Trump will fight to the last Ukrainian for the glory of Exxon and Chevron

[CrusaderFrank]

Such a plan, as described has gotta be a non starter for the Russians. Given the current circumstances on the ground, nobody would.

It's so absurd you have to believe Trump is doing all he can to continue the war

 

[Litwin]

That's the difference between Reagan's era and today

really ?

Post in thread 'Trump threatened to impose "extremely harsh sanctions" on countries that continue to cooperate with Moscow empire.'

Nov 17, 2025

And now European productive economy is collapsing and Russian productive economy (counted, say, in amounts of cruise missiles, UAVs and shells) is skyrocketing. And reality is the only thing that matters.

the 3rd largest oil company in the horde posts another -65% drop

• Litwin

 

[CrusaderFrank]

really ?

Post in thread 'Trump threatened to impose "extremely harsh sanctions" on countries that continue to cooperate with Moscow empire.'

Nov 17, 2025

And now European productive economy is collapsing and Russian productive economy (counted, say, in amounts of cruise missiles, UAVs and shells) is skyrocketing. And reality is the only thing that matters.

the 3rd largest oil company in the horde posts another -65% drop

• Litwin

You don't get it

I know you probably get paid by the post from your hideout in Poland so the situation on the ground doesn't matter to you or Zelensky

All you and Trump are doing is ending Ukraine as a country

Half the population fled, never to return

The vast majority of young men have been killed or wounded

Best thing for Ukraine would be regime change

 

[Litwin]

You don't get it

I know you probably get paid by the post from your hideout in Poland so the situation in the ground doesn't matter to you or Zelensky

All you and Trump are doing is ending Ukraine as a country

Half the population fled, never to return

The vast majority of young men have been killed or wounded

Best thing for Ukraine would be regime change

“Even victory will be a catastrophe” — hardcore imperialist Girkin admits Moscow empire 's collapse is inevitable​

Perhaps khan putin is testing the water for a change in tactics? Beginning to worry about social disorder in the empire ?

Moscow ulus´s war record :-

1856 defeated by Britain and France

1905 defeated by Japan

1917 defeated by Germany

1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states

1939 defeated by Finland

1969 defeated by China

1989 defeated by Afghanistan

1989 defeated in the Cold War.

1996 defeated by Chechnya

2022 defeated by Ukraine

2024 defeated in Syria

WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including ghaza imperialist Solzhenitsyn

Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries :-

a) Hungary 1956

b) Czechoslovakia 1968

c) Moldova 1992

d) Georgia 2008

 

[JWBooth]

Kupyansk is now in Russian hands and any use it served the Ukes as a rail hub is gone, Pokrovsk is effectively surrounded and the remaining Uke forces there have no escape so that logistics hub is lost to them as well.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Muhammed]

Better question why would Trump propose this knowing it’s a nonstarter

Because he knows how to negotiate.

 

[Ringo]

 

[justoffal]

The problem with that is that Donbas seceded from Ukraine and joined the Russian Federation.

Why the hell should Ukraine own it?

Ethnic cleansing of Russian nationals by Ukraine in Donbas for the past 20 years is what actually started this war....

 

[Ringo]

The unteachable ukrainians immediately began to tear apart Trump's “peace plan,” as usual, picking out the parts they found most unpleasant and immediately setting the reactive US president on the right track, the one that Russia wanted.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's actually not terrible. Keeping Russia's $100B will be a big disincentive. Also, NATO has advanced to the Russian border, where else can they expand?

 

[leftwinger]

NEW: The New 28-Point Peace Plan for the Russia-Ukraine War by the Trump Administration Leaks – Pressure Mounts on Zelensky To Agree to It Fast
by Paul Serran Nov. 20, 2025

NEW: The New 28-Point Peace Plan for the Russia-Ukraine War by the Trump Administration Leaks – Pressure Mounts on Zelensky To Agree to It Fast | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran

Trump may well get the war stopped by the end of the year.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[CrusaderFrank]

NEW: The New 28-Point Peace Plan for the Russia-Ukraine War by the Trump Administration Leaks – Pressure Mounts on Zelensky To Agree to It Fast
by Paul Serran Nov. 20, 2025

NEW: The New 28-Point Peace Plan for the Russia-Ukraine War by the Trump Administration Leaks – Pressure Mounts on Zelensky To Agree to It Fast | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran

Trump may well get the war stopped by the end of the year.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Honestly, Trump is somewhat insincere, he could have ended this day1 by shutting off all aid to Ukraine and saved several hundred thousand young Ukrainians

Since the WEF failed to conquer Ukraine and Russia, he's done the second best thing, make the continued war work for the benefit of US Oil interests. Putin must have said "Nyet" to sharing resources captured in Donbass

 

[task0778]

Trump will fight to the last Ukrainian for the glory of Exxon and Chevron​

There's no mention of Big Oil anywhere, so why is Exxon and Chevron mentioned? JMO, but I think that Trump's main desire for glory is for himself. He's a megalomaniac. Which BTW is fairly common in DC and elsewhere these days.

Honestly, Trump is somewhat insincere, he could have ended this day1 by shutting off all aid to Ukraine and saved several hundred thousand young Ukrainians

True. but then Ukraine would be a soviet satellite country by now. Is that a good thing? It feels like in many ways Putin is a modern day Hitler, annexing countries and territories to rebuild the USSR. I don't think it's going to result in a good way for them, I don't see Russia as ever returning to the status of a major power any time soon.

I don't know how to stop a guy like Putin, who like Hitler has no scruples. Appeasement didn't work before, but nothing else appears to work either, then or now.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump will fight to the last Ukrainian for the glory of Exxon and Chevron​

There's no mention of Big Oil anywhere, so why is Exxon and Chevron mentioned? JMO, but I think that Trump's main desire for glory is for himself. He's a megalomaniac. Which BTW is fairly common in DC and elsewhere these days.





True. but then Ukraine would be a soviet satellite country by now. Is that a good thing? It feels like in many ways Putin is a modern day Hitler, annexing countries and territories to rebuild the USSR. I don't think it's going to result in a good way for them, I don't see Russia as ever returning to the status of a major power any time soon.

I don't know how to stop a guy like Putin, who like Hitler has no scruples. Appeasement didn't work before, but nothing else appears to work either, then or now.

Putin has no ******* interest in anything west of the Dnieper! It's 3 years now!

 

[task0778]

Putin has no ******* interest in anything west of the Dnieper! It's 3 years now!

What makes you think so? Did he say so, and if he did why do you believe him?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What makes you think so? Did he say so, and if he did why do you believe him?

Because the vast majority of Russian ethnics are EAST of the Dneiper

 

[Ringo]

 

[task0778]

Because the vast majority of Russian ethnics are EAST of the Dneiper

True, but I thought Putin wants some buffer states between the Russian ethnics and everybody else. Mostly the West.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That's actually not terrible. Keeping Russia's $100B will be a big disincentive. Also, NATO has advanced to the Russian border, where else can they expand?

Just curious, when did that happen?