There seems to be inconsistency in how we define adulthood.

[ReinyDays]

We just got a tax break for the middle class

You did? ... while SS is going bankrupt? ...

Where's the break and for how much? ...

 

[Hafar1014]

Interesting.

Well it still seems inconsistent to me that a soldier could come back to the States a veteran and not be allowed to buy a beer or smoke a cigarette.

Why one thing has nothing to do with the other in any way

 

[Anomalism]

Why one thing has nothing to do with the other in any way

It's a question of maturity. I happen to think joining the military and being put in situations where you might have to kill or die for your country is a more mature decision than deciding to smoke a cigarette. Do you disagree?

 

[ReinyDays]

It's a question of maturity. I happen to think joining the military and being put in situations where you might have to kill or die for your country is a more mature decision than deciding to smoke a cigarette. Do you disagree?

Yes ... immature children are more easily trained ... anyone mature enough will understand killing is wrong ... boys only care about praise ...

 

[Hafar1014]

It's a question of maturity. I happen to think joining the military and being put in situations where you might have to kill or die for your country is a more mature decision than deciding to smoke a cigarette. Do you disagree?

Yes it has nothing to do with maturity and I repeat the prefrontal cortex hasnt fully developed. Life experience hasnt happened and judgement is still lacking

 

[Hafar1014]

Yes ... immature children are more easily trained ... anyone mature enough will understand killing is wrong ... boys only care about praise ...

Killing is not wrong murder is

 

[Anomalism]

Yes it has nothing to do with maturity and I repeat the prefrontal cortex hasnt fully developed. Life experience hasnt happened and judgement is still lacking

I think it is silly to tell a soldier that they cannot buy a cigarette or a beer while they are stateside because I think the choice to join the military was a much bigger one than the choice to smoke a cigarette or not. If you disagree with that then I guess we just disagree.

 

[Hafar1014]

I think it is silly to tell a soldier that they cannot buy a cigarette or a beer while they are stateside because I think the choice to join the military was a much bigger one than the choice to smoke a cigarette or not. If you disagree with that then I guess we just disagree.

What does bigger mean in the context of judgement and maturity. You refer to state law which reflects specific circumstances.

 

[Anomalism]

What does bigger mean in the context of judgement and maturity. You refer to state law which reflects specific circumstances.

By bigger I mean more impactful to their lives. They could join the military at 17 and be dead by 18, or be carrying the weight of having had to do very difficult and traumatizing things while in the service. If they can make that decision they should be able to make the decision to smoke a cigarette.

 

[ReinyDays]

Killing is not wrong murder is

Do we want drunk 18-year-olds making that decision? ...

 

[MayorQuimby]

It is the same reason you can you allow a child who is not old enough to have sex be old enough to decide to change their sex?

The state is insane from our vantage point, but is you look deeper it is about the agenda of the state

In regard to the agenda for soldiers, they just want bodies on the battlefield who can fight to do their bidding. They care nothing about the soldier and his or her rights.

As for the children lopping off their breasts and wing wangs, the state is all about the climate cult, which means restricting population levels, so they are all for people sterilizing themselves. Not only that, but the state will also pay for it all like the do abortion.

When you look at things that way, it all starts to make sense after all.

Truth.

How many people are cutting their genitalia apart? I've never actually looked at the statistics. Is it enough that it could actually impact population levels?

It's not about the actual impact on population levels that kids cutting off their genitalia might have. Rather, it's about the fact that such a phenomenon even exists, and is highly destructive, yet nothing is done about it, and further, people can't talk about fixing it, either. The way I see it, it is all being planned from above. There exist people at the topmost layer of government and society, who want badly to reduce the population sizes (of white people). So the kids' self-mutilation is what we see. We should focus on that those at top have such an intent, not on whether what they intend to do is working or not.

Get out the Vaseline and the crowbars, we need to get Blaster's ego through the door.

Yeah I have seen that a lot, seems that a lot of men like to brag about how early they started having sex, as proof that they are total studs. Anyway, to me, if you have sex too early, it's actually a sign of ghetto behavior.

But honestly 16 isn't too bad. I have heard someone brag about having sex at 12, which to me is almost comical. 12 is just a kid.

We just got a tax break for the middle class

But not because of the 18-year old voters.

Yes it has nothing to do with maturity and I repeat the prefrontal cortex hasnt fully developed. Life experience hasnt happened and judgement is still lacking

If your judgment is still lacking, then you shouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol/drive car, nor be able to decide whether to join the military.

Killing is not wrong murder is

But murder is what going to war and killing another human being, is.

 

[Hafar1014]

Truth.

It's not about the actual impact on population levels that kids cutting off their genitalia might have. Rather, it's about the fact that such a phenomenon even exists, and is highly destructive, yet nothing is done about it, and further, people can't talk about fixing it, either. The way I see it, it is all being planned from above. There exist people at the topmost layer of government and society, who want badly to reduce the population sizes (of white people). So the kids' self-mutilation is what we see. We should focus on that those at top have such an intent, not on whether what they intend to do is working or not.


Yeah I have seen that a lot, seems that a lot of men like to brag about how early they started having sex, as proof that they are total studs. Anyway, to me, if you have sex too early, it's actually a sign of ghetto behavior.

But honestly 16 isn't too bad. I have heard someone brag about having sex at 12, which to me is almost comical. 12 is just a kid.




But not because of the 18-year old voters.

If your judgment is still lacking, then you shouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol/drive car, nor be able to decide whether to join the military.



But murder is what going to war and killing another human being, is.

Murder is illegal killing in war is legal unless it violates the Geneva convention

 

[MayorQuimby]

Murder is illegal killing in war is legal unless it violates the Geneva convention

I don't want to get into this whole definition business but yes, you are right, technically going to war isn't "murder" in the legal sense, because it's not legally punishable. However, in a philosophical sense, it most certainly is murder. Any time a human deliberately kills another human, it's murder.

 

[SweetSue92]

It’s strange to me that in the United States someone can enlist in the military at 17, deploy to a war zone at 18, and risk getting blown up for their country, but they can’t legally buy a beer or a pack of cigarettes until they’re 21.

We don’t let them drink or smoke because they’re too immature to make those choices. Their brains aren't developed enough for that, but we'll hand them a rifle and send them halfway around the world to fight and possibly die. We also let them vote in elections that help decide the direction of our nation. No cigarettes or beer though!

A soldier could be mortally wounded on a battlefield, but still be too young to have a final smoke. That's kind of crazy to me.

If you’re old enough to be drafted, old enough to fight, old enough to bleed for your country, you should be old enough to make those other decisions for yourself.

If the government trusts you to operate advanced weaponry, make split second life or death decisions, follow orders that could end in killing or dying, potentially be drafted against your will and also vote for who will lead the country, then it’s logically inconsistent to say you can’t decide whether to drink a beer or smoke a cigarette.

I have disliked this policy for years and find it sickly inconsistent. We have the latest drinking age around. And we wonder why we find young people immature....we treat them as if they are.

 

[Hafar1014]

I don't want to get into this whole definition business but yes, you are right, technically going to war isn't "murder" in the legal sense, because it's not legally punishable. However, in a philosophical sense, it most certainly is murder. Any time a human deliberately kills another human, it's murder.

So was it morally wrong to kill to stop Hitler and Japanese Imperialism?
How about an act of self defense? The law as old as the Ten Commandments makes the distinction between murder and moral killing.

It isnt murder to defend yourself loved ones or an innocent person.
Hypothetically you would not murder to defend yourself. Thats called suicide.
Also you would not murder to defend an innocent person you would allow it to happen which makes you as guilty as the one who commits the act.
Moral judgement isnt your strong point

 

[MayorQuimby]

So was it morally wrong to kill to stop Hitler and Japanese Imperialism?

We are not talking about whether such acts are wrong. We are talking about whether they are murder, and yes, they are.

How about an act of self defense? The law as old as the Ten Commandments makes the distinction between murder and moral killing.

Again, a true act of self-defense is not punishable by law, however, in a very strict, technical sense, it is still murder. It is just a form of murder that we as society consider OK to commit.

Moral judgement isnt your strong point

Tears like this tell me you 1. are emotionally invested; and 2. I am winning.

 

[Hafar1014]

We are not talking about whether such acts are wrong. We are talking about whether they are murder, and yes, they are.




Again, a true act of self-defense is not punishable by law, however, in a very strict, technical sense, it is still murder. It is just a form of murder that we as society consider OK to commit.




Tears like this tell me you 1. are emotionally invested; and 2. I am winning.

You must add context as murder is unlawful killing
We are absolutely talking about right and wrong. Murder is illegal and immoral thats fact of law and basic intelligence. Thats why we make distinctions otherwise we couldnt enforce laws. This is elementary stuff.

 

[MayorQuimby]

You must add context as murder is unlawful killing

Like I said, I am not arguing in the legal sense. I know that things like self-defense...etc is lawful killing.

We are absolutely talking about right and wrong.

No. We are talking about what the definition of murder is. You are using the legal definition, and I am saying I want to use a different one.

Murder is illegal and immoral thats fact of law and basic intelligence. Thats why we make distinctions otherwise we couldnt enforce laws.

Again, nothing to do with laws. I am talking in a purely philosophical sense.

This is elementary stuff.

Keep the tears coming.

 

[Anomalism]

You must add context as murder is unlawful killing
We are absolutely talking about right and wrong. Murder is illegal and immoral thats fact of law and basic intelligence. Thats why we make distinctions otherwise we couldnt enforce laws. This is elementary stuff.

I don't know why he won't say it directly but he seems to be implying that murder is sometimes justified and acceptable.

 

[MayorQuimby]

I don't know why he won't say it directly but he seems to be implying that murder is sometimes justified and acceptable.

Who, me? Nah. I just want to argue about the definition of murder. I don't care about all that morality stuff, as everyone has their own idea of what's acceptable/right or wrong..etc.