The unsustainability of "green" energy

[P@triot]

That is a very good thing that you are not allowed to own a fully automatic rifle. I have friends who do legally own such. I would have to assume that you have a mental defect that precludes you from having a license to own such. The Supreme Court has stated that you do not have the right to own such a weapon without demonstrating that you are not a menace to society with such a weapon, and that is the way it will remain.

No...you do not have any friends that own a modern fully automatic weapon, you senile old asshole. They were banned by a federal government with no constitutional authority to do so. Existing full automatic weapons at the time (such as Uzi's, Thompson sub-machine guns, etc.) were rightfully grandfathered in. Your friends might own one of those - but nothing from the 1990's or the 21st Century.

Your ignorance of firearm laws is exceeded only by your ignorance of the U.S. Constitution.

 

[P@triot]

This is why limp-wristed progressive cowards aren't tasked with defending this nation. You absolutely can defend against any tactic, you dimwit.

Alright, pencils down and eyes to the front of the class. You can't have a war against a tactic, because it is not a tangible enemy. There is no way to tell when the war is over. You cannot determine when you'll have your VE Day. Or VJ Day. Que pasa, mutha?

Please see the words bolded in blue above. Reading comprehension matters.

 

[P@triot]

You can't have a war against a tactic, because it is not a tangible enemy. There is no way to tell when the war is over.

Again...this is why the left is never tasked with defending this nation. Defense is never "over". It is not a basketball game where everyone goes home when the clock hits 00:00. It is 24x7x365 for enternity.

There is a reason that even Barack Insane Obama didn't call the troops home. If you "end the war" as you idiotically keep calling for, we experience another 9/11.

 

[danielpalos]

Especially in modern corporate welfare times.

Says the person who vehemently defends Barack Insane Obama for throwing over a trillion dollars at GM, Chrysler, Wall Street, Solyndra, and more.

Mr. Obama had to bailout the rich, not blacks.

The right wing complains more about welfare for the poor, than they do for the rich.

 

[danielpalos]

I am working on the, "political angle". With polygamy, every woman can marry a nice guy.

Women don't want nice guys; they want danger boy.

That is not what they claim on their gender studies.

 

[Billo_Really]

Please see the words bolded in blue above. Reading comprehension matters.

It was wrong the first time you wrote it and its wrong now.

But just for the sake of argument, lets say you're right. That would mean it is okay for Iraqis to shoot invading US troops for the terrorism we brought to their shores.

 

[Billo_Really]

Again...this is why the left is never tasked with defending this nation. Defense is never "over". It is not a basketball game where everyone goes home when the clock hits 00:00. It is 24x7x365 for enternity.

There is a reason that even Barack Insane Obama didn't call the troops home. If you "end the war" as you idiotically keep calling for, we experience another 9/11.

Using your logic, then we are still at war with Germany and Japan.

 

[danielpalos]

Technology is improving all the time:

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Source: Technology - SolarWindow

 

[P@triot]

Especially in modern corporate welfare times.

Says the person who vehemently defends Barack Insane Obama for throwing over a trillion dollars at GM, Chrysler, Wall Street, Solyndra, and more.

Mr. Obama had to bailout the rich, not blacks.

I rest my case. The person whining the loudest about "corporate welfare" is the person who supports and defends "corporate welfare" the most.

It's a good thing you already had zero credibility on this board Daniel because your idiotic comments contradicting themselves here would have completely destroyed your credibility if you had had some.

 

[mamooth]

Reality just keeps smacking the snowflakes around. That's why they're here rage-weeping. You'd think they'd be used to the pain and humiliation by now.

U.S. Solar Market Insight | SEIA
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The U.S. installed 2,387 megawatts (MW) of solar PV in Q2 2017 to reach 47.1 gigawatts (GW) of total installed capacity, enough to power 9.1 million American homes. This represents an 8% increase over the same quarter last year, and the industry is poised to install more than 12 GW of solar capacity before the end of 2017.
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Solar installations always peak in the fourth quarter of each year. Probably has to do with taxes.

 

[danielpalos]

Especially in modern corporate welfare times.

Says the person who vehemently defends Barack Insane Obama for throwing over a trillion dollars at GM, Chrysler, Wall Street, Solyndra, and more.

Mr. Obama had to bailout the rich, not blacks.

I rest my case. The person whining the loudest about "corporate welfare" is the person who supports and defends "corporate welfare" the most.

It's a good thing you already had zero credibility on this board Daniel because your idiotic comments contradicting themselves here would have completely destroyed your credibility if you had had some.

I am not the one whining about welfare for Individuals.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Reality just keeps smacking the snowflakes around. That's why they're here rage-weeping. You'd think they'd be used to the pain and humiliation by now.

U.S. Solar Market Insight | SEIA
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The U.S. installed 2,387 megawatts (MW) of solar PV in Q2 2017 to reach 47.1 gigawatts (GW) of total installed capacity, enough to power 9.1 million American homes. This represents an 8% increase over the same quarter last year, and the industry is poised to install more than 12 GW of solar capacity before the end of 2017.
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Solar installations always peak in the fourth quarter of each year. Probably has to do with taxes.

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source?
In 2016, about 4.08 trillion kilowatthours (kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale facilities in the United States. About 65% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases), about 20% was from nuclear energy, and about 15% was from renewable energy sources. The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that an additional 19 billion kWh (or about 0.02 trillion kWh) of electricity generation was from small-scale solar photovoltaic systems in 2016.

Major energy sources and percent shares of U.S. electricity generation at utility-scale facilities in 2016

• Natural gas = 33.8%
• Coal = 30.4%
• Nuclear = 19.7%
• Renewables (total) = 14.9%
  • Hydropower = 6.5%
  • Wind = 5.6%
  • Biomass = 1.5%
    
  • Solar = 0.9%
  • Geothermal = 0.4%
• Petroleum = 0.6%
• Other gases = 0.3%
• Other nonrenewable sources = 0.3%
• Pumped storage hydroelectricity = -0.2%4

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)3

Solar, 0.9% of 4.08 trillion kWh, about 36.72 billion kWh of utility scale production plus 19 billion kWh from small scale solar adds up to almost 56 billion kWh in 2016.

The U.S. installed 2,387 megawatts (MW) of solar PV in Q2 2017 to reach 47.1 gigawatts (GW) of total installed capacity,

47.1 GW, or 47,100 MW, or 47,100,000 KW of installed capacity times 8760 hours would produce 412,596,000,000 kWh/year. 412.596 billion kWh versus 56 billion kWh of actual output.
Wow! Even if we assume average installed capacity last year was only 37 GW, that still gives about 17% output versus "installed capacity".

47.1 gigawatts (GW) of total installed capacity, enough to power 9.1 million American homes.

Or about 17% of 9.1 million.

 

[Old Rocks]

That is a very good thing that you are not allowed to own a fully automatic rifle. I have friends who do legally own such. I would have to assume that you have a mental defect that precludes you from having a license to own such. The Supreme Court has stated that you do not have the right to own such a weapon without demonstrating that you are not a menace to society with such a weapon, and that is the way it will remain.

No...you do not have any friends that own a modern fully automatic weapon, you senile old asshole. They were banned by a federal government with no constitutional authority to do so. Existing full automatic weapons at the time (such as Uzi's, Thompson sub-machine guns, etc.) were rightfully grandfathered in. Your friends might own one of those - but nothing from the 1990's or the 21st Century.

Your ignorance of firearm laws is exceeded only by your ignorance of the U.S. Constitution.

And you are a ******* idiot.

Machine Guns Are Legal: A Practical Guide to Full Auto - The Firearm Blog

I love machine guns. They don’t call the selectors on automatic firearms “fun switches” for nothing, and I have yet to hand off a machine gun to someone and have it not bring a smile to their face (it brings me joy exposing people to full auto for the first time). For the sake of this article, the word “machine gun” will meet the ATF’s definition: Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

The machine gun was invented by American Hiram Maxim, and interestingly enough, the USA is one of the few countries on the planet where regular folks can in fact own a fully automatic firearm. In fact,machine guns have never been illegal in the USA on a federal level. They are heavily regulated, but not illegal at all.

 

[Old Rocks]

Reality just keeps smacking the snowflakes around. That's why they're here rage-weeping. You'd think they'd be used to the pain and humiliation by now.

U.S. Solar Market Insight | SEIA
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The U.S. installed 2,387 megawatts (MW) of solar PV in Q2 2017 to reach 47.1 gigawatts (GW) of total installed capacity, enough to power 9.1 million American homes. This represents an 8% increase over the same quarter last year, and the industry is poised to install more than 12 GW of solar capacity before the end of 2017.
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Solar installations always peak in the fourth quarter of each year. Probably has to do with taxes.

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source?
In 2016, about 4.08 trillion kilowatthours (kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale facilities in the United States. About 65% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases), about 20% was from nuclear energy, and about 15% was from renewable energy sources. The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that an additional 19 billion kWh (or about 0.02 trillion kWh) of electricity generation was from small-scale solar photovoltaic systems in 2016.

Major energy sources and percent shares of U.S. electricity generation at utility-scale facilities in 2016

• Natural gas = 33.8%
• Coal = 30.4%
• Nuclear = 19.7%
• Renewables (total) = 14.9%
  • Hydropower = 6.5%
  • Wind = 5.6%
  • Biomass = 1.5%
    
  • Solar = 0.9%
  • Geothermal = 0.4%
• Petroleum = 0.6%
• Other gases = 0.3%
• Other nonrenewable sources = 0.3%
• Pumped storage hydroelectricity = -0.2%4

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)3

Solar, 0.9% of 4.08 trillion kWh, about 36.72 billion kWh of utility scale production plus 19 billion kWh from small scale solar adds up to almost 56 billion kWh in 2016.

The U.S. installed 2,387 megawatts (MW) of solar PV in Q2 2017 to reach 47.1 gigawatts (GW) of total installed capacity,

47.1 GW, or 47,100 MW, or 47,100,000 KW of installed capacity times 8760 hours would produce 412,596,000,000 kWh/year. 412.596 billion kWh versus 56 billion kWh of actual output.
Wow! Even if we assume average installed capacity last year was only 37 GW, that still gives about 17% output versus "installed capacity".

47.1 gigawatts (GW) of total installed capacity, enough to power 9.1 million American homes.

Or about 17% of 9.1 million.

Well yes, that is the present situation. But at the rate that wind and solar are increasing, soon they will be our primary source of energy. Compounding percentages grow rather quickly.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Stopped by an old customer last week, a green energy recyling set up, turning plastic back into oil. Got there the building was mty.....they are on their 2rd retooling. First gig failed dont know what the middle one was, now they are setting up to process used oil. Wonder who is paying for all this. Gotta be talkimg millions of dollars each time in just new equip much less the high end technicians needed to set it up all up. Dont know of any companies that get to fail that spectacularly and keep on going.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Reality just keeps smacking the snowflakes around. That's why they're here rage-weeping. You'd think they'd be used to the pain and humiliation by now.

U.S. Solar Market Insight | SEIA
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The U.S. installed 2,387 megawatts (MW) of solar PV in Q2 2017 to reach 47.1 gigawatts (GW) of total installed capacity, enough to power 9.1 million American homes. This represents an 8% increase over the same quarter last year, and the industry is poised to install more than 12 GW of solar capacity before the end of 2017.
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Solar installations always peak in the fourth quarter of each year. Probably has to do with taxes.

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source?
In 2016, about 4.08 trillion kilowatthours (kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale facilities in the United States. About 65% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases), about 20% was from nuclear energy, and about 15% was from renewable energy sources. The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that an additional 19 billion kWh (or about 0.02 trillion kWh) of electricity generation was from small-scale solar photovoltaic systems in 2016.

Major energy sources and percent shares of U.S. electricity generation at utility-scale facilities in 2016

• Natural gas = 33.8%
• Coal = 30.4%
• Nuclear = 19.7%
• Renewables (total) = 14.9%
  • Hydropower = 6.5%
  • Wind = 5.6%
  • Biomass = 1.5%
    
  • Solar = 0.9%
  • Geothermal = 0.4%
• Petroleum = 0.6%
• Other gases = 0.3%
• Other nonrenewable sources = 0.3%
• Pumped storage hydroelectricity = -0.2%4

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)3

Solar, 0.9% of 4.08 trillion kWh, about 36.72 billion kWh of utility scale production plus 19 billion kWh from small scale solar adds up to almost 56 billion kWh in 2016.

The U.S. installed 2,387 megawatts (MW) of solar PV in Q2 2017 to reach 47.1 gigawatts (GW) of total installed capacity,

47.1 GW, or 47,100 MW, or 47,100,000 KW of installed capacity times 8760 hours would produce 412,596,000,000 kWh/year. 412.596 billion kWh versus 56 billion kWh of actual output.
Wow! Even if we assume average installed capacity last year was only 37 GW, that still gives about 17% output versus "installed capacity".

47.1 gigawatts (GW) of total installed capacity, enough to power 9.1 million American homes.

Or about 17% of 9.1 million.

Well yes, that is the present situation. But at the rate that wind and solar are increasing, soon they will be our primary source of energy. Compounding percentages grow rather quickly.

Well yes, that is the present situation.

Yes, one-sixth (or less) of installed capacity is actual output.

But at the rate that wind and solar are increasing, soon they will be our primary source of energy.

Soon? When?

Compounding percentages grow rather quickly.

Only when you're handing out taxpayer checks.

 

[Old Rocks]

And if the coal companies cease to receive those checks, they will be out of business even more quickly. And the oil companies might make a few less billions.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And if the coal companies cease to receive those checks, they will be out of business even more quickly. And the oil companies might make a few less billions.

Coal companies are receiving government checks?
Tell me more!

 

[Old Rocks]

How much subsidy does coal get?
The federal government provided substantially larger subsidies to fossil fuels than to renewables. Subsidies to fossil fuels—a mature, developed industry that has enjoyed government support for many years—totaled approximately $72 billion over the study period, representing a direct cost to taxpayers.
Federal coal subsidies - SourceWatch
www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Federal_coal_subsidies

There

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Coal
The study singled out the following major subsidies benefiting the coal industry:

• Credit for Production of Nonconventional Fuels (annual subsidy: $14 billion)- IRC Section 45K. This provision provides a tax credit for the production of certain fuels. Qualifying fuels include: oil from shale, tar sands; gas from geopressurized brine, Devonian shale, coal seams, tight formations, biomass, and coal-based synthetic fuels. This credit has historically primarily benefited coal producers.
• Characterizing Coal Royalty Payments as Capital Gains (annual subsidy: $986 million) - IRC Section 631(c). Income from the sale of coal under royalty contract may be treated as a capital gain rather than ordinary income for qualifying individuals. (The 2011 report, "What Would Jefferson Do?: The Historical Role of Federal Subsidies in Shaping America’s Energy Future" calculated this subsidy totaled over $1.3 billion in government tax expenditures from 2000 – 2009.)
• Exclusion of Benefit Payments to Disabled Miners (annual subsidy: $438 million) - 30 U.S.C. 922(c). Disability payments out of the Black Lung Disability Trust Fund are not treated as income to the recipients.
• Exclusion of Alternative Fuels from Fuel Excise Tax (annual subsiy: $343 million) - IRC Section 6426(d). This section applies to liquified petroleum gas (LPG), P-series fuels (defined at 42 U.S.C. 13211(2)), compressed natural gas (CNG), liquefied natural gas (LNG), liquefied hydrogen,3 liquid coal, and liquid hydrocarbon from biomass.
• Other-Fuel Exploration & Development Expensing (annual subsidy: $342 million) - IRC Section 617. Identical provisions as applied to oil and gas (above). Including, for example, the costs of surface stripping, and construction of shafts and tunnels.
• Other-Fuel Excess of Percentage over Cost Depletion (annual subsidy: $323 million)- IRC Section 613. Taxpayers may deduct 10 percent of gross income from coal production.
• Credit for Clean Coal Investment ($186 million)- IRC Sections 48A and 48B. Available for 20 percent of the basis of integrated gasification combined cycle property and 15 percent of the basis for other advanced coal-based generation technologies.
• Special Rules for Mining Reclamation Reserves ($159) - IRC Section 468. This deduction is available for early payments into reserve trusts, with eligibility determined by the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act and the Solid Waste Management Act. The amounts attributable to mines rather than solid-waste facilities are conservatively assumed to be one-half of the total.
• The Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program ($6.3 billion) - The main structure of the program is to provide low-income households with the means to make their utility payments, the vast majority of which is energy generated by fossil fuels. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has tabulated the percentage of households using fossil versus non-fossil heating fuels in 2001, and ELI used the percentage as a proxy for fossil versus non-fossil expenditures for 2002-2008.
• Black Lung Disability Trust Fund ($1 billion) - pays health benefits to coal miners afflicted with pneumoconiosis, a long-term degenerative disease from constant inhalation of coal dust, also known as “black lung.” Created in 1978, it is funded through an excise tax on coal to support a trust fund covering health costs of affected workers, however the tax is not sufficient to cover all costs, and the BLDTF was given “indefinite authority to borrow” from the U.S. General Fund. By the end of FY 2008, the BLDTF had accrued nearly $13 billion in debt. In 2008, Congress partially “bailed out” the BLDTF, which ELI tabulated as a subsidy to coal.

These are subsidies for coal?