Asclepias
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I have and it was indefensible because I had no real reason to break the rule. The difference is I did not do something that could very well get someone killed because I was upset I was called on it. Not sure why youre saying boo hoo?I see that as the dog picking up on her emotions. As i said I'm not defending her reaction at all. She was a complete asshole in her reaction.Because the guy asked her to leash the dog.There was no court case. What are you talking about?Per the last paragraph, yes. This is one area of the park set aside for people to bird watch. Human traffic on trails is less disruptive than canine traffic running in and out,chasing critters etc. You can assume all dogs are as well trained as yours or thatin all owners are as respectful. A 6 leash allows dog walkers to enjoy that area as well as birdwatchers.Thats an incredibly stupid comment. An obligation doesnt have to be legal. its moral.Yes I did to both.It is an excuse. You have the right because of the first amendment. There is also a such thing as citizens arrest for a reason.Thats a losing argument. It is not sufficient to use the "other people do it too excuse". You sound like a child.There are signs that say people are supposed to drive at a certain MPH as well.True, but she was in an area where dogs are supposed to be leashed and there were plenty of signs to that effect. Sure she could have made a choice to ignore him (and he could have rightfully filmed her off lead dog and called the cops on her.).No. She should have put her dog on a leash.Actions have consequences.Her punishment will be far more severe than the seriousness of her crime. She will spend the rest of her life in hiding because of the death threats. She will never be able to get a job again. Everyone she knows, except her few real friends, will disown her.
Like I said she should have just ignored him
Says you.
She has no obligation to comply with the orders of some unknown civilian.
In fact she has no obligation to acknowledge him if he speaks to her
Tell me how many actually follow those rules.
Was the dog bothering the guy?
It seemed to me he was quite a distance away from the woman and her dog.
Doesnt matter how far the dog was away. It was disturbing the wild life the sign was posted to protect.
It's not an excuse I am merely wondering why anyone who is not in law enforcement thinks they have the right to tell other people what to do.
And a dog on a leash can disturb wildlife. FYI people can disturb wildlife too.
A dog on a leash cannot attack wildlife which is the point. Yes humans can disturb and kill wild life but the sign was speaking of dogs being leashed not humans.
No the first amendment does not give you the right to enforce laws.
All he can do is say something, and he did. It's still not his job to make the person put a dog on a leash is it?
Like I said she should have just ignored the guy like I would have done.
Who said the 1rst gave you the right to enforce laws? This was your question...."I am merely wondering why anyone who is not in law enforcement thinks they have the right to tell other people what to do. "
The first amendment gives you the right to say what you want, including telling people to obey posted signs.
He didnt make the woman put the dog on the leash. Where did you get the assumption he made her do anything?
She had the right to ignore him just like you do. Instead she jumped to becoming a hysterical racist bitch.
You said you have a right because of the first amendment didn't you? Then you mentioned citizens' arrest didn't you?
The first amendment has nothing to do with citizens arrest and nothing to do with enforcing laws
As I said civilians do not have a duty to enforce the laws.
He can say whatever he wants but not one person has any obligation to listen to him.
I didnt say the 1rst had anything to do with citizens arrest. Your reading comprehension is on the fritz.
I dont care what you said. Civillians have a duty to help enforce laws up to a point which includes a citizens arrest.
True. No one has to listen to the guy. That doesnt mean he doesnt have the right to say what he said.
No they don't have an obligation to enforce laws.
If they did then people could be arrested for not stopping a criminal from committing a crime.
I have no moral obligation to enforce any law.
If I see a guy robbing a store I have no legal or moral obligation to stop him from doing so in fact I can leave the scene and refuse to speak to the police if I choose.
That said if i saw a person commit murder I would at the very least tell the cops what I saw but I would have no legal or moral obligation to physically detain that person
Tell what mortal imperative drives a civilian to enforce a leash law? Is it the disturbing the birds thing? Because people disturb birds all the time.
There was no evidence presented that this dog was disturbing the birds.
How do you know the dog was disturbing the birds?
Did you see any video of it?
You didn't because there was none.
So you are ASSUMING facts not in evidence
I dont have to see the video. She con concurred with the way things went down.
So you're assuming just admit it. There is nothing shown that supports the assumption that the dog was bothering this guy or any birds.
And she concurred that her dog was "disturbing the birds"?
I didn't see that. I saw her apologize for overreacting but that's all.
Doesn't matter if the dog was or wasn't chasing birds. The rule in that part of the park is that all dogs must be on a leash so as not to disturb the birds or the people watching them. She had a leash in her hand, so why in the hell couldn't she have just leashed the dog and been on her way? Would have avoided a whole bunch of problems.
and you NEVER break any rules right? We don't know that the dog wasn't walking right next to her on a heel do we? We certainly don't know if the dog was "disturbing the birds" do we?
Thing is this woman would have kept on walking right by mister birdwatcher if he would have minded his own business.
From the way the dog was acting, looking like it was trying to get away from her, I seriously doubt that it's been trained well enough to heel.
And, it doesn't matter if the dog was disturbing the birds or not, the rule is that dogs must be leashed in that area of the park.
But, keep defending the indefensible if that helps you sleep at night.
I would have just ignored him and kept on walking
And really when did it become indefensible to walk a dog off leash.
I'll ask again have you NEVER broken a "rule"?
"And really when did it become indefensible to walk a dog off leash."
When there is a sign posted saying to leash your dog.
Boo Fucking Hoo
tell me have you NEVER broken a rule?
If you say no you're a liar.