Poland's been a good ally to the U.S. they've earned and deserve our respect
Yea I know that. But this Polish asshole hates America.
What's to like?
A multicultural, Zionist war mongering nation?
We got muscle cars.
There Isn't Going To Be A War With Iran -- Relax & Calm Down
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We got muscle cars.
SobieskiSavedEurope
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The #1 bad guys are China, Russia, The USA & Saudis.
Iran isn't going to war with us, they would get crushed in a head to head conflict.
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For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The US has been bullying (action) the ME since 1953-
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953,[5] orchestrated by the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project[6] or "Operation Ajax") and the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot").[7][8][9][10] It was the first covert action of the United States to overthrow a foreign government during peacetime.[11]
Mosaddegh had sought to audit the documents of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now part of BP) and to limit the company's control over Iranian oil reserves.[12] Upon the refusal of the AIOC to co-operate with the Iranian government, the parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize Iran's oil industry and to expel foreign corporate representatives from the country.[13][14][15] After this vote, Britain instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[16] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the British-built Abadan oil refinery, then the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[17] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[18]:3 Judging Mosaddegh to be unreliable and fearing a Communist takeover in Iran, UK prime minister Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government, though the predecessor Truman administration had opposed a coup, fearing the precedent that Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) involvement would set.[18]:3 British intelligence officials' conclusions and the UK government's solicitations were instrumental in initiating and planning the coup, despite the fact that the U.S. government in 1952 had been considering unilateral action (without UK support) to assist the Mosaddegh government.[19][20][21]
Following the coup in 1953, a government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king),[22] to rule more firmly as monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power.[13][14][15][23] According to the CIA's declassified documents and records, some of the most feared mobsters in Tehran were hired by the CIA to stage pro-Shah riots on 19 August.[24] Other CIA-paid men were brought into Tehran in buses and trucks, and took over the streets of the city.[25] Between 200[3] and 300[4] people were killed because of the conflict. Mosaddegh was arrested, tried and convicted of treason by the Shah's military court. On 21 December 1953, he was sentenced to three years in jail, then placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life.[26][27][28] Other Mosaddegh supporters were imprisoned, and several received the death penalty.[15] After the coup, the Shah continued his rule as monarch for the next 26 years[14][15] until he was overthrown in the Iranian Revolution in 1979.[14][15][18]
In August 2013, sixty years afterward, the U.S. government formally acknowledged the U.S. role in the coup by releasing a bulk of previously classified government documents that show it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[29][30][31] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government
1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia
The reaction? Only time will tell. It will be equal.
I find it disturbing when people say Iran is *our* enemy. The US gov't is the Iranian govt's enemy- and for good reason.(see above)
I'm not the US gov't. Not all Iranians are Iranian gov't. Why are they "our" enemy? What have "they" done to "we the people"?
I was born in 1947- I had nothing to do with what the CIA did in 1953. I'm 72 now I had nothing to do with what's happening in the ME now, or then. Why is Iran "my" enemy?
Answer to why Iran is my enemy: Because the US gov't fucks *everything* up regularly. It is what it does just like most bully's. The US gov't wants "we the people" to bear the burden of its fuck ups and rally round the flag to "bring us together", put aside our political Party animosities and all hail the mighty chief, who is nothing more than a figure head with superficial clout. We must ignore the growing debt, the intervention in sovereign nations, the immoral acts perpetrated here daily, put on our red, white and blue blinders while spouting bumper sticker slogans, e.g.,Liberty and Justice for all, which couldn't be further from the truth if a script was written proclaiming it- "we the people" are nothing more than tools to those who believe they are better and smarter than anyone who ever walked-
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953,[5] orchestrated by the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project[6] or "Operation Ajax") and the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot").[7][8][9][10] It was the first covert action of the United States to overthrow a foreign government during peacetime.[11]
Mosaddegh had sought to audit the documents of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now part of BP) and to limit the company's control over Iranian oil reserves.[12] Upon the refusal of the AIOC to co-operate with the Iranian government, the parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize Iran's oil industry and to expel foreign corporate representatives from the country.[13][14][15] After this vote, Britain instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[16] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the British-built Abadan oil refinery, then the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[17] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[18]:3 Judging Mosaddegh to be unreliable and fearing a Communist takeover in Iran, UK prime minister Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government, though the predecessor Truman administration had opposed a coup, fearing the precedent that Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) involvement would set.[18]:3 British intelligence officials' conclusions and the UK government's solicitations were instrumental in initiating and planning the coup, despite the fact that the U.S. government in 1952 had been considering unilateral action (without UK support) to assist the Mosaddegh government.[19][20][21]
Following the coup in 1953, a government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king),[22] to rule more firmly as monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power.[13][14][15][23] According to the CIA's declassified documents and records, some of the most feared mobsters in Tehran were hired by the CIA to stage pro-Shah riots on 19 August.[24] Other CIA-paid men were brought into Tehran in buses and trucks, and took over the streets of the city.[25] Between 200[3] and 300[4] people were killed because of the conflict. Mosaddegh was arrested, tried and convicted of treason by the Shah's military court. On 21 December 1953, he was sentenced to three years in jail, then placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life.[26][27][28] Other Mosaddegh supporters were imprisoned, and several received the death penalty.[15] After the coup, the Shah continued his rule as monarch for the next 26 years[14][15] until he was overthrown in the Iranian Revolution in 1979.[14][15][18]
In August 2013, sixty years afterward, the U.S. government formally acknowledged the U.S. role in the coup by releasing a bulk of previously classified government documents that show it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[29][30][31] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government
1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia
The reaction? Only time will tell. It will be equal.
I find it disturbing when people say Iran is *our* enemy. The US gov't is the Iranian govt's enemy- and for good reason.(see above)
I'm not the US gov't. Not all Iranians are Iranian gov't. Why are they "our" enemy? What have "they" done to "we the people"?
I was born in 1947- I had nothing to do with what the CIA did in 1953. I'm 72 now I had nothing to do with what's happening in the ME now, or then. Why is Iran "my" enemy?
Answer to why Iran is my enemy: Because the US gov't fucks *everything* up regularly. It is what it does just like most bully's. The US gov't wants "we the people" to bear the burden of its fuck ups and rally round the flag to "bring us together", put aside our political Party animosities and all hail the mighty chief, who is nothing more than a figure head with superficial clout. We must ignore the growing debt, the intervention in sovereign nations, the immoral acts perpetrated here daily, put on our red, white and blue blinders while spouting bumper sticker slogans, e.g.,Liberty and Justice for all, which couldn't be further from the truth if a script was written proclaiming it- "we the people" are nothing more than tools to those who believe they are better and smarter than anyone who ever walked-
Likkmee
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You mean like Korea, Vietnam,Afghanistan, Iraq(insert other "shitholes" here). Ok I agree
DrLove
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NOBODY has been trying to take him out for 20 years. He walked around the front lines and traveled a 6 country area on the front lines openly, and personally unarmed. I've now heard 5 generals say that not only the US, but Israel and others have had the opportunity to take him out and passed on it because they understood the consequences.
Why? He was a legend to many. By all accounts he was the 2nd most powerful man in Iran. That'd be like if they dropped a dime on Pence, Pelosi, or Pompeo. Of course there is no analogy for that because Pence, Pelosi and Pompeo aren't Soleimani. The man was brilliant but pure evil. But there WILL BE devastating consequences and we may well be mission creeping our way into a hot war.
We also put Israel and several other countries at risk (did we consult with them? NO) - not to mention our diplomats worldwide, our troops, and even American citizens on our soil. And what's the strategy here? I promise, there IS no strategy. Just Trump flying by the seat of his pants - AGAIN. And NONE of this would have happened if we hadn't pulled out of the nuke deal because you know ... Obama done it!
So no - Sorry, but I'm not about to "relax". And neither should anyone else. Is Trump wagging the dog to assist with his election prospects? Is he distracting us from his impeachment?? These things are entirely possible. And how freaking ironic considering all the times Donnie accused Obama of the same.
Observe:
Years before his all-caps Twitter threat, Trump used to accuse Obama of looking to start a war with Iran
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Biff_Poindexter
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Here is an interesting tid-bit I seen on Twitter...
State Dept issues an evacuation of all US citizens in Iraq..
Then this....
It does raise an interesting question....what if Americans are skeptical about using the same airport we just bombed....what if the best way out is thru Kurdistan....
Do you think the Kurds are still touchy about us leaving them out to dry on that whole Turkey-Syria thing?? Hopefully Kurds can get over it and help us out if needed...
#MAGA
State Dept issues an evacuation of all US citizens in Iraq..
Then this....
It does raise an interesting question....what if Americans are skeptical about using the same airport we just bombed....what if the best way out is thru Kurdistan....
Do you think the Kurds are still touchy about us leaving them out to dry on that whole Turkey-Syria thing?? Hopefully Kurds can get over it and help us out if needed...
#MAGA
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I support our Presidents response to the attack on our embassy
It sends a message that we can get you wherever you are.
What bothers me is the escalation of tension with Iran. Obama and the Western Powers had reached a settlement with Iran that relieved political tension and brought Iran towards the center
Trump trashed that agreement and provoked Iran. We will have to see where we end up......but it doesn’t look promising
It sends a message that we can get you wherever you are.
What bothers me is the escalation of tension with Iran. Obama and the Western Powers had reached a settlement with Iran that relieved political tension and brought Iran towards the center
Trump trashed that agreement and provoked Iran. We will have to see where we end up......but it doesn’t look promising
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Think about this. Our whole Middle Easy policy is being run by a POTUS with an attention span of an 8 year old, who needs pictures in his briefing materials , who hasn't read a book in forty years, proudly says he makes decisions based on his "gut" (read "dick" instead for accuracy) and has the curiosity of a dead cat. God help us all.
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I agree. There was and is not strategy. He simply talked to DOD when the embassy attack happened. They gave assessment of who was responsible for organizing protest and attack, gave human intelligence that Soleimani had been seen on the ground in the city where the attack happened (which clearly puts him in the wrong, it's not like Baghdad is a vacation mecca or iranian generals to walk around in civies) they breifed options of response to attack, and guess what, soleimani be came #1 target of opportunity. Bang. The General was a conceited @sshole, to think he could walk around the battlefield of a proxy war with the United States safe in his civilian clothes. Just turned on the news. These idiots sound worried. This is how non-linear (asymmetric) warfare works. They will hit back in coming weeks, but they have been making hits on our forces and allies (if you can call them that) for close to two years. Hopefully we will return another gesture of our disdain for their actions in kind or harder. It is how this works. If a target can be seen, it can be destroyed. There is no consistent effective defense on either side. At this point, there is no strategy. I do not think Trump is capable to envision a strategy. I do hope he is listening to the correct military advisors and selects the correct options, but no matter how much I approve of this latest tactic of reprisal, it is only a tactic. He needs a strategy and Jared's peace plan is not part of it. As I have said before, it is time for armature hour to be over.
Biff_Poindexter
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I wouldn't say he runs the whole middle east policy....
I believe he paid attention to one of the briefings where he was told that Qassem was available to be taken out....Trump was having a bad day at the golf course, so he decided a drone strike would cheer him up....
He won't pay attention to another briefing for at least 3 or 4 more months if it doesn't involve him being able to drone strike someone
Frankeneinstein
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"What we have here is a failure to communicate"Poland's been a good ally to the U.S. they've earned and deserve our respect
What respect has been given?
Calling them dumb Polaks, blaming them for the Holocaust & thinking they owe Jews reparations?
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I was referring to the respect for trump being offered up
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It may not be a combative war, but don't think for one ioda second, the Iranians don't have plans for this country and it may occur cyberly, since we're completely numb to those types of attacks, but one thing about Muslims...they keep score. While the rest of us are exposed to whatever, the Nut in Chief, , this draft dodging bitch....is tucked and guarded by our tax dollars for the remainder of his life, as is his fuckin family. Just another gotdamn example of fuckin conservatives starting more shit for some dumb as democrat to fix and sons and daughters to fight.
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LOL, I just noticed that in between the time I opened the above article on my computer this morning, and the time I posted the link here, the article title was changed. However since the URL is set (and could only be "changed" by forcing a redirect to another URL) you can see what it originally was (circled below) and what it was changed to 3 hours ago. CNBC probably got excoriated by their partisan readers and friends in the Dem bureaucracy, who logged on for their daily Trump bashing with the morning coffee only to see a headline giving Trump props for doing something favorable, so they quickly edited it to avoid any further nasty-grams.
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Anybody thinking Trump is some fuckin hero, with his tweeting draft dodging ass, is being conned. This clown, this joke of a man, will do just about anything to deflect from the headlines, even placing this country in prospective peril. Will Iran drop a nuke, will they plan an attack from within, partner with Putin and China, nobody knows...but don't think for a second, this deflective move on Trumps part is gonna end peacefully.
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Cute cartoon...
Only not only were the centrifuges destroyed and verified but stockpiles of enriched uranium were surrendered
It is Trump who is allowing Iran to restart their nuclear program
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Gotta love all these Trump supporters, not in uniform rallying for a man who we all know is dangerous and ill equipt to handle this self made crisis, that he is notorious for creating. You nuts will rule the day, you stood ignorant to a clown.
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Not just Iran, but all nations around the globe are becoming equipt to defend themselves via Nuclear arms.Cute cartoon...
Only not only were the centrifuges destroyed and verified but stockpiles of enriched uranium were surrendered
It is Trump who is allowing Iran to restart their nuclear program
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