The Unanswerable Question

[PoliticalChic]

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LOL! Here we have an Asian calling the virus the chinese virus. How dumb can one person be?

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What part of her being a United States citizen don't you understand?

*****HAPPY SMILE*****

(Psssssttt.....
Don't scare him away......slappin' him around has become a hobby of mine.)

My arm got tired from beating the fool so I finally put the ass on ignore and assigned him to the peanut gallery.

Explaining this complex situation to him would be like putting an elevator in an out-house.

 

[Kilroy2]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

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So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

 

[Kilroy2]

How many cases of/ deaths from the Wuhan Chinese virus???

1. There is no way to tell, because the power in charge of collecting the data are simply claiming every death to be due to this virus.
Of course, this is only explainable if it has a political motive.

“The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID- 19 being the underlying cause more often than not,” the guidelines read.
“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry


As we have yet to reach the total death rate reported in 2019 for the same time period (January 1st and April 9th), it appears that there is something seriously wrong with the way this pandemic has been reported and handled by the medical community, the media, and the politicians.
Pathetically, it most likely isn’t going to get better when as of April 8, 2020, all patients with coronavirus are now being classified as “Death due to COVID-19,” regardless of the real cause of death. This draconian method of manipulating data to conform to your hypothesis is pure evil. It allows the medical community, the media, and politicians to cover up their errors, distort their miscalculations, and falsify their reports so that they can justify even further measures that will attempt to control, manipulate, and profit from those who don’t understand the importance of “statistical significance”.
Statistically Significant: Why It Makes a Difference - Tom McFie


2. This statistic should be a clue:
"But we need to investigate even deeper to really understand the facts of what is going on during this pandemic. According to the CDC, 2,841,600 people died in the US in 2019. That averages out to be 236,800 per month. Yet only 501,444 deaths have occurred nationwide this year between January 1, 2020, to April 9. Averaging the death rate over the first 3 months of 2019, there should have been 710,400 deaths, not merely 501,444, especially since the death rate for the flu is historically highest in January, February, and March. "
Statistically Significant: Why It Makes a Difference - Tom McFie


3. Could it be named other that the Wuhan coronavirus?
"This week last year, Mexico registered 671 new cases of acute respiratory infections. This week this year, Mexico registered 12,000 new cases.
According to health ministry data, acute respiratory infections in Mexico are reportedly up 50 percent this season compared to the previous year, which is certainly attributable to underreported cases of the Wuhan coronavirus."
No Surge of Coronavirus in Mexico, Just 'Acute Lung Infections'

'Certainly' means 'maybe.'


4. "...Mexico had 12,872 confirmed coronavirus cases and 1,221 deaths. Deputy Health Minister Hugo Lopez Gatell has said this model may require the number of confirmed cases to be multiplied by eight to get the full picture.
Some experts say the real multiplier could be as high as 30, which would bring the total number of cases to around 386,000, second only to the U.S...."

Mexico Acute Lung Infections Up 50%, Imply Covid Undercount

Severe acute respiratory infections in Mexico spiked 50% this season compared with a year ago, almost certainly all due to coronavirus, suggesting that government figures on Covid-19 cases are far too low.

www.bloomberg.com

Another faulty 'model' from what we call 'science'???


5. Here are some supporting data, reported by the Center for Disease Control (CDC), which mathematically and scientifically back up this bold hypothesis.

Out of 327.2 million people, there were 501,444 total deaths in the United States from January 1, through April 8th this year

4,065 of those deaths were from COVID-19

4,467 of those deaths were from the flu

35,230 of those deaths were from pneumonia

1,879 of these pneumonia cases also had COVID-19

Here we have some data that we use to calculate some scientific mathematical facts, not propaganda.

0.153% of the US population died between January 1 and April 4, 2020

0.81% of those deaths (0.001242% of the population) were due to COVID-19

0.89% of those deaths (0.001352% of the population) were due to the flu

766.67% more deaths have occurred from pneumonia than from COVID-19
Statistically Significant: Why It Makes a Difference - Tom McFie



Without an epidemic to blame on Trump, the Democrat chances to win in November are dwindling......

How many cases of/ deaths from the Wuhan Chinese virus???

1. There is no way to tell, because the power in charge of collecting the data are simply claiming every death to be due to this virus.
Of course, this is only explainable if it has a political motive.

Your hypothesis is flawed. Political motive goes both ways

Still the below is a standard way death certificates are used. It has not changed since the cornovirus hit.

CAUSE OF DEATH QUICK FACT SHEET
Responsibility in regard to death registration: • Verify the date and time of death entered on the certificate. • Complete the CERTIFIER section (items 24a through 25d) and sign the certificate in item 25a. The physician should not sign the death certificate in item 25e, nor complete items 25f-25g. These items are reserved for the County Coroner. • Complete the CAUSE OF DEATH section (items 26a through 30). Note that item 30 refers only to pregnancies of deceased females within a year preceding death. It does not ask if a deceased female had ever been pregnant. • Deliver the signed death certificate to the appropriate funeral home within 72 hours of the death. Responsibility in regard to death certification: PART I The purpose of this section of the death certificate is for the physician to indicate what the underlying cause of death was and what intervening conditions, if any, led to the immediate cause of death. Enter only one disease or condition on each line in this section and do not use abbreviations. For each condition, indicate at the end of the line the approximate interval between the date of onset and the date of death. • Report the immediate cause of death on line 26(a). This should be the final disease or complication directly causing the death. This condition should not just indicate the mode of dying, which merely attests to the fact of death and is not specifically related to the disease process. The following are examples of modes of dying which should not be listed as the immediate cause of death: Cardiac Arrest Cardiopulmonary Arrest Respiratory Arrest Respiratory Failure Failure to Thrive Multi Organ/System Failure • The following terms are examples of acceptable immediate causes of death. However, these conditions would probably not be the underlying cause of death and would require the physician to list their underlying cause on the next line below: Bronchopneumonia Pulmonary Embolism Acute Myocardial Infarct Coagulopathy Intercerebral Hemorrhage Congestive Heart Failure Liver Failure Metastases • After assigning an immediate cause of death, ask yourself, “What was the immediate cause due to?” If another disease or condition gave rise to the immediate cause of death, report that condition on line 26(b). If this in turn resulted from another condition, enter that condition on line 26(c), and if this condition was caused by another condition, enter it online 26(d). For as many conditions as were involved, enter the full sequence, one condition per line, in reverse sequential order. Lines can be inserted, if needed, by marking them as 26(e), 26(f), etc. • Enter the condition that has been determined to be the underlying cause of death on the lowest line in Part I. Use as many lines in Part I as necessary to show the sequence of events that led to the death. If the sequence to be entered consists of more than four causes, see illustration below for the method to be used in recording the causes.

Coronovirus if present has to be included. Other thing if related will be included. Coronovirus in the body can cause failure and deterioration in parts of the body.

example
In Brescia, Italy, a 53-year-old woman walked into the emergency room of her local hospital with all the classic symptoms of a heart attack, including telltale signs in her electrocardiogram and high levels of a blood marker suggesting damaged cardiac muscles. Further tests showed cardiac swelling and scarring, and a left ventricle—normally the powerhouse chamber of the heart—so weak that it could only pump one-third its normal amount of blood. But when doctors injected dye in the coronary arteries, looking for the blockage that signifies a heart attack, they found none. Another test revealed why: The woman had COVID-19.

Cause of death. Since this is a new disease many may not be familiar with it and when determining cause of death they could easily ignore COVID-19.

COVID-19 starts out in the lungs like the common cold coronaviruses, but then causes havoc with the immune system that can lead to long-term lung damage or death.

IT does cause death

it invades human cells and reproduces. The body reacts and tries to kill the invader with a nuclear option. This cause massive destruction with the purpose to kill the virus. Unfortunately it response contributes to causing more problems. The virus fights back to prevent the immune symptom from calling for help. The immune system is important. It will determine if they live or die.

The good news is that most people will survive and the younger they are the better chances.

age 10 or younger who are health will bounce easily

Under 40 will mostly bounce back assuming they are health

Older people tend to have hardest time in fighting these disease. Which clearly brings into the focus why age is important and ones medical condition from living a long time plays a role.

Thus if medical professional suspects COVID-19 then they have to report it. It will be up to the coroner to confirm this.

CDC cause of death certificate 2004 which is still be used.

Part I is for reporting a chain of events leading directly to death, with the immediate cause of death (the final disease, injury, or complication directly causing death)

Part II is for reporting all other significant diseases, conditions, or injuries that contributed to death but which did not result in the underlying cause of death given in Part I. The cause-of-death information should be YOUR best medical OPINION. A condition can be listed as “probable” even if it has not been definitively diagnosed.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf

its a very thorough document made in 2004, years before the COVID - 19 and is still being used today.

Do they do autopsies on everyone?

Although laws vary, nearly all states call for an autopsy when someone dies in a suspicious, unusual, or unnatural way. Many states have one done when a person dies without a doctor present

In 20 states and the District of Columbia, a pathologist -- a doctor who specializes in the study of disease and injury -- has to do the autopsy.

Twenty-seven states require it if the cause of death is suspected to be from a public health threat, such as a fast-spreading disease or tainted food.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

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So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[Kilroy2]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

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So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

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Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

I do not need a gun to move freely but appears you need your guns to move freely

Knock Knock Knock

 

[Damaged Eagle]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

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So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

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Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

I do not need a gun to move freely but appears you need your guns to move freely

Knock Knock Knock

I thought you were going to stay in your safe room where people like myself don't bother you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[PoliticalChic]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

View attachment 331523

So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

View attachment 332174

Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

I do not need a gun to move freely but appears you need your guns to move freely

Knock Knock Knock

View attachment 332417

I thought you were going to stay in your safe room where people like myself don't bother you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

It appears that you've had some previous interaction with out pal, Kilroy.

And not the most pleasant.

 

[Kilroy2]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

View attachment 331523

So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

View attachment 332174

Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

I do not need a gun to move freely but appears you need your guns to move freely

Knock Knock Knock

View attachment 332417

I thought you were going to stay in your safe room where people like myself don't bother you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Redirect Notice

Yeah these guys thought it would be a good idea to hold a protest armed to the teeth in support of there favorite bar that has been closed. Demanding that it be reopen as there life were at a standstill

 

[Kilroy2]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

View attachment 331523

So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

View attachment 332174

Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

I do not need a gun to move freely but appears you need your guns to move freely

Knock Knock Knock

View attachment 332417

I thought you were going to stay in your safe room where people like myself don't bother you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Yeah these guys decided to have a protest with all there gun that they owned. Protesting the governor shut down orders of their favorite bar. Seems they can't survive without going to this bar. I mean they have plenty of guns and you would suspect them to be happy. l But they really need that bar to reopen.

Texas which has a republican governor and these guys will spend the night in jail. I hope they won't miss work tomorrow. Moving about with their guns like it was the wild wild west. The thing they feared the most - We can't go to our bar.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

View attachment 331523

So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

View attachment 332174

Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

I do not need a gun to move freely but appears you need your guns to move freely

Knock Knock Knock

View attachment 332417

I thought you were going to stay in your safe room where people like myself don't bother you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

It appears that you've had some previous interaction with out pal, Kilroy.

And not the most pleasant.

Nah! This one's a ^^^. Waiting to see what's next.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[Damaged Eagle]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

View attachment 331523

So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

View attachment 332174

Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

I do not need a gun to move freely but appears you need your guns to move freely

Knock Knock Knock

View attachment 332417

I thought you were going to stay in your safe room where people like myself don't bother you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Redirect Notice

Yeah these guys thought it would be a good idea to hold a protest armed to the teeth in support of there favorite bar that has been closed. Demanding that it be reopen as there life were at a standstill

I can tell you have no idea what it means to be armed to the teeth.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[Damaged Eagle]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

View attachment 331523

So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

View attachment 332174

Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

I do not need a gun to move freely but appears you need your guns to move freely

Knock Knock Knock

View attachment 332417

I thought you were going to stay in your safe room where people like myself don't bother you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Yeah these guys decided to have a protest with all there gun that they owned. Protesting the governor shut down orders of their favorite bar. Seems they can't survive without going to this bar. I mean they have plenty of guns and you would suspect them to be happy. l But they really need that bar to reopen.

Texas which has a republican governor and these guys will spend the night in jail. I hope they won't miss work tomorrow. Moving about with their guns like it was the wild wild west. The thing they feared the most - We can't go to our bar.


View attachment 332479

I don't see a link... Is it...

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

LOL! Here we have an Asian calling the virus the chinese virus. How dumb can one person be?

I dont think shes Chinese, or do they all look alike to you?

 

[Kilroy2]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

View attachment 331523

So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

View attachment 332174

Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

I do not need a gun to move freely but appears you need your guns to move freely

Knock Knock Knock

View attachment 332417

I thought you were going to stay in your safe room where people like myself don't bother you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Yeah these guys decided to have a protest with all there gun that they owned. Protesting the governor shut down orders of their favorite bar. Seems they can't survive without going to this bar. I mean they have plenty of guns and you would suspect them to be happy. l But they really need that bar to reopen.

Texas which has a republican governor and these guys will spend the night in jail. I hope they won't miss work tomorrow. Moving about with their guns like it was the wild wild west. The thing they feared the most - We can't go to our bar.


View attachment 332479

View attachment 332490

I don't see a link... Is it...

*****CHUCKLE*****

Here is your link, now tell me your story but then again don't bother tough guy

Open Texas protestors arrested outside of Odessa bar

A rally in support of Big Daddy Zane's Bar spurred the response of the Odessa SWAT team.

www.newswest9.com

They came for these guys guns and they threw there hands up. They caught me with my hands up , Shooter, shooter, my hands up, my hands up

its like looking at the mirror. I bet the police got those guns. Then again maybe Trump will pardon them

UPDATE: Ector County Sheriff's Office identifies suspects arrested at West Odessa bar

A bar owner and protesters with weapons were arrested in West Odessa on Monday after the bar was reopened against Governor Greg Abbott's orders.

www.cbs7.com

Poster boys for Defying a fellow repub governor that they probably voted for


They do eat there own

Well good night sweet prince case closed

 

[Damaged Eagle]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

View attachment 331523

So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

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Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

I do not need a gun to move freely but appears you need your guns to move freely

Knock Knock Knock

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I thought you were going to stay in your safe room where people like myself don't bother you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Yeah these guys decided to have a protest with all there gun that they owned. Protesting the governor shut down orders of their favorite bar. Seems they can't survive without going to this bar. I mean they have plenty of guns and you would suspect them to be happy. l But they really need that bar to reopen.

Texas which has a republican governor and these guys will spend the night in jail. I hope they won't miss work tomorrow. Moving about with their guns like it was the wild wild west. The thing they feared the most - We can't go to our bar.


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I don't see a link... Is it...

*****CHUCKLE*****

Here is your link, now tell me your story but then again don't bother tough guy

Open Texas protestors arrested outside of Odessa bar

A rally in support of Big Daddy Zane's Bar spurred the response of the Odessa SWAT team.

www.newswest9.com

They came for these guys guns and they threw there hands up. They caught me with my hands up , Shooter, shooter, my hands up, my hands up

its like looking at the mirror. I bet the police got those guns. Then again maybe Trump will pardon them


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UPDATE: Ector County Sheriff's Office identifies suspects arrested at West Odessa bar

A bar owner and protesters with weapons were arrested in West Odessa on Monday after the bar was reopened against Governor Greg Abbott's orders.

www.cbs7.com

Poster boys for Defying a fellow repub governor that they probably voted for


They do eat there own

Well good night sweet prince case closed

Which one of them is you?

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[Kilroy2]

So is your point that it such a low amount of deaths that it doesn't matter when compare to other deaths caused by diseases.

Tell that to the family member who lost a loved one due to the virus.

Statistics doesn't save lives, it is the catalyst to try and save lives in the next round by finding a cure. There will always be a next virus that comes along. That is the history of man between killing themselves and the virus that kills. Vaccines and antiviral drugs are developed to save lives.

Still if measures taken such as social distancing, information , have helped lowered the spread of the disease then it saved lives. Could it have been worse, maybe.

The virus is a family affair.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses and some cause mild respiratory medical problems. Still there were 3 new coronaviruses that hit over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID has help the world be better prepared and to develop diagnostics and vaccines quickly. So it won't be as bad as the previous ones. The next one that comes along will be meet armed with previous knowledge.

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So you're saying we should all live in fear because even though this time around it wasn't as serious as projected the next time it might be worse.

What about all the other people who die of some other virus, like the flu, or cancer???

Should we shut down society until the cures are found for them?

*****SMILE*****

well there is a difference between outright fear and taking precautions. Cancer is not contagious. Whereas flu is contagious but it can also be treated. Cornoavirus may be around for years and after a while people will not even care. This is a novel coronavirus and it is new so people tend to be cautions on new stuff. Of course some people throw cautions to the wind.

Still fear is a natural response and does serve a purpose of either taking precautions, running away or ignoring the fear. Of course the extreme end of fear is when it becomes irrational and causes erratic behavior . It is a natural response and is part of human nature. People were cautious on this new disease and now that it is in the human psyche they can go about their lives. Some may still have the fear whereas other will not. You go to the store and you see some people wearing masks and others not wearing a mask.

Is it fear or being cautious by those who choose to wear mask. Fear plays a role in that decision. Those who do not wear a mask possible believe that they will not die from this so what the heck. I ain't spending money on masks.

The purpose of fear is to motivate action - often avoidance, sometimes preparation.

when facing a tiger is it rational to fear the tiger and thus either run or stand your ground. Granted with a tiger it may not make a difference as the results may be the same. Still most people will choose run as the option of fighting a tiger with no weapon as there is a possibility of survival. The tiger may ignore you as it may have just finished eating.

you hear about daredevils who do throw caution to the wind and have no fear. Still some do die.

So being cautious with the corona virus is the direct result of fear and there is nothing wrong with that. Being daredevil like is not a problem as long as they survive after the ordeal. The one story of a woman who yelled fake news of the virus and eventually end up dying because of the virus.
Irony.

Coronavirus caused a shutdown, now people are moving on. No big wolf. The government should be cautious and not daredevil like when dealing with possible things that can cause death of innocent people within the population that they govern. It is their duty as elected officials.

is your believe that the government should just ignore the cornoavirus. Well even trump has fear, he fears that he will not be reelected. That is why he put in a travel restriction. Did it work?
I presume that your position would be that he should ignore it because there is nothing to fear.

Personally I believe that when dealing with other people's lives, one should be cautions and not have daredevil traits of showing no fear. People generally are afraid of something.

Even the repubs with their gun rights constitutional argument is an example of living in fear.

They fear the government taking their guns

They fear that they cannot protect their family

They fear that they will die without a gun to protect them

yet a lot of people do not have guns,

So my question do gun owners live in fear ?

View attachment 332174

Your argument is one of those there fallacies where you compare apples and oranges.

However you're free to go live in your environmentally sanitized hole and I'll keep my freedom to move about and my guns.

*****CHUCKLE*****

I do not need a gun to move freely but appears you need your guns to move freely

Knock Knock Knock

View attachment 332417

I thought you were going to stay in your safe room where people like myself don't bother you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Yeah these guys decided to have a protest with all there gun that they owned. Protesting the governor shut down orders of their favorite bar. Seems they can't survive without going to this bar. I mean they have plenty of guns and you would suspect them to be happy. l But they really need that bar to reopen.

Texas which has a republican governor and these guys will spend the night in jail. I hope they won't miss work tomorrow. Moving about with their guns like it was the wild wild west. The thing they feared the most - We can't go to our bar.


View attachment 332479

View attachment 332490

I don't see a link... Is it...

*****CHUCKLE*****

Here is your link, now tell me your story but then again don't bother tough guy

Open Texas protestors arrested outside of Odessa bar

A rally in support of Big Daddy Zane's Bar spurred the response of the Odessa SWAT team.

www.newswest9.com

They came for these guys guns and they threw there hands up. They caught me with my hands up , Shooter, shooter, my hands up, my hands up

its like looking at the mirror. I bet the police got those guns. Then again maybe Trump will pardon them


View attachment 332584

UPDATE: Ector County Sheriff's Office identifies suspects arrested at West Odessa bar

A bar owner and protesters with weapons were arrested in West Odessa on Monday after the bar was reopened against Governor Greg Abbott's orders.

www.cbs7.com

Poster boys for Defying a fellow repub governor that they probably voted for


They do eat there own

Well good night sweet prince case closed

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Which one of them is you?

*****CHUCKLE*****

I don't see a link... Is it...

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[emilynghiem]

LOL! Here we have an Asian calling the virus the chinese virus. How dumb can one person be?

Dear IM2 What might be helpful for tracking outbreaks and degrees of dangerous reactions
is identifying the two different strains and calling them by different names.

Perhaps "Wuhan 1" could be used specifically for the more aggressive deadly strain, where
symptoms show up almost immediately and incited the extreme quarantines and lockdowns of whole towns to contain this contagion.
(Wuhan suffered the worst level of outbreak, while Italy also had a higher impact than other places, due to thousands of workers returning from China to plants in Northern Italy.)

While reserving "Covid 2" for the more contagious but milder strain, that tends to be asymptomatic with faster recovery and less risk of hospitalization.

BOTH strains can still trigger unpredictable reactions.

Perhaps tracking and reporting the two strains
would help calm people down, and stop the confusion over why some cities and hospitals report excessive hospitalization
and restrictive measures, while other seem relatively unaffected.

In truth, more of the aggressive cases were contained because of visible reactions that sent such people straight to hospitals.
While the milder cases tend to spread in the community faster than they can be tracked due to lack of symptoms in more carriers.

By distinguishing the two strains, this might reduce a lot of the confusion, panic and paranoia that the media is misreporting the virus
for one political motive or the others. If we stick to medical science, and quit the politics, a lot of these problems will solve themselves!

 

[MarathonMike]

"To be clear, it is not “The Pandemic,” COVID-19, i.e. “The Virus,” that has forced tens of millions of American workers, as great as any number since the Great Depression, to join the ranks of the unemployed.

It is politicians, thanks to no small measure of assistance from their apologists and fellow fear-mongers in Big Media, who are responsible for this.


It is the agents of Big Government and Big Media and not some virus who assured us that even with “mitigation protocols” observed, as many as 1.1 million Americans could die from COVID-19 (a number that some of us knew then was preposterous on its face and that has since been revised down to 60,000—about that of the seasonal flu but still, because of CDC guidelines that can only result in the inflation of Virus deaths, is still undoubtedly too high). "

Not Some Virus

townhall.com

Cause and effect

Government reacts based on a threat. There has to be a cause for any action. The government recommend social distancing and closing certain businesses. You can say government did this but your ignoring why they did this. An unabated contagious disease would eventually make people stay at home by being sick and cause deaths which would lead to fear and panic. Which would eventually cause problems in any economy. Its second guessing based on some unknown scenario that it could have been different if it was done this way instead of that way.

your logic is akin to the door opening electronically when you stand in front of it and say well I open the door but then you argue that the door open itself .

if unabated and no one did nothing is the argument and to determine that they overacted is

The government over-reacted because for some reason unknown to anyone, we listened to some dweebs in England who cooked up a computer model that predicted MILLIONS and MILLIONS are gonna DIE!!!!! Incredibly no one challenged said dweebs and the entire world set off in a panic and shut down. Then after the damage was done, the dweebs admitted they might have been a TAD OFF in their predictions by oh a factor of 100 or so. "Heh Heh. Ahem. Never mind".