The World Ignored Hitler's Threats, Too

[Adam's Apple]

From Hitler to Hamas
By Suzanne Fields for Jewish World Review
Feb. 6, 2006

For years Mein Kampf stood as proof of the blindness and complacency of the world. For in its pages Hitler announced — long before he came to power — a program of blood and terror in a self-revelation of such overwhelming frankness that few among its readers had the courage to believe it. — Konrad Heiden, Introduction to "Mein Kampf"

It's impossible to read these chilling words without drawing analogies to Hamas. The organization says loud and clear that it wants to rub Israel from the map, and voices across the political spectrum tell us to relax, take it easy, we shouldn't necessarily believe they really intend to do what they say they will. Besides, even if they meant it, now that an election has put them in power, they will finally behave themselves.

Like Hitler and those who followed him, Hamas thrives on humiliation and blames others for its failures. Hamas understands that Muslims in the rest of the world have done almost nothing to alleviate their situation, but they blame the Jews, anyway. They keep it simple.

Hitler and his followers knew well the vulnerabilities of the Weimar Republic, and exploited its weakness. Hamas understands the weakness of Fatah. With all of the big talk about taking care of domestic issues — better schools, better health care, better public services — Hamas wouldn't give up the guns before the election, and Fatah couldn't, or wouldn't, take them. The rest of the world cheerfully agreed that everyone could wait until after the election to see to that.

Outsiders have advantages. Of the major non-Marxist parties in Germany in the 1930s, only the Nazis had never held power, so they couldn't be blamed for the inflation, the shortages, the unemployment, the misery in Germany. The Nazis were free to promise everything because, being out of power, they didn't have to deliver anything. Hatred was enough — hatred of the Jews, the communists and above all the Weimar Republic.

for full article:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/fields020606.asp

 

[Annie]

Nothing new, they've been fascists a long time. I wonder why that hasn't been taught even in college?:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16533

http://radio.weblogs.com/0109398/stories/2002/06/13/When Hitler Became.html

 

[archangel]

when those fail to read....During WWII Hitlers Third Reich cozied up to Islam in order to gain the benefit of the ME Oil Reserves for their war machine...There was a mutual interest by Nazi Germany and Islam to irradicate the Jewish faith and it's people...After the conclusion of the defeat,Hitlers most senior party and military members fled to Argentina and Venezuela...and now we are seeing problems in both the Middle East and South American Nations who are for a fact supporters of the Third Reich reborn!

 

[Adam's Apple]

Nothing new,..

You're right, Kathianne. Nothing new, but the world is again ignoring Hamas' very clear message of its intentions, just like they ignored Hitler's very clear message of his intentions in Mein Kampf. If Western civilization chooses not to learn from its past mistakes, it does so at its own peril.

 

[Annie]

You're right, Kathianne. Nothing new, but the world is again ignoring Hamas' very clear message of its intentions, just like they ignored Hitler's very clear message of his intentions in Mein Kampf. If Western civilization chooses not to learn from its past mistakes, it does so at its own peril.

I know, it's scary and depressing to watch.

 

[Adam's Apple]

Thought you might like to read this article by Thomas Sowell (if you haven't already done so), wherein he touches on this subject of choosing to take radical Islam's threats lightly rather than assessing them as the imminent danger to the world that they are. I liked his remarks about the NSA spying case.

February 7, 2006
Point of No Return
By Thomas Sowell

Looking back at the history of tragic times often reveals that many -- or most -- of the people of those times were often preoccupied with things that look trivial, or even pathetic, in view of the catastrophe looming over them. Will later generations looking back at our times see a similar blindness, and even frivolousness, in the face of mortal dangers?

Terrorists and terrorist governments are giving us almost daily evidence of their fanatical hatred and violent sadism, as the clock ticks away toward their gaining possession of nuclear weapons. They not only hold a harmless young woman hostage in Iraq, they parade her in tears on television, just as they have paraded not only the terrorizing, but even the beheading, of others on television.

Moreover, there is a large and gleeful audience in the Arab world for these gross brutalities, just as there was glee and cheering among the Palestinians when the televised destruction of the World Trade center was broadcast in the Middle East.

Yet what are we preoccupied with or outraged about? Whether the American government should intercept the phone calls of these cutthroats to people in the United States.

That question has been sanitized in the mainstream media by asking whether the government should be engaged in "domestic wiretapping," just as the terrorists themselves have been sanitized into "militants" or "insurgents."

The way the question is posed by many in the media and in politics, you would think our intelligence agencies were listening in on you talking on the phone to your aunt Mabel.

Be serious! There are more than a quarter of a billion people in the United States. Intelligence agencies have neither the manpower, the time, the money, nor the interest to listen in on you and your aunt Mabel.

for full article:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-2_7_06_TS.html

 

[Harmageddon]

Yeah.

The Germans thought nothing wrong of their domestic spying program either, that Hitler needed to have in place to combat the Jewish infiltration of society.

No worries people, we're not listening in to your senseless babble on the telephone, just call this number and tell us if you have seen or suspect to have seen a Jew. We will investigate further using purely legal means.
Of course, we write the law, so what those means are are up to us.

Sounds familiar?

Oh, and by the way.

The German population told the world, when faced with the atrocities committed in their name by their government: "we didn't know, we didn't know it was that bad. They never told us."

You have been warned.

 

[Adam's Apple]

If it makes you feel better, exaggerate all you want about the ramifications of the spy program in times of war; but if al Quada is making contacts in the U.S., I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT, and I want to know who those contacts are.

Is the liberals' fear based on the fact that maybe one or more of the radical leftists will get caught aiding and abetting the enemy through this program? If that program had been in effect when the Oklahoma City bombing occurred, for example, would McVeigh and his Arab cohorts have been discovered prior to the event? I think the chances would have been excellent.

The majority of Americans do not aid and abet the enemy, so they have no fear of the spy program. It's people who prefer to call the terrorists "insurrgents", "freedom fighters," "revolutionaries," etc. that do not like this program and want it discontinued. So far the MSM and those fighting against the NSA spy program have not been able to give one concrete example of the spy program spying on ordinary American citizens. To make a believable case, shouldn't you first obtain more concrete evidence to use than just scare tactics???

 

[CSM]

Yeah.

The Germans thought nothing wrong of their domestic spying program either, that Hitler needed to have in place to combat the Jewish infiltration of society.

No worries people, we're not listening in to your senseless babble on the telephone, just call this number and tell us if you have seen or suspect to have seen a Jew. We will investigate further using purely legal means.
Of course, we write the law, so what those means are are up to us.

Sounds familiar?

Oh, and by the way.

The German population told the world, when faced with the atrocities committed in their name by their government: "we didn't know, we didn't know it was that bad. They never told us."

You have been warned.

Europe thought appeasement of Hitler and his ilk would work. They negotiated a peace. It worked so well that all of Europe went up in flames and even England was on the verge of collapse.

Appeasement doesn't work....you have been warned!

 

[Harmageddon]

Originally posted by Adam’s Apple:
The majority of Americans do not aid and abet the enemy, so they have no fear of the spy program. It's people who prefer to call the terrorists "insurrgents", "freedom fighters," "revolutionaries," etc. that do not like this program and want it discontinued. So far the MSM and those fighting against the NSA spy program have not been able to give one concrete example of the spy program spying on ordinary American citizens. To make a believable case, shouldn't you first obtain more concrete evidence to use than just scare tactics???

People who prefer to call the terrorist’s “insurgents”, or “freedom fighters”, “revolutionaries”, or “Islamo-fascists”, are the people of your government. It is the propaganda spinners, like Karl Rove, that come up with this rhetoric. Why? Because it dehumanizes the enemy, thus it is lifting the ethical boundaries that stand in the way of war. The labeling seems to change on a daily basis, thus speeding up the process.
Don’t be fooled, it’s all the same dribble slammed in a new package.

The mainstream media is in the hands of Rupert Murdoch and their ilk, a.k.a. the top 1% income that is favored the most by your president’s tax cuts. Do you honestly believe they offer an opposing view to the course of your president, with respect to his policies? They won’t, because that would interfere with profits.

Sure, Hamas is known to be a radical organization, but do they have the financial, political or infrastructural means to start conquering the world and rule us all? They have not even the means to escape the hell hole that is their everyday lives. To compare them to Hitler’s rise in Germany in the 1930s is just ludicrous at best. Where is the evidence of their battalions of high-tech tanks and armored vehicles, where is the evidence of their massive air force, or for that matter, an infrastructure that supports all this?

Originally posted by CSM:
Europe thought appeasement of Hitler and his ilk would work. They negotiated a peace. It worked so well that all of Europe went up in flames and even England was on the verge of collapse.

Appeasement doesn't work....you have been warned!

Scare tactics, yes.
Reality based, no. This article is full of crap, in my opinion.

 

[Adam's Apple]

To compare them to Hitler’s rise in Germany in the 1930s is just ludicrous at best. Where is the evidence of their battalions of high-tech tanks and armored vehicles, where is the evidence of their massive air force, or for that matter, an infrastructure that supports all this?

Seems to me the jihadists are doing a very good job without "high-tech tanks and armored vehicles, massive air force, and an infrastructure that supports all this". Different time, different place, but not a different mind-set. It's the mind-set that is being discussed.

This article is full of crap, in my opinion.

You're welcome to your opinion.

 

[CSM]

People who prefer to call the terrorist’s “insurgents”, or “freedom fighters”, “revolutionaries”, or “Islamo-fascists”, are the people of your government. It is the propaganda spinners, like Karl Rove, that come up with this rhetoric. Why? Because it dehumanizes the enemy, thus it is lifting the ethical boundaries that stand in the way of war. The labeling seems to change on a daily basis, thus speeding up the process.
Don’t be fooled, it’s all the same dribble slammed in a new package.

The mainstream media is in the hands of Rupert Murdoch and their ilk, a.k.a. the top 1% income that is favored the most by your president’s tax cuts. Do you honestly believe they offer an opposing view to the course of your president, with respect to his policies? They won’t, because that would interfere with profits.

Sure, Hamas is known to be a radical organization, but do they have the financial, political or infrastructural means to start conquering the world and rule us all? They have not even the means to escape the hell hole that is their everyday lives. To compare them to Hitler’s rise in Germany in the 1930s is just ludicrous at best. Where is the evidence of their battalions of high-tech tanks and armored vehicles, where is the evidence of their massive air force, or for that matter, an infrastructure that supports all this?



Scare tactics, yes.
Reality based, no. This article is full of crap, in my opinion.

Ignoring the whole media thing you comment on (I should say dismissing it at as pure BS) and moving on to Hamas:

Do you perhaps remember reading about the "Brown Shirts" before Hitler came to power? They were not quite as bad as Hamas in their actions but the end result was the same. They ended up being in control. They morphed into the Nazis and ended up setting the world in flames and killing MILLIONS of people. Hamas is a bit more than a radical organization; in fact your use of that term minmizes what they really are.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nahm0002/child_abuse.html

 

[Just a guy]

Hey! My kid had one of those! You pull back the orange knob and squeeze the trigger. Then you'll get to hear an unbearable rattle! I hated that toy... it just had to go...

Now he plays hockey.

 

[Harmageddon]

Originally posted by Adam's Apple:
Seems to me the jihadists are doing a very good job without "high-tech tanks and armored vehicles, massive air force, and an infrastructure that supports all this". Different time, different place, but not a different mind-set. It's the mind-set that is being discussed.

You are saying the jihadists are doing a good job doing what?
Toppling governments - regime change - around the globe, like Hitler was doing? As for the mind-set, it's the same with regards to the Jews or Zionists. But for the world domination schemes, you need to look into the mirror, rather than to Hamas.

Originally posted by CSM:
Ignoring the whole media thing you comment on (I should say dismissing it at as pure BS) and moving on to Hamas:

Do you perhaps remember reading about the "Brown Shirts" before Hitler came to power? They were not quite as bad as Hamas in their actions but the end result was the same. They ended up being in control. They morphed into the Nazis and ended up setting the world in flames and killing MILLIONS of people. Hamas is a bit more than a radical organization; in fact your use of that term minmizes what they really are.

I do remember the brown shirts, though luckily not from personal experience.
How can you tell the end result of an elected Hamas shall be the same as the elected Hitler’s NSDAP?
Both groups have one element in common. Hitler’s vision was sold on the perceived threat of Zionism or Jews in general. He used this to coerce the populace into a people with a common goal.
But that is where the similarities end.

For as the NSDAP came to power in a Germany that was set back because of the first World War (like the rest of Europe at that time) , the elected Hamas have come to power in occupied territories. For that matter, they seem more similar to Nelson Mandela’s NAC. And if you remember, Nelson’s party was regarded a terrorist organization by the American government as well.

Hamas may be perceived as more than a radical organization; you sound like a Palestinian advocating that. As of yet, they are nothing more than a radical organization, that have promised the Palestinians freedom from their oppressors, and they will give their lives to deliver on that promise. No wonder that in the elections they have swept away the Fatah party that has promised so much, yet delivered absolutely nothing.

And Hamas does not call for a world under Islamic rule, whereas Hitler on the other hand envisioned an empire dominating the world, ruled from Berlin. Hitler did have a country, the German people to work it with, plenty of political capital, and allies such as Stalin and Mussolini, with powerful nations behind them.

The Palestinian Hamas has no country, they are fighting for one.

Hitler had a country, and was fighting to dominate the world.

He used his “war on terror” a.k.a. the “war on zionism” to sell his dream to the people. And because their country was economically in decline and there was a lot of unemployment, the German people bought his rhetoric. And they could not believe their leader was really that intent on dominating the world, and was willing to pay that high a price for it. Nor could they perceive that all those tanks and planes they were building served other purposes than employment for the people.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

You are saying the jihadists are doing a good job doing what?
Toppling governments - regime change - around the globe, like Hitler was doing? As for the mind-set, it's the same with regards to the Jews or Zionists. But for the world domination schemes, you need to look into the mirror, rather than to Hamas.



I do remember the brown shirts, though luckily not from personal experience.
How can you tell the end result of an elected Hamas shall be the same as the elected Hitler’s NSDAP?
Both groups have one element in common. Hitler’s vision was sold on the perceived threat of Zionism or Jews in general. He used this to coerce the populace into a people with a common goal.
But that is where the similarities end.

For as the NSDAP came to power in a Germany that was set back because of the first World War (like the rest of Europe at that time) , the elected Hamas have come to power in occupied territories. For that matter, they seem more similar to Nelson Mandela’s NAC. And if you remember, Nelson’s party was regarded a terrorist organization by the American government as well.

Hamas may be perceived as more than a radical organization; you sound like a Palestinian advocating that. As of yet, they are nothing more than a radical organization, that have promised the Palestinians freedom from their oppressors, and they will give their lives to deliver on that promise. No wonder that in the elections they have swept away the Fatah party that has promised so much, yet delivered absolutely nothing.

And Hamas does not call for a world under Islamic rule, whereas Hitler on the other hand envisioned an empire dominating the world, ruled from Berlin. Hitler did have a country, the German people to work it with, plenty of political capital, and allies such as Stalin and Mussolini, with powerful nations behind them.

The Palestinian Hamas has no country, they are fighting for one.

Hitler had a country, and was fighting to dominate the world.

He used his “war on terror” a.k.a. the “war on zionism” to sell his dream to the people. And because their country was economically in decline and there was a lot of unemployment, the German people bought his rhetoric. And they could not believe their leader was really that intent on dominating the world, and was willing to pay that high a price for it. Nor could they perceive that all those tanks and planes they were building served other purposes than employment for the people.

Yes. Hamas deserves the benefit of the doubt. You're a fool.

 

[CSM]

Aw cmon Harma...you cannot just ignore the violent past of Hamas. they have been pretty busy blowing up things and people. You make them sound like rogue boyscouts. They are an Islamic extremist group that denies the right of Israel to exist. They advocate the destruction of the United States. They have claimed credit for acts of terrorism. The adhere to a religion that calls for the killing of ANYONE not of their religion. The have performed acts of terrorism to advance ALL their causes. I would say that their actions and past history make them a wee bit more than a "radical" organization and put them squarely in the terrorist camp.

 

[Harmageddon]

Yes, by all definitions Hamas is a terrorist organization.

I do not agree with their philosophy at all, nor do I agree with Islam.
I did not mean to describe them as boy scouts either.

But, they are definately not comparable to Hitler's NSDAP. Not at all.

Hitler's NSDAP was a political party that actually had the resources of a complete country under it's control. Thus it could use much more massive resources on all levels - from the raw stuff such as oil and iron ore, to the expertise of scientists and engineers - than Hamas could possibly gather under it's banner.

That is what made Hitler so dangerous to the world: he engaged in terrorism on a far worse level than Hamas will ever accomplish - state sponsored terrorism.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Yes, by all definitions Hamas is a terrorist organization.

I do not agree with their philosophy at all, nor do I agree with Islam.
I did not mean to describe them as boy scouts either.

But, they are definately not comparable to Hitler's NSDAP. Not at all.

Hitler's NSDAP was a political party that actually had the resources of a complete country under it's control. Thus it could use much more massive resources on all levels - from the raw stuff such as oil and iron ore, to the expertise of scientists and engineers - than Hamas could possibly gather under it's banner.

That is what made Hitler so dangerous to the world: he engaged in terrorism on a far worse level than Hamas will ever accomplish - state sponsored terrorism.

Hamas was just elected; now they have a state. Your constipated argument still won't budge.

 

[CSM]

Yes, by all definitions Hamas is a terrorist organization.

I do not agree with their philosophy at all, nor do I agree with Islam.
I did not mean to describe them as boy scouts either.

But, they are definately not comparable to Hitler's NSDAP. Not at all.

Hitler's NSDAP was a political party that actually had the resources of a complete country under it's control. Thus it could use much more massive resources on all levels - from the raw stuff such as oil and iron ore, to the expertise of scientists and engineers - than Hamas could possibly gather under it's banner.

That is what made Hitler so dangerous to the world: he engaged in terrorism on a far worse level than Hamas will ever accomplish - state sponsored terrorism.

I can agree with that. However, we cannot afford to ignore Hamas and what it stands for; we cannot afford to marginalize their ideology.

I understand there are differences between the circumstance and events. The point I am trying to make is that Islam, Hamas, Al Qaeda and any number of Muslim terrorist groups have publicly stated their agenda and goals. I for one believe they mean what they say. I have no doubt that much of the Muslim/Islamic terrorism is indeed state sponsored...Iran, Syria and even pakistan are all suspect.