like Obamacare, Coyote, but I will have nothing to do with it.

Oh My ******* God!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yes..it does.

President Obama is the epitome of

"I can do a lot of wrong and still get elected."

So, I beg to differ.

No one claimed Hillary set out to "fix the VA" or anything remotely like that.

Neither did I. But her efforts were wasted given who is responsible for assisting soldiers and veterans with Gulf War Syndrome.

Thus far, veteran suicides have skyrocketed.

U.S. military veteran suicides rise one dies every 65 minutes Reuters

I can understand your anger...but on the other hand, I know people who now have health insurance who could not afford it before.

Good for them, but they are ill aware of the harm that Obamacare causes others.

When I was younger - I was pretty much screwed health insurance-wise as my employer did not provide it. I couldn't begin to afford private plans - it would have cost me half of my monthly pay at least.

Well, when you have no income, the fines and copays put you in debt instantly. I am financially paralyzed right now.

 

[Coyote]

And before people start slinging the "get a job" meme around, I can't get one. After being put in the loony bin twice, what self respecting employer would hire me? Now, I had to go against everything I believed in to apply for SSI. Yep. I realized I had no chance at getting a job, and I now cannot get one until the proceedings are completed. Asking for assistance from this government is demoralizing to me personally.

Being fined by that selfsame government for not having health insurance only adds insult to injury. I'm glad you like Obamacare, Coyote, but I will have nothing to do with it.

Being hospitalized for a mental illness should have little bearing on employment though the reality is, who knows - is it even legal to ask a person about that? If you're capable of working (and I don't know that - some illness' leave a person pretty fragile) - then you should keep applying - for anything. I have a friend who was diagnosed schitzoaffective disorder. She did get disability. During her good times she initiated a pet sitting business as well. I think that you should be glad that we have a government that provides a decent enough safety net for people like you, my friend, my husband and my brother - all of whom suffer from debilitating problems that in other countries would render them street people or dead or addicts.

I don't know how old you are...but wouldn't you qualify for subsidized health insurance or medicare?

I don't think Obamacare is perfect - it needs fixes, but it is imo better than what we had before.

 

[LoneLaugher]

And before people start slinging the "get a job" meme around, I can't get one. After being put in the loony bin twice, what self respecting employer would hire me? Now, I had to go against everything I believed in to apply for SSI. Yep. I realized I had no chance at getting a job, and I now cannot get one until the proceedings are completed. Asking for assistance from this government is demoralizing to me personally.

Being fined by that selfsame government for not having health insurance only adds insult to injury. I'm glad you like Obamacare, Coyote, but I will have nothing to do with it.

Being hospitalized for a mental illness should have little bearing on employment though the reality is, who knows - is it even legal to ask a person about that? If you're capable of working (and I don't know that - some illness' leave a person pretty fragile) - then you should keep applying - for anything. I have a friend who was diagnosed schitzoaffective disorder. She did get disability. During her good times she initiated a pet sitting business as well. I think that you should be glad that we have a government that provides a decent enough safety net for people like you, my friend, my husband and my brother - all of whom suffer from debilitating problems that in other countries would render them street people or dead or addicts.

I don't know how old you are...but wouldn't you qualify for subsidized health insurance or medicare?

I don't think Obamacare is perfect - it needs fixes, but it is imo better than what we had before.

I'm sure that you realize that he's not being honest about the fine.....right?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

There are no servers at Chipotle. I don't tip either.

Do you tip the cashier at Burger King?
The fry cook at McDonald's?

If we're gonna nit pick let's at least not be hypocrites about it.

 

[Rocko]

There are no servers at Chipotle. I don't tip either.

Do you tip the cashier at Burger King?
The fry cook at McDonald's?

If we're gonna nit pick let's at least not be hypocrites about it.

Are you worth hundreds of millions of dollars? I think if you were it would be nice If you gave everyone a little something.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

TemplarKormac I am sorry that you apparently have medical issues.

Having said that I find your threads to be HIGHLY hypocritical. You rail against the very things you claim you are forced to take advantage of.

Now I'm no doctor but exactly why can't you hold a job as an ex patient?
As an ex con who never had a hard time finding employment I find your excuses to be rather bogus.

I mean seriously. Your grandmother had to pay your 129.00 Obamacare fine? If you are on SSI you would most likely be getting a refund. Without a job you would have no tax burden. Your "fine" would have come out of your year end "hand out"

You talk the talk son but more & more I believe you to be all talk & nothing more. You a spouse principles for others that you yourself either can't or won't live by.

That is called being a fraud in my book.