There seems to be inconsistency in how we define adulthood.

[Anomalism]

It’s strange to me that in the United States someone can enlist in the military at 17, deploy to a war zone at 18, and risk getting blown up for their country, but they can’t legally buy a beer or a pack of cigarettes until they’re 21.

We don’t let them drink or smoke because they’re too immature to make those choices. Their brains aren't developed enough for that, but we'll hand them a rifle and send them halfway around the world to fight and possibly die. We also let them vote in elections that help decide the direction of our nation. No cigarettes or beer though!

A soldier could be mortally wounded on a battlefield, but still be too young to have a final smoke. That's kind of crazy to me.

If you’re old enough to be drafted, old enough to fight, old enough to bleed for your country, you should be old enough to make those other decisions for yourself.

If the government trusts you to operate advanced weaponry, make split second life or death decisions, follow orders that could end in killing or dying, potentially be drafted against your will and also vote for who will lead the country, then it’s logically inconsistent to say you can’t decide whether to drink a beer or smoke a cigarette.

 

[Blaster]

I smoked and drank alcohol before I was 21 and never had a problem.

 

[shockedcanadian]

It’s strange to me that in the United States someone can enlist in the military at 17, deploy to a war zone at 18, and risk getting blown up for their country, but they can’t legally buy a beer or a pack of cigarettes until they’re 21.

We don’t let them drink or smoke because they’re too immature to make those choices. Their brains aren't developed enough for that, but we'll hand them a rifle and send them halfway around the world to fight and possibly die. We also let them vote in elections that help decide the direction of our nation. No cigarettes or beer though!

A soldier could be mortally wounded on a battlefield, but still be too young to have a final smoke. That's kind of crazy to me.

If you’re old enough to be drafted, old enough to fight, old enough to bleed for your country, you should be old enough to make those other decisions for yourself.

If the government trusts you to operate advanced weaponry, make split second life or death decisions, follow orders that could end in killing or dying, potentially be drafted against your will and also vote for who will lead the country, then it’s logically inconsistent to say you can’t decide whether to drink a beer or smoke a cigarette.

I agree it's messed up.

How about driving at age 16? To me this is just inviting trouble.

 

[Votto]

It’s strange to me that in the United States someone can enlist in the military at 17, deploy to a war zone at 18, and risk getting blown up for their country, but they can’t legally buy a beer or a pack of cigarettes until they’re 21.

We don’t let them drink or smoke because they’re too immature to make those choices. Their brains aren't developed enough for that, but we'll hand them a rifle and send them halfway around the world to fight and possibly die. We also let them vote in elections that help decide the direction of our nation. No cigarettes or beer though!

A soldier could be mortally wounded on a battlefield, but still be too young to have a final smoke. That's kind of crazy to me.

If you’re old enough to be drafted, old enough to fight, old enough to bleed for your country, you should be old enough to make those other decisions for yourself.

If the government trusts you to operate advanced weaponry, make split second life or death decisions, follow orders that could end in killing or dying, potentially be drafted against your will and also vote for who will lead the country, then it’s logically inconsistent to say you can’t decide whether to drink a beer or smoke a cigarette.

It is the same reason you can you allow a child who is not old enough to have sex be old enough to decide to change their sex?

The state is insane from our vantage point, but is you look deeper it is about the agenda of the state

In regard to the agenda for soldiers, they just want bodies on the battlefield who can fight to do their bidding. They care nothing about the soldier and his or her rights.

As for the children lopping off their breasts and wing wangs, the state is all about the climate cult, which means restricting population levels, so they are all for people sterilizing themselves. Not only that, but the state will also pay for it all like the do abortion.

When you look at things that way, it all starts to make sense after all.

 

[Anomalism]

It is the same reason you can you allow a child who is not old enough to have sex be old enough to decide to change their sex?

The state is insane from our vantage point, but is you look deeper it is about the agenda of the state

In regard to the agenda for soldiers, they just want bodies on the battlefield who can fight to do their bidding. They care nothing about the soldier and his or her rights.

As for the children lopping off their breasts and wing wangs, the state is all about the climate cult, which means restricting population levels, so they are all for people sterilizing themselves. Not only that, but the state will also pay for it all like the do abortion.

When you look at things that way, it all starts to make sense after all.

How many people are cutting their genitalia apart? I've never actually looked at the statistics. Is it enough that it could actually impact population levels?

 

[Anomalism]

I agree it's messed up.

How about driving at age 16? To me this is just inviting trouble.

That's not a bad addition to the inconsistency point. Much of the world doesn't let people drive that young. You can actually drive at like 15 and a half with permits I believe.

 

[Hafar1014]

It’s strange to me that in the United States someone can enlist in the military at 17, deploy to a war zone at 18, and risk getting blown up for their country, but they can’t legally buy a beer or a pack of cigarettes until they’re 21.

We don’t let them drink or smoke because they’re too immature to make those choices. Their brains aren't developed enough for that, but we'll hand them a rifle and send them halfway around the world to fight and possibly die. We also let them vote in elections that help decide the direction of our nation. No cigarettes or beer though!

A soldier could be mortally wounded on a battlefield, but still be too young to have a final smoke. That's kind of crazy to me.

If you’re old enough to be drafted, old enough to fight, old enough to bleed for your country, you should be old enough to make those other decisions for yourself.

If the government trusts you to operate advanced weaponry, make split second life or death decisions, follow orders that could end in killing or dying, potentially be drafted against your will and also vote for who will lead the country, then it’s logically inconsistent to say you can’t decide whether to drink a beer or smoke a cigarette.

You do know your point makes no sense. It doesnt follow in any rational sense that that being in the military has anything to do with smoking. The brain isnt developed until age 25 should we deny all rights until then. Your whole argument has no logic at all.
Different abilities manifest at different ages

 

[martybegan]

I smoked and drank alcohol before I was 21 and never had a problem.

So did I, but there has to be consistency.

Pick an age, and make it the total transition from being a minor to being an adult.

 

[Anomalism]

You do know your point makes no sense. It doesnt follow in any rational sense that that being in the military has anything to do with smoking. The brain isnt developed until age 25 should we deny all rights until then. Your whole argument has no logic at all.
Different abilities manifest at different ages

Do you think smoking a cigarette is a more grown up decision than joining the military?

 

[Hafar1014]

Do you think smoking a cigarette is a more grown up decision than joining the military?

Its not relevant in any way but addition should reason into to put a person in the military. They fail the intelligence test

 

[Hafar1014]

So did I, but there has to be consistency.

Pick an age, and make it the total transition from being a minor to being an adult.

If we use neuropsychology it would be 25 when the brain is finished developing. There actually is no total transition.

 

[Blaster]

So did I, but there has to be consistency.

Pick an age, and make it the total transition from being a minor to being an adult.

I also banged my first woman when I was 16.

 

[Anomalism]

Its not relevant in any way but addition should reason into to put a person in the military. They fail the intelligence test

I actually have no idea what the hell you are trying to say here.

 

[martybegan]

If we use neuropsychology it would be 25 when the brain is finished developing. There actually is no total transition.

25 is too late, someone shouldn't be a minor in their 20's.

18 is a good line.

 

[martybegan]

I also banged my first woman when I was 16.

Get out the Vaseline and the crowbars, we need to get Blaster's ego through the door.

 

[Hafar1014]

25 is too late, someone shouldn't be a minor in their 20's.

18 is a good line.

18 is called the age of majority when a contract can be executed. 21 for drinking. Its actually based on development not a single age

 

[ReinyDays]

Just a small nitpick ... military drinking age is 18 except where the civilian law is higher ... most war zones have no civilian law so the OP is a moot point ... we can buy booze at 18 legally in, say, France ... where the drinking age is like 12 or 8 or something ...

A rather large number of drunk driving deaths are caused by drunk boys under the age of 21 ... shocking really ... and drunk girls is the cause of almost all abortions ...

Look at how bad it's been since 18-year-olds have been allowed to vote ... nothing but tax breaks for the Rich and debt debt debt debt debt debt debt debt ...

Phaw ... life begins at 40 ...

 

[martybegan]

18 is called the age of majority when a contract can be executed. 21 for drinking. Its actually based on development not a single age

21 is based on annoying prohibitionists using federal highway $$ to get their way.

 

[Hafar1014]

Just a small nitpick ... military drinking age is 18 except where the civilian law is higher ... most war zones have no civilian law so the OP is a moot point ... we can buy booze at 18 legally in, say, France ... where the drinking age is like 12 or 8 or something ...

A rather large number of drunk driving deaths are caused by drunk boys under the age of 21 ... shocking really ... and drunk girls is the cause of almost all abortions ...

Look at how bad it's been since 18-year-olds have been allowed to vote ... nothing but tax breaks for the Rich and debt debt debt debt debt debt debt debt ...

Phaw ... life begins at 40 ...

We just got a tax break for the middle class

 

[Anomalism]

Just a small nitpick ... military drinking age is 18 except where the civilian law is higher ... most war zones have no civilian law so the OP is a moot point ... we can buy booze at 18 legally in, say, France ... where the drinking age is like 12 or 8 or something ...

A rather large number of drunk driving deaths are caused by drunk boys under the age of 21 ... shocking really ... and drunk girls is the cause of almost all abortions ...

Look at how bad it's been since 18-year-olds have been allowed to vote ... nothing but tax breaks for the Rich and debt debt debt debt debt debt debt debt ...

Phaw ... life begins at 40 ...

Interesting.

Well it still seems inconsistent to me that a soldier could come back to the States a veteran and not be allowed to buy a beer or smoke a cigarette.