CDZ There are TWO Genders: Change My Mind

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Biologically yes
Sexuality is more complicated
Another goalpost move. Yes, sexuality is different, straights and homosexuality.

Care to share a third gender with us?
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Ones biology does not always match your sexuality
Trying to limit sexuality to just two distinct genders is not the way humans work
Look, if you're a male and you like getting sodomized, it only changes your "gender" in special units of prisons.
 

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Biologically yes
Sexuality is more complicated
Another goalpost move. Yes, sexuality is different, straights and homosexuality.

Care to share a third gender with us?
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Ones biology does not always match your sexuality
Trying to limit sexuality to just two distinct genders is not the way humans work
Thread isn’t about sexuality, we are all well aware of the many types of sexual deviancy that exist.

Stay on topic.

Is there a third gender or not?
Ones sex is based on biology. One can be male, female or a combo of both. Ones Gender is based on social constructs. Traditionally there have been two genders male and female. In recent years people have been expressing themselves with more openness and honesty so more variations are coming out. It is not a threat don’t freak out. It doesn’t need to be a bad thing, it’s just evolution. The most common non traditional gender is non-binary
 

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Bathrooms are based off biology. Forcing schools to let young males shower with young females, is not only authoritarian, it ignores science.
Korea has communal bathrooms.
A friend of mine said he was in Pusan taking a shit and a Korean woman spatted next to him and struck up a conversation.
Social constructs historically have been more open in Asia. However, the public bathing facilities were usually separated by gender.
 

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Here are two schools of thought to think about.

The biological approach suggests there is no distinction between sex & gender, thus biological sex creates gendered behavior. Gender is determined by two biological factors: hormones and chromosomes.


The biosocial approach (Money & Ehrhardt, 1972) is an interactionist approach where by nature and nurture both play a role in gender development.

John Money’s (1972) theory was that once a biological male or female is born, social labeling and differential treatment of boys and girls interact with biological factors to steer development. This theory was an attempt to integrate the influences of nature and nurture.
 
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Gender is nothing more than a social construct.
Based entirely off biological sex.
Gender is based more off of cultural differences and such between the 2 sexes.
The term gets misused. A lot.
Are you claiming there are more than two genders? If not, I don’t see the point.
There can be as many as your imagination can come up. Its a construct. A never ending one.
There are 2 sexes. Its 100% fact. Good luck proving there are a limited number of things in a construct.
Dont get me wrong, i think the whole ordeal is stupid and narcissistic. I laugh at them all the time.
As I stated, people are free to believe what they want, and act however they want. It does not change the fact that their sex hasn’t changed, and that the rest of society is going treat them as that “traditional” gender.

These trans activists are demanding that we see them differently. The vast majority assign gender with the sex. They expect us to throw away a billion years of evolution and accept their made up, warped fantasy.
 

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It does not change the fact that their sex hasn’t changed, and that the rest of society is going treat them as that “traditional” gender.
Society can treat them how they want to be treated regardless of how outraged Conservatives may be
 
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It does not change the fact that their sex hasn’t changed, and that the rest of society is going treat them as that “traditional” gender.
Society can treat them how they want to be treated regardless of how outraged Conservatives may be
Yes we could do that, and that leads to men competing in women’s sports, having men in women’s locker rooms, barracks, and bathrooms.
 

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It does not change the fact that their sex hasn’t changed, and that the rest of society is going treat them as that “traditional” gender.
Society can treat them how they want to be treated regardless of how outraged Conservatives may be
Yes we could do that, and that leads to men competing in women’s sports, having men in women’s locker rooms, barracks, and bathrooms.
Like this
When transgender fighter Fallon Fox broke her opponent's skull in MMA fight (sportskeeda.com)
 

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It does not change the fact that their sex hasn’t changed, and that the rest of society is going treat them as that “traditional” gender.
Society can treat them how they want to be treated regardless of how outraged Conservatives may be
Yes we could do that, and that leads to men competing in women’s sports, having men in women’s locker rooms, barracks, and bathrooms.
People gotta pee somewhere
 

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I often encounter the term transgender on this forum, but have never met the term transsexual. Do they mean the same now in the US? I mean, proposed by some people access to bathrooms and women sport should be allowed to the transsexuals only or the transgenders should be allowed too?
 

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Conservatives are so simplistic
Boys/Girls.

The idea that humans have always had different sexualities is offensive to them.
They fought for generations against the idea of homosexuality.
They lost.

Now they have picked up the fight against transgenders
 

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Seriously, the hysteria of the left right now is absolutely insane.

Okay, we know of the two biological sexes, male and female. While there are genetic disorders that give people traits of both, those genetic disorders are extremely rare, and even when they do happen the person exhibits the traits of one sex much more predominantly than the other. The idea of a “hermaphrodite” is almost a myth, there really is no genetic disorder that allows for fully functional sex organs of both sexes. Besides, according to these “trans” advocates, gender is different than biological sex.

So we aren’t talking about people with some rare genetic disorder, as some have now started to move the goalposts and have been bringing them up. This is about “gender”.

These trans activists are claiming that a male can “be a woman” just by self identifying as one. Sure, they have the right to self identify all they want, but that doesn’t make their fantasy a reality, nor does or should society have to accept it.

For example, a male that pretends to be a female is still a man. He’s a cross dressing man.

A male that undergoes some “sex change” surgery is still a man and a male. His chromosomes do not change, they are still XY.

Same of course goes with females pretending to be men. Their biological sex does not change, so neither does their gender.


For those screaming in horror about the simple statement “there are TWO genders, men and women”, what are the other genders? Please provide specific examples.

This is Clean Debate Zone. Please keep the childish insults to yourself, and provide a clear and concise response.
Does it matter?

Sure, biologically there are two strictly biological genders. XX and XY

Oh wait...there is also XXY and XYY...that messes things up a bit but those are abnormalities...still, they are people.

There are also people who, from childhood, have strongly identified as the opposite gender. And it doesn't change as they grow up. Nor is it confined to any one culture. Almost every culture has recognized a "third gender"...transgender people. And they haven't always been hated (like...it seems our culture does sadly). Indian culture has a specific name for them: Kinnar or Hijra. Native American cultures recognized as many as five genders. So...this isn't anything new. Maybe gender is more than just strict biology.

In the end though - why does it and should it matter? Why do people have a problem seeing those who exist outside the XX and XY binary as being people?
 

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In the end though - why does it and should it matter? Why do people have a problem seeing those who exist outside the XX and XY binary as being people?
Why does it matter so much to the left that many people only recognize two genders? Why is it so triggering?

All of you are still tap dancing, people “identifying” as something else still doesn’t change their actual gender.
 
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Conservatives are so simplistic
Boys/Girls.

The idea that humans have always had different sexualities is offensive to them.
They fought for generations against the idea of homosexuality.
They lost.

Now they have picked up the fight against transgenders
Still avoiding the question. Sexuality has nothing to do with it.

You say we’re simplistic for saying “boys/girls”, yet you failed to name another gender.
 

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