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WTF does when the rockets started have to do with anything you deluded moron?
BTW, in reality, occupations don't end until hostilities end. So if they want to keep launching rockets, they can kiss the West Bank goodbye
A Palestinian supporter like you has no right to accuse someone else of lying, liar.
RoccoR
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Steve (theliq), et al,
I don't believe that it is just that simple any more.
There are a couple problems with this that just raise the risk factor much to high.
Who thinks for a minute, that by lifting the blockade, the withdrawal to the ≈ 1949 Armistice Lines (June 67 Borders) and the abandonment of Area "C" --- for the West Bank and Gaza would result in: "everyone will be Happy????"
No sooner would the Israelis withdraw and the Arab Palestinian would reopen Jihad on another basis and present an entirely new threat to Regional Peace. Both the West Bank and Gaza Strip would become bastion for terrorist of nearly every type and kind.
No one would be happy and the regional government would all be under threat.
Most Respectfully,
R
I don't believe that it is just that simple any more.
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There are a couple problems with this that just raise the risk factor much to high.
Who thinks for a minute, that by lifting the blockade, the withdrawal to the ≈ 1949 Armistice Lines (June 67 Borders) and the abandonment of Area "C" --- for the West Bank and Gaza would result in: "everyone will be Happy????"
No sooner would the Israelis withdraw and the Arab Palestinian would reopen Jihad on another basis and present an entirely new threat to Regional Peace. Both the West Bank and Gaza Strip would become bastion for terrorist of nearly every type and kind.
No one would be happy and the regional government would all be under threat.
Most Respectfully,
R
WTF does when the rockets started have to do with anything you deluded moron?
BTW, in reality, occupations don't end until hostilities end. So if they want to keep launching rockets, they can kiss the West Bank goodbye
But the West Bank has been strangely quiet since Arafat's last intifada ended bringing up an interesting possibility. Israel has always supported a 2-state solution in stages. Perhaps the time is right to recognize Pal statehood as something more than just words but rather a PA controlled state on the WB.
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Are my eyes deceiving me? You get my thumbs up Sniff!WTF does when the rockets started have to do with anything you deluded moron?
BTW, in reality, occupations don't end until hostilities end. So if they want to keep launching rockets, they can kiss the West Bank goodbye
But the West Bank has been strangely quiet since Arafat's last intifada ended bringing up an interesting possibility. Israel has always supported a 2-state solution in stages. Perhaps the time is right to recognize Pal statehood as something more than just words but rather a PA controlled state on the WB.
RoccoR
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pbel, et al,
Well, you have to apply current HAMAS Policy.
"This paper was originally presented by Mr Khalid Meshaal, the Chief of the Political Bureau of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) at a conference convened by Al-Zaytouna Centre for Studies & Consultations, Beirut, on 28-29 November 2012.
It explores Hamas' vision for the Palestinian issue, and the practical application of the movement's stances and concepts. Meshaal discusses the "Arab Spring" and its impact on the issue, in addition to Hamas's role and potential challenges. Finally, Meshaal discusses the challenges and problems facing the Arab Spring in its various countries."
There is nothing in HAMAS Policy that even remotely suggests that it would give-up the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) if Israel accepted the Saudi Proposal or any variation thereof. In fact, it states the opposite. The Islamic Resistance Movement wants all of the area that they define as Palestine:
The Islamic Resistance Movement wants all the territory.
This is telling.
Most Respectfully,
R
Well, you have to apply current HAMAS Policy.
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"This paper was originally presented by Mr Khalid Meshaal, the Chief of the Political Bureau of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) at a conference convened by Al-Zaytouna Centre for Studies & Consultations, Beirut, on 28-29 November 2012.
It explores Hamas' vision for the Palestinian issue, and the practical application of the movement's stances and concepts. Meshaal discusses the "Arab Spring" and its impact on the issue, in addition to Hamas's role and potential challenges. Finally, Meshaal discusses the challenges and problems facing the Arab Spring in its various countries."
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Resistance: This is a primary principle and our strategic choice. Some have had doubts that talk of a truce is giving up on the resistance; this of course arbitrary. In short, the path of resistance, in terms of its preparation, organization, and performance for the liberation of Palestine, is a path that cannot be interrupted. In addition to this, the management of the decision of escalation and truce, as well as diversifying our methods and manners, all fall under the process of managing the decision, and not the principle of the decision, as the principle cannot be changed.
(COMMENT)Resistance: This is a primary principle and our strategic choice. Some have had doubts that talk of a truce is giving up on the resistance; this of course arbitrary. In short, the path of resistance, in terms of its preparation, organization, and performance for the liberation of Palestine, is a path that cannot be interrupted. In addition to this, the management of the decision of escalation and truce, as well as diversifying our methods and manners, all fall under the process of managing the decision, and not the principle of the decision, as the principle cannot be changed.
There is nothing in HAMAS Policy that even remotely suggests that it would give-up the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) if Israel accepted the Saudi Proposal or any variation thereof. In fact, it states the opposite. The Islamic Resistance Movement wants all of the area that they define as Palestine:
1. Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.
2. Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.
2. Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.
The Islamic Resistance Movement wants all the territory.
Agreeing to a state on the 1967 borders: Some worry that this is following in the footsteps of those before us, and eventually the big dream will shrink. To this we say no, we are not necessarily convinced that the liberation of the occupied territory of 1967 is a practical goal. Personally, I believe, in terms of the practical objective aspect, that anyone who can liberate the territories occupied in 1967, is able to liberate the rest of Palestine. Furthermore, there is a need to unify the Palestinian as well as the Arab stance on a common denominator upon which all parties agree, regardless of how that program may vary from one party to another. This is what drives us, the Hamas movement and other resistance movements, to take this political stance as long as it is not at the expense of the rest of the Palestinian land and does not contain any abandonment of our rights or any part of our land, nor include any recognition of “Israel.”
This is telling.
Most Respectfully,
R
And an "inconvenient truth" many here seem compelled to ignore.
What lame-ass anti-Israeli collection of Happy Horseshit are we dealing with in this thread?
pbel
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Rocco hangs onto theory and old thinking...For one you and I supported a WB State of Palestine...Certainly Hamas and Gaza are not included in this scenario...Israel should try very hard to make then WB succeed economically...That alone may change the equation in Gaza and perhaps could join the new state later...
Israel after a period certain should allow Abbas to have a well equipped police unit to be able to easily subdue Hamas if need be...
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Rocco quoted Hamas policy as of late November, 2012 as per Khaled Meshaal. You have posted nothing which indicates a change in that policy. Just because I believe there is an opportunity to move off the status quo doesn't mean the Pals will be amenable to anything but their next step toward the Hamas dream of Israel's destruction.
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Using Hamas is an excuse which can only lead to failure in a peace process...Let them rot or join the PA...The West Bank if it become Economically viable and creates a decent atmosphere of prosperity will do more to destroy Hamas than all of Israel's armaments in my view.
Billo_Really
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Defending your home from foreign invaders, is not terrorism.
Billo_Really
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Your lame-ass raps get old, parrot.
Billo_Really
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Because that's what honest, law-abiding people with nothing to hide, do. It's your civic duty to assist the investigation, if called upon. Only the guilty try to derail the investigation.
They asked our own "Toasty", to be on the commission? Wow! He's Canadian. And he IS an airhead.
No, **** you! You think you're above the law.
You trash anyone who criticizes your sick country.
You've maintained an occupation of land that isn't yours for a half-century. The Palestinian's suffer a lot more than you premadonna's with your inflated ego's.
Yeah, it would be great if we could neutralize Hamas by snapping our fingers but they, like all vicious Islamist gangs, have little trouble recruiting hopeless not-too-brights to do their nefarious bidding.
Israel says it broke up Hamas terror plot - CNN.com
November 27, 2014
"Authorities arrested at least 30 members of Palestinian militant group Hamas and seized rifles, ammunition and explosives, said the Shin Bet, the country's security agency...
While this operation has been made public, many other counter-terror actions against Hamas remain secret, he said, while visiting the Sde Boker kibbutz in southern Israel."
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