The West´s silly Ukrainian ISIS Nazi Army

[Indofred]

The US does employ private contractors,

There are no American combat troops in Laos...... sorry, Ukraine.
Just the CIA and mercs - thousands of them.

Vietnam =/= Ukraine. No Americans have died fighting the Donbass rebels. The US didn't send CIA, it sent US troops from Nato bases and/or National Guard Units to train and equip Ukrainian National Guard,etc.

So we keep being told - but how come Ukraine's troops speak English with American accents? The video is clear evidence of something going on.
When there's a smell, you commonly find a turd nearby.

 

[hipeter924]

The US does employ private contractors,

There are no American combat troops in Laos...... sorry, Ukraine.
Just the CIA and mercs - thousands of them.

Vietnam =/= Ukraine. No Americans have died fighting the Donbass rebels. The US didn't send CIA, it sent US troops from Nato bases and/or National Guard Units to train and equip Ukrainian National Guard,etc.

So we keep being told - but how come Ukraine's troops speak English with American accents? The video is clear evidence of something going on.
When there's a smell, you commonly find a turd nearby.

Even that video admits that they are most likely military trainers or private contractors.

What the video doesn't say is that the US said in 2014 that it would train Ukrainian National Guard in 2015, and that this is going on near a Ukrainian National Guard installation.

 

[ESay]

So we keep being told - but how come Ukraine's troops speak English with American accents? The video is clear evidence of something going on.
When there's a smell, you commonly find a turd nearby.

How about Russian servicemen who were captured in Luhansk region some time ago? Erofeev and Aleksandrov.

Most likely their acknowledgement has been received by the means of tortures which Ukrainian bandero-Nazi-fascist junta widely uses? They are not servicemen; they are just volunteers who came to Ukraine at the behest of the heart, right?

 

[hipeter924]

So we keep being told - but how come Ukraine's troops speak English with American accents? The video is clear evidence of something going on.
When there's a smell, you commonly find a turd nearby.

How about Russian servicemen who were captured in Luhansk region some time ago? Erofeev and Aleksandrov.

Most likely their acknowledgement has been received by the means of tortures which Ukrainian bandero-Nazi-fascist junta widely uses? They are not servicemen; they are just volunteers who came to Ukraine at the behest of the heart, right?

Just another proxy-war ESay. In a proxy-war both sides have intermediaries, even said proxy's can be enemies of their defacto or declared backers.

At this point, it doesn't really matter who is 'right' or 'wrong', as moral arguments rarely win proxy war as it is not conventional warfare.

As close as the USSR and the USA came to an actual war between the militaries of the two powers, was Korea - which ended in a bloody stalemate.

In conventional warfare, it is clear. You have several armies of x countries, and they fight it out. But in a messed up scenario like Ukraine, there are no 'victors', as it isn't like anyone could call a division between east and west, sanctions between major powers, and bloodshed a 'victory'.

Ukrainians are just lucky to live day by day, and logistically, I doubt they care whether it is 'Donbass' or Kiev, so long as they give you food and a bed to sleep in.

 

[ESay]

Just another proxy-war ESay. In a proxy-war both sides have intermediaries, even said proxy's can be enemies of their defacto or declared backers.

At this point, it doesn't really matter who is 'right' or 'wrong', as moral arguments rarely win proxy war as it is not conventional warfare.

As close as the USSR and the USA came to an actual war between the militaries of the two powers, was Korea - which ended in a bloody stalemate.

In conventional warfare, it is clear. You have several armies of x countries, and they fight it out. But in a messed up scenario like Ukraine, there are no 'victors', as it isn't like anyone could call a division between east and west, sanctions between major powers, and bloodshed a 'victory'.

Ukrainians are just lucky to live day by day, and logistically, I doubt they care whether it is 'Donbass' or Kiev, so long as they give you food and a bed to sleep in.

I think that moral arguments can’t win any war. The winner is a side which economically, militarily, and technologically more advanced than its enemy. No one was able to crush Hitler only using their moral superiority, rather than tanks and military planes.

In every war there are winners and losers; a proxy war isn’t an exception.

You are talking about a division between east and west. If you mean a division between eastern and western parts of Ukraine, then it have existed throughout many years. At some point this division took the form of open hostility and violence. But this was inevitable.

If you are talking about the West and the East, then it depends on what you call the East – Russia, China, Middle East, India or them as a whole. Basically, I don’t see any division between the West and the East just because there isn’t the East as a whole; it consists of many parts, some of them are allies to the US, the other – enemies.

 

[Indofred]

I think that moral arguments can’t win any war

I agree - or there wouldn't be a war in the first place. Wars of this nature happen because of political stupidity and/or greed.
Someone is making a fast buck, and screw the poor sods who die for their profits.

 

[Indofred]

How about Russian servicemen who were captured in Luhansk region some time ago? Erofeev and Aleksandrov.

I believe there are very probably Russian troops in the area, and on active duty.
I'd be amazed if there weren't.
However, apart from Russia, no one says otherwise so there's no point to debate.

What about Americans over there?

 

[ESay]

I believe there are very probably Russian troops in the area, and on active duty.
I'd be amazed if there weren't.
However, apart from Russia, no one says otherwise so there's no point to debate.

You live in Indonesia and you think that there are Russian troops on active duty in Ukraine? It is unbelievable. You in Indonesia are totally brainwashed by Ukrainian media!
(It is a joke).

What about Americans over there?

There are American trainers in Ukraine. In all probability there are also American military advisors.

 

[Igrok_]

Everybody in Russia knows that Russia supports donbass. Of course by sending military people and ammo there. What's the point to accuse Russia in that? Why Russia shouldn't do it? NATO is a threat to russian security system, Ukraine wants to be the provider of this threats, so Russia absolutely legitible should act aggresively in response to ukrainian threats, because if Ukraine goes to NATO, it will be late to hit.

Second, Russia doesn't want Donbass to be independent or even part of it, because the main thing is to prevent Ukraine to be part of NATO, so Russia needs a handle to rule the neighbor country. And this handle is Donbass, which is to have its representatives in ukrainian state government system. That's the motives of Russian Federation and after negotiations in Minsk the only thing that needs Russia is to have them implemented, which means peace, not war.

Europe needs it too, USA and Ukraine want war and actively prepare to it.

 

[irosie91]

I believe there are very probably Russian troops in the area, and on active duty.
I'd be amazed if there weren't.
However, apart from Russia, no one says otherwise so there's no point to debate.

You live in Indonesia and you think that there are Russian troops on active duty in Ukraine? It is unbelievable. You in Indonesia are totally brainwashed by Ukrainian media!
(It is a joke).

What about Americans over there?

There are American trainers in Ukraine. In all probability there are also American military advisors.

It is a mistake to underestimate the filth and stench of ISLAM in the UKRAINE----in fact, CRIMEA is the epicenter of that filth -----the element stabbing the eastern orthodox and catholic Ukraine in the back.

 

[Camp]

Everybody in Russia knows that Russia supports donbass. Of course by sending military peope and ammo there. What's the point to accuse Russia in that? Why Russia shouldn't do it? NATO is a threat to russian security system, Ukraine wants to be the provider of this threats, so Russia absolutely legitible should act aggresivily in response to ukrainian threats, because if Ukraine goes to NATO, it will be late to hit.

Second, Russia doesn't want Donbass to be independent or even part of it, because the main thing is to prevent Ukraine to be part of NATO, so Russia needs a handle to rule the neighbor country. And this handle is Donbass, which is to have its representatives in ukrainian state government system. That's the motives of Russian Federation and after negotioations in Minsk the only thing that needs Russia is to have them implemented, which means peace, not war.

Europe needs it too, USA and Ukraine want war and actively prepare to it.

All countries sign treaties and make promises to follow certain rules. If they did not there would be more difficulties and wars than we already have. When countries break rules and cause wars, the world responds. Russia has broken international laws and broken promises to follow specific rules. Sanctions are being used to punish and convince Russia to stop breaking these agreements and rules. Internationally recognized nation of Ukraine is receiving aid from other countries to protect it's independence. If Russian weapons and troops were not crossing the border their would be no sanctions or aid. Those are the rules. The west is following rules and Russia is breaking them. If everyone behaved like Russia their would be wars everywhere.

 

[Igrok_]

Everybody in Russia knows that Russia supports donbass. Of course by sending military peope and ammo there. What's the point to accuse Russia in that? Why Russia shouldn't do it? NATO is a threat to russian security system, Ukraine wants to be the provider of this threats, so Russia absolutely legitible should act aggresivily in response to ukrainian threats, because if Ukraine goes to NATO, it will be late to hit.

Second, Russia doesn't want Donbass to be independent or even part of it, because the main thing is to prevent Ukraine to be part of NATO, so Russia needs a handle to rule the neighbor country. And this handle is Donbass, which is to have its representatives in ukrainian state government system. That's the motives of Russian Federation and after negotioations in Minsk the only thing that needs Russia is to have them implemented, which means peace, not war.

Europe needs it too, USA and Ukraine want war and actively prepare to it.

All countries sign treaties and make promises to follow certain rules. If they did not there would be more difficulties and wars than we already have. When countries break rules and cause wars, the world responds. Russia has broken international laws and broken promises to follow specific rules. Sanctions are being used to punish and convince Russia to stop breaking these agreements and rules. Internationally recognized nation of Ukraine is receiving aid from other countries to protect it's independence. If Russian weapons and troops were not crossing the border their would be no sanctions or aid. Those are the rules. The west is following rules and Russia is breaking them. If everyone behaved like Russia their would be wars everywhere.

Hm, what is the point following the rules, if this rules injure your country and could lead people to death or loosing their freedom? If western world with Ukraine wants Russia to follow such rules of course it will be war.

 

[Camp]

Everybody in Russia knows that Russia supports donbass. Of course by sending military peope and ammo there. What's the point to accuse Russia in that? Why Russia shouldn't do it? NATO is a threat to russian security system, Ukraine wants to be the provider of this threats, so Russia absolutely legitible should act aggresivily in response to ukrainian threats, because if Ukraine goes to NATO, it will be late to hit.

Second, Russia doesn't want Donbass to be independent or even part of it, because the main thing is to prevent Ukraine to be part of NATO, so Russia needs a handle to rule the neighbor country. And this handle is Donbass, which is to have its representatives in ukrainian state government system. That's the motives of Russian Federation and after negotioations in Minsk the only thing that needs Russia is to have them implemented, which means peace, not war.

Europe needs it too, USA and Ukraine want war and actively prepare to it.

All countries sign treaties and make promises to follow certain rules. If they did not there would be more difficulties and wars than we already have. When countries break rules and cause wars, the world responds. Russia has broken international laws and broken promises to follow specific rules. Sanctions are being used to punish and convince Russia to stop breaking these agreements and rules. Internationally recognized nation of Ukraine is receiving aid from other countries to protect it's independence. If Russian weapons and troops were not crossing the border their would be no sanctions or aid. Those are the rules. The west is following rules and Russia is breaking them. If everyone behaved like Russia their would be wars everywhere.

Hm, what is the point following the rules, if this rules injure your country and could lead people to death or loosing their freedom? If western world with Ukraine wants Russia to follow such rules of course it will be war.

Russia had great international power. The boss decided he wanted to be a big shot old style Soviet type leader instead of a statesman and diplomat. He was left in control like some kind of lifetime dictator and his ego got to big. Now Russia has to pay for foolish decisions he has made.

 

[Igrok_]

Everybody in Russia knows that Russia supports donbass. Of course by sending military peope and ammo there. What's the point to accuse Russia in that? Why Russia shouldn't do it? NATO is a threat to russian security system, Ukraine wants to be the provider of this threats, so Russia absolutely legitible should act aggresivily in response to ukrainian threats, because if Ukraine goes to NATO, it will be late to hit.

Second, Russia doesn't want Donbass to be independent or even part of it, because the main thing is to prevent Ukraine to be part of NATO, so Russia needs a handle to rule the neighbor country. And this handle is Donbass, which is to have its representatives in ukrainian state government system. That's the motives of Russian Federation and after negotioations in Minsk the only thing that needs Russia is to have them implemented, which means peace, not war.

Europe needs it too, USA and Ukraine want war and actively prepare to it.

All countries sign treaties and make promises to follow certain rules. If they did not there would be more difficulties and wars than we already have. When countries break rules and cause wars, the world responds. Russia has broken international laws and broken promises to follow specific rules. Sanctions are being used to punish and convince Russia to stop breaking these agreements and rules. Internationally recognized nation of Ukraine is receiving aid from other countries to protect it's independence. If Russian weapons and troops were not crossing the border their would be no sanctions or aid. Those are the rules. The west is following rules and Russia is breaking them. If everyone behaved like Russia their would be wars everywhere.

Hm, what is the point following the rules, if this rules injure your country and could lead people to death or loosing their freedom? If western world with Ukraine wants Russia to follow such rules of course it will be war.

Russia had great international power. The boss decided he wanted to be a big shot old style Soviet type leader instead of a statesman and diplomat. He was left in control like some kind of lifetime dictator and his ego got to big. Now Russia has to pay for foolish decisions he has made.

It is only the opinion apart from reality and arguments. One may say such thing about Poroshenko or Obama or somebody else.

 

[Camp]

Everybody in Russia knows that Russia supports donbass. Of course by sending military peope and ammo there. What's the point to accuse Russia in that? Why Russia shouldn't do it? NATO is a threat to russian security system, Ukraine wants to be the provider of this threats, so Russia absolutely legitible should act aggresivily in response to ukrainian threats, because if Ukraine goes to NATO, it will be late to hit.

Second, Russia doesn't want Donbass to be independent or even part of it, because the main thing is to prevent Ukraine to be part of NATO, so Russia needs a handle to rule the neighbor country. And this handle is Donbass, which is to have its representatives in ukrainian state government system. That's the motives of Russian Federation and after negotioations in Minsk the only thing that needs Russia is to have them implemented, which means peace, not war.

Europe needs it too, USA and Ukraine want war and actively prepare to it.

All countries sign treaties and make promises to follow certain rules. If they did not there would be more difficulties and wars than we already have. When countries break rules and cause wars, the world responds. Russia has broken international laws and broken promises to follow specific rules. Sanctions are being used to punish and convince Russia to stop breaking these agreements and rules. Internationally recognized nation of Ukraine is receiving aid from other countries to protect it's independence. If Russian weapons and troops were not crossing the border their would be no sanctions or aid. Those are the rules. The west is following rules and Russia is breaking them. If everyone behaved like Russia their would be wars everywhere.

Hm, what is the point following the rules, if this rules injure your country and could lead people to death or loosing their freedom? If western world with Ukraine wants Russia to follow such rules of course it will be war.

Russia had great international power. The boss decided he wanted to be a big shot old style Soviet type leader instead of a statesman and diplomat. He was left in control like some kind of lifetime dictator and his ego got to big. Now Russia has to pay for foolish decisions he has made.

It is only the opinion apart from reality and arguments. One may say such thing about Poroshenko or Obama or somebody else.

Elections in Ukraine are were recognized by international authorities, including United Nations. Crimea and separatist areas are not recognized as legitimate.

 

[Igrok_]

Everybody in Russia knows that Russia supports donbass. Of course by sending military peope and ammo there. What's the point to accuse Russia in that? Why Russia shouldn't do it? NATO is a threat to russian security system, Ukraine wants to be the provider of this threats, so Russia absolutely legitible should act aggresivily in response to ukrainian threats, because if Ukraine goes to NATO, it will be late to hit.

Second, Russia doesn't want Donbass to be independent or even part of it, because the main thing is to prevent Ukraine to be part of NATO, so Russia needs a handle to rule the neighbor country. And this handle is Donbass, which is to have its representatives in ukrainian state government system. That's the motives of Russian Federation and after negotioations in Minsk the only thing that needs Russia is to have them implemented, which means peace, not war.

Europe needs it too, USA and Ukraine want war and actively prepare to it.

All countries sign treaties and make promises to follow certain rules. If they did not there would be more difficulties and wars than we already have. When countries break rules and cause wars, the world responds. Russia has broken international laws and broken promises to follow specific rules. Sanctions are being used to punish and convince Russia to stop breaking these agreements and rules. Internationally recognized nation of Ukraine is receiving aid from other countries to protect it's independence. If Russian weapons and troops were not crossing the border their would be no sanctions or aid. Those are the rules. The west is following rules and Russia is breaking them. If everyone behaved like Russia their would be wars everywhere.

Hm, what is the point following the rules, if this rules injure your country and could lead people to death or loosing their freedom? If western world with Ukraine wants Russia to follow such rules of course it will be war.

Russia had great international power. The boss decided he wanted to be a big shot old style Soviet type leader instead of a statesman and diplomat. He was left in control like some kind of lifetime dictator and his ego got to big. Now Russia has to pay for foolish decisions he has made.

It is only the opinion apart from reality and arguments. One may say such thing about Poroshenko or Obama or somebody else.

Elections in Ukraine are were recognized by international authorities, including United Nations. Crimea and separatist areas are not recognized as legitimate.

Yes, and...?

 

[irosie91]

I will register a vote----->>>Putin is an over-ambitious slob

 

[Stratford57]

How about Russian servicemen who were captured in Luhansk region some time ago? Erofeev and Aleksandrov.

I believe there are very probably Russian troops in the area, and on active duty.
I'd be amazed if there weren't.
However, apart from Russia, no one says otherwise so there's no point to debate.

What about Americans over there?

Indofred, isn't it lovely to watch how Americans and a Ukrainian "patriot" are discussing if there are Russian troops in Ukraine or not. Especially when Ukrainian "patriot" can't wait to sell his Motherland and million people living there just for 30 silver coins for chimerical European integration and when American "ears" are sticking out of each hole in Ukraine since they initiated, encouraged and sponsored the violent overthrow of elected government. Supplying official Kiev with weapons, having American "instructors" (who can always become troops), private military companies (Blackwater, etc.), and 100% controlled by Washington Ukrainian government (which wouldn't even fart without a permit from Washington), they are blaming Russia for "aggression". I find it amazing, you?

Russia and Ukraine (and Belarus) are the same people, they used to live together for centuries in the country called Kiev Russia and 25 years ago have been split by 3 crooks (Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevitch) with Washington's blessing. If Russian troops are there it makes sense, what doesn't make sense: what Americans are doing in Ukraine?

 

[irosie91]

How about Russian servicemen who were captured in Luhansk region some time ago? Erofeev and Aleksandrov.

I believe there are very probably Russian troops in the area, and on active duty.
I'd be amazed if there weren't.
However, apart from Russia, no one says otherwise so there's no point to debate.

What about Americans over there?

Indofred, isn't it lovely to watch how Americans and a Ukrainian "patriot" are discussing if there are Russian troops in Ukraine or not. Especially when Ukrainian "patriot" can't wait to sell his Motherland and million people living there just for 30 silver coins for chimerical European integration and when American "ears" are sticking out of each hole in Ukraine since they initiated, encouraged and sponsored the violent overthrow of elected government. Supplying official Kiev with weapons, having American "instructors" (who can always become troops), private military companies (Blackwater, etc.), and 100% controlled by Washington Ukrainian government (which wouldn't even fart without a permit from Washington), they are blaming Russia for "aggression". I find it amazing, you?

Russia and Ukraine (and Belarus) are the same people, they used to live together for centuries in the country called Kiev Russia and 25 years ago have been split by 3 crooks (Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevitch) with Washington's blessing. If Russian troops are there it makes sense, what doesn't make sense: what Americans are doing in Ukraine?

isn't it lovely that Stratford appeals to Freddie to endorse his idiotic historic revisionism.

 

[ESay]

It is a mistake to underestimate the filth and stench of ISLAM in the UKRAINE----in fact, CRIMEA is the epicenter of that filth -----the element stabbing the eastern orthodox and catholic Ukraine in the back.

Actually I wouldn’t say that Islam has a strong influence in Ukraine (so far, at the very least).

In Crimea the Islamic population isn’t too high so far – 12 per cent of the whole population of Crimea or so. But in the future the Crimean Tatars’ issue may be raised at the top of the agenda and there is no guarantee that this issue will have a peaceful form. Such an issue would be raised even if Crimea remained part of Ukraine. And it is one of the reasons why I grateful to Putin for the annexation.