The video I just saw from the trial of the Floyd incident with the audio of the crowd around looked pretty bad

[Turtlesoup]

The crowd is begging to check his pulse.

What good would that do?

See if he was dead?

Not even that-----only a doctor can declare someone dead.. At best, she could have said that she thought that he wasn't breathing...........but her idiotic comments of her saying that she could have done chest compressions to save him shows just how stupid she is and clueless about medical care.

floyd overdosed...her checking his pulse and her doing chest compression would have done shit.

 

[progressive hunter]

The crowd is begging to check his pulse.

What good would that do?

See if he was dead?

Not even that-----only a doctor can declare someone dead.. At best, she could have said that she thought that he wasn't breathing...........but her idiotic comments of her saying that she could have done chest compressions to save him shows just how stupid she is and clueless about medical care.

floyd overdosed...her checking his pulse and her doing chest compression would have done shit.

only a doctor can declare them legally dead,, anyone with common sense and a little medical training can know if someone is dead,,

 

[Turtlesoup]

9 minutes face down on the ground with a knee on his neck is indefensible. According to testimony, an EMT tried to check Floyd's pulse and render aid but was ordered to get back.

At the very least Chauvin should go to prison for involuntary manslaughter.

emt? Ummm no......SHE was a supposed firefighter---not emt. She testified that she could have given chest compressions which btw would have done nothing----

She's a black activist who saw a black guy on the ground......She didn't care that he was a violent criminal nor does she care to address that he was overdosing on drugs. and she certainly doesn't want to mention that this violent habitual out of control criminal was 6 foot 7 inches..........and that allowing him up would have certainly put other peoples lives in danger.

She was WHITE.

and what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Plenty of white especially weak minded (especially drug damaged women) want to join a and any supposed victim cause (a huge group of idiots out there want to be activists for one idiotic cause or another).

She's an idiot, easily manipulated personality.........suffering from delusions of her medical ability and a complete lack of knowledge.

She wants to be seen as a hero (to the black activists) to increase her self esteem and to feel as part of a group---she is though still just an idiot, a tool.

Again, her claims of being prevented from given chest compressions----she wasn't authorized to be or work there. Her skill set was actually less than that of the cops who also have basic medical training (what this ignorant woman was referring to as her special medical training btw was simple CPR chest compressions.) She was part of the crowd whinning that a criminal had been taken down--they would have been whinning about any criminal being taken down in any way possible as the case so often now---black criminal taken down means the surrounding blacks gather or gang up to harass the cops which is why Chauvin ignored them. Criminals are now always saying that they can't breathe and the surrounding community is always screaming that the cops are abusing the poor little criminals regardless of the facts. She is there to shed tears and play on peoples emotions ---

But the cold hard facts still remain---Floyd, a very violent criminal that everyone should be happy is dead, died of drug overdose as he refused to be arrested by cops again. Chest compressions wouldn't have saved his criminal ass.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Nope, it says because of the lengthy knee press, Floyd died....the drugs and heart problems contributed, but were not the cause.

That is just not true. It may be what you want to believe. But everyone who knows anything about this case - at all - knows this is simply not true

 

[Care4all]

He broke police training rules by keeping his knee on Floyd, when Floyd was no longer fighting....

He kept his knee press on him for 4 minutes AFTER HE HAD PASSED OUT.

 

[Uncensored2008]

She was WHITE.

Is that even legal?

 

[Care4all]

She's an idiot, easily manipulated personality.........suffering from delusions of her medical ability and a complete lack of knowledge.

That sounds like you, spilling all of your made up shit....

She was there, you were not.

Who are we to believe? You?

That would be stupid and just plain silly....

 

[BS Filter]

Most likely they will get the medical examiner up there to explain. If it were just a drug overdose that killed Floyd, that's what the report would have said. It's not like they don't see OD's everyday.

They DID report it. The ME did - not the Reich press.

What Derick Chauvin did was horrible, and criminal. It was not however, the cause of death.

New court docs say George Floyd had "fatal level" of fentanyl in his system

The is a "facts vs. emotion" case.

From your linked article that you did not read....

-----------------


In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."

But then Baker added, "I am not saying this killed him."

----------

What do you think killed him?

What the medical examiner said killed him...


Dr. Stephen Nelson, chairman of Florida's medical examiners commission, who is not affiliated with the case, reviewed the new files and says that doesn't mean the drugs or health condition is what caused Floyd's death.

"We've all had cases where those kinds of of levels come into play. You've got to look at the whole picture," Nelson said. "It's one thing to die *with* something. It's another thing to die *from* something."

The documents say Baker performed the autopsy before watching the videos of police restraining Floyd, with Officer Derek Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck, because Baker wanted to avoid bias in his autopsy.

In Baker's final report after watching the videos, he ruled Floyd's death a homicide caused by "law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

The FBI asked the Armed Forces Medical Examiner to review Baker's autopsy and they agreed with his findings, writing "his death was caused by the police subdual and restraint" with cardiovascular disease and drug intoxication contributing."

so chuavin didnt murder him,,

He did kill him is what it says.

no it doesnt say that,,

if not for the drugs he wouldnt have died is what it says,,

Nope, it says because of the lengthy knee press, Floyd died....the drugs and heart problems contributed, but were not the cause.

That isn't the official report. Why are you lying?

Not lying, I'm using Uncensored's article linked.... It states specifically, this was what was given as the cause of death, in the final medical examiner's report. Period.

George Floyd's autopsy says his death was from underlying conditions

The preliminary results of Tuesday's autopsy on the body of George Floyd, 46, concluded it saw 'no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Care4all]

Nope, it says because of the lengthy knee press, Floyd died....the drugs and heart problems contributed, but were not the cause.

That is just not true. It may be what you want to believe. But everyone who knows anything about this case - at all - knows this is simply not true

Dr. Stephen Nelson, chairman of Florida's medical examiners commission, who is not affiliated with the case, reviewed the new files and says that doesn't mean the drugs or health condition is what caused Floyd's death.

"We've all had cases where those kinds of of levels come into play. You've got to look at the whole picture," Nelson said. "It's one thing to die *with* something. It's another thing to die *from* something."

The documents say Baker performed the autopsy before watching the videos of police restraining Floyd, with Officer Derek Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck, because Baker wanted to avoid bias in his autopsy.

In Baker's final report after watching the videos, he ruled Floyd's death a homicide caused by "law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

The FBI asked the Armed Forces Medical Examiner to review Baker's autopsy and they agreed with his findings, writing "his death was caused by the police subdual and restraint" with cardiovascular disease and drug intoxication contributing."


It is true.

You all have been believing a bunch of right wing lies..... Wouldn't know facts or truth if it hit you smack in the face, you are fed so many lies in your alternate universe....

 

[Blues Man]

I'm leaning towards first degree manslaughter.

 

[Care4all]

Most likely they will get the medical examiner up there to explain. If it were just a drug overdose that killed Floyd, that's what the report would have said. It's not like they don't see OD's everyday.

They DID report it. The ME did - not the Reich press.

What Derick Chauvin did was horrible, and criminal. It was not however, the cause of death.

New court docs say George Floyd had "fatal level" of fentanyl in his system

The is a "facts vs. emotion" case.

From your linked article that you did not read....

-----------------


In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."

But then Baker added, "I am not saying this killed him."

----------

What do you think killed him?

What the medical examiner said killed him...


Dr. Stephen Nelson, chairman of Florida's medical examiners commission, who is not affiliated with the case, reviewed the new files and says that doesn't mean the drugs or health condition is what caused Floyd's death.

"We've all had cases where those kinds of of levels come into play. You've got to look at the whole picture," Nelson said. "It's one thing to die *with* something. It's another thing to die *from* something."

The documents say Baker performed the autopsy before watching the videos of police restraining Floyd, with Officer Derek Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck, because Baker wanted to avoid bias in his autopsy.

In Baker's final report after watching the videos, he ruled Floyd's death a homicide caused by "law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

The FBI asked the Armed Forces Medical Examiner to review Baker's autopsy and they agreed with his findings, writing "his death was caused by the police subdual and restraint" with cardiovascular disease and drug intoxication contributing."

so chuavin didnt murder him,,

He did kill him is what it says.

no it doesnt say that,,

if not for the drugs he wouldnt have died is what it says,,

Nope, it says because of the lengthy knee press, Floyd died....the drugs and heart problems contributed, but were not the cause.

That isn't the official report. Why are you lying?

Not lying, I'm using Uncensored's article linked.... It states specifically, this was what was given as the cause of death, in the final medical examiner's report. Period.

George Floyd's autopsy says his death was from underlying conditions

The preliminary results of Tuesday's autopsy on the body of George Floyd, 46, concluded it saw 'no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

PRELIMINARY AUTOPSY

NOT

FINAL AUTOPSY

 

[BS Filter]

Most likely they will get the medical examiner up there to explain. If it were just a drug overdose that killed Floyd, that's what the report would have said. It's not like they don't see OD's everyday.

They DID report it. The ME did - not the Reich press.

What Derick Chauvin did was horrible, and criminal. It was not however, the cause of death.

New court docs say George Floyd had "fatal level" of fentanyl in his system

The is a "facts vs. emotion" case.

From your linked article that you did not read....

-----------------


In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."

But then Baker added, "I am not saying this killed him."

----------

What do you think killed him?

What the medical examiner said killed him...


Dr. Stephen Nelson, chairman of Florida's medical examiners commission, who is not affiliated with the case, reviewed the new files and says that doesn't mean the drugs or health condition is what caused Floyd's death.

"We've all had cases where those kinds of of levels come into play. You've got to look at the whole picture," Nelson said. "It's one thing to die *with* something. It's another thing to die *from* something."

The documents say Baker performed the autopsy before watching the videos of police restraining Floyd, with Officer Derek Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck, because Baker wanted to avoid bias in his autopsy.

In Baker's final report after watching the videos, he ruled Floyd's death a homicide caused by "law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

The FBI asked the Armed Forces Medical Examiner to review Baker's autopsy and they agreed with his findings, writing "his death was caused by the police subdual and restraint" with cardiovascular disease and drug intoxication contributing."

so chuavin didnt murder him,,

He did kill him is what it says.

no it doesnt say that,,

if not for the drugs he wouldnt have died is what it says,,

Nope, it says because of the lengthy knee press, Floyd died....the drugs and heart problems contributed, but were not the cause.

That isn't the official report. Why are you lying?

Not lying, I'm using Uncensored's article linked.... It states specifically, this was what was given as the cause of death, in the final medical examiner's report. Period.

George Floyd's autopsy says his death was from underlying conditions

The preliminary results of Tuesday's autopsy on the body of George Floyd, 46, concluded it saw 'no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

PRELIMINARY AUTOPSY

NOT

FINAL AUTOPSY

Are you quoting from the report that the family paid for?

 

[j-mac]

Not saying the cop is an angel here...
But what has bothered me from the get go was Floyd telling the cops he is going to die, I ma afraid to die, don't live me alone in the car I am scared (which is why he resisted going into car)
This man knew he took a lethal dose of a drug. He knew it. Obviously.
So why when asked by the officers twice did you take something - he said no.
He would still be here today if he had told officers he took that much fentanyl. Cops carry antidotes in their cars.

Not sure what kneeling on the neck for nearly 10 mins solved.

Irrelevant to the point.
I already said "not that the cop was an angel" - I didn't dismiss that, you all are willing to dismiss Floyd's contribution to his death. Which is why it isn't Murder. Like I said from the get-go - to me, this is negligent homicide.

It's not irrelevant at all in my mind. But, I'll withhold judgment until the jury speaks.

 

[j-mac]

Do you have something showing the resistance? Because I didn’t see anything particularly aggregious in that video.

Egregious.

Regardless, the question isn't whether Floyd resisted, it's whether the restraint was the cause of death. The medical examiner has already reported that drug overdose is the cause of death.

The LEGAL question isn't whether Chauvin did wrong, but whether his actions caused the death of Floyd.

Since factually they did not, then the prosecution will rely on emotion and outrage of the abuse of power by Chauvin, while the defense will try and used the facts.

Then that will come out in the verdict will it not?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Again, watching the 30 plus minute body cams from the cops who arrested him.

PROBLEMS FOR THE PROSECUTION
1) When first handcuffed, Floyd seemed reasonably sober. Talking back and forth with the first cop.. asking questions etc.
2) In just a couple minutes you can see that Floyd is starting to get intoxicated. His speech is slurred, starts not making a lot of sense...rambling.
3) Within 5 minutes Floyd is now clearly under the influence. The officer asks him "Have you taken something?" - GEORGE SAYS NO. The cop asks "What's going on? You are starting to make me nervous, you are not acting right, calm down"
4) Officer takes George across the street where there are more officers. Officer can't calm him down.
5) Officer asks George to sit in the patrol car, George says "I am scared, I don't want to die!... "Don't leave me alone, I'm serious man, I will die" "I don't want to die today, I am a good guy". "Don't leave me alone, promise me"
6) George now refuses to sit in the car due to his pronounced paranoia. Talks about dying, just let me go.
7) Three cops try to get him into the squad car. He resist, he then kicks at the two officers.
8) And that is when Chauvin places his knee on Floyd because the three officers could not control him.

This is the video prosecution only shows clips of. They don't want the jury to see the whole video.
George Floyd knew he took a lethal dose. He knew it. Why the hell else was he over and over and over talking about he was afraid of dying, and telling officers to not leave him alone??? But twice he was asked if he took something and he said NO.
Officers carry narcan in their vehicles in many cities. Do they here?

 

[ClaireH]

Dick Chauvin hated George Floyd from when they were bouncers at the same club. George worked inside while Derek was assigned to monitor the parking lot. Their shifts were different but overlapped some. Chauvin murdered Floyd on purpose.

Do you have a link about Floyd and Chauvin regarding any detailed reports about their hx at the club? I’ve read that the former club owner from that time said she had never seen them talking together and wasn’t sure they knew each other working in different areas of the club, but owners don’t always know all actions of their employees. When two employees work security at the same club, you’d think the parking lot guards would be talking to the inside security guards about possible incidents or particular patrons to keep an eye on when they leave, but what do I know. That’s where my mind went when the first story broke and the reporter relayed that the two had worked at that club together. I automatically assumed they had some bad blood between each other over something, but I have not found anything to support that. I haven’t caught any of the trial today so perhaps that information was put to bed already.

 

[BS Filter]

Floyd said he was "hooping". That means hiding drugs in his rectum.

 

[ClaireH]

The crowd was pleading with police to let Floyd up....Floyd was obvously unconscious and unresponsive and the cop kept his knee on his neck.

The crowd is begging to check his pulse. I never saw this before. I thought the cop couldnt tell.

Fuck man....I dunno.

Has anyone seen that specific video before? With the crowd pleading with police? I had not.

It’s going come down to the time factor. Reportedly, that foot to neck technique is one used when a criminal is resisting, however, after four minutes.....five minutes ....six minutes, nope. Hard to buy it was necessary force from viewing the tape. As many have pointed out with witnesses viewing the same thing who were not related and didn’t know the perp will also weigh in big time.

Oh stop with the stupid.

Knee to neck did not kill our druggy floyd. Whether there was a knee or not---floyd was going to die from his drug abuse.

You might be right. The problem with this case is the time element of beyond when Floyd wasn’t moving. This type of restraint is something used for perpetrators resisting arrest. Was this training maneuver used appropriately do you think? That will be in the minds of the 12 jurors. Only one hold out, stuck on a question about available police response options not used maybe ...and it’s a hung jury. I know you don’t like it, but the video is going to impact the verdict. Seems like both men had (well, one still “has”) personal issues, and one died from either one or two causes.

It’s a human trait to believe what our eyes tell us to believe. Unfortunately, this tried and true method is soon about to get a lot messier, although I hate being a naysayer. It’s going to be a real problem when we have all of these fake “layered videos” released and if the LSM runs them as legit nobody will be able to believe anything that we don’t see for ourselves first hand.

 

[progressive hunter]

 

[BS Filter]

The defense is relying on emotion. The witnesses have gone through 4 boxes of Kleenex.