The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

[LibocalypseNow]

Yes all of our Founding Fathers were practicing Christians but Christianity had absolutely nothing to do with the founding of our nation. Seriously,you Socialist/Progressive nutters really do need to lay off the Al Jazeera,HuffPo,and Moveon.org stuff. Yikes!

 

[rightwinger]

Yes all of our Founding Fathers were practicing Christians but Christianity had absolutely nothing to do with the founding of our nation. Seriously,you Socialist/Progressive nutters really do need to lay off the Al Jazeera,HuffPo,and Moveon.org stuff. Yikes!

They were all white males.......so obviously this is a white male country

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yes all of our Founding Fathers were practicing Christians but Christianity had absolutely nothing to do with the founding of our nation. Seriously,you Socialist/Progressive nutters really do need to lay off the Al Jazeera,HuffPo,and Moveon.org stuff. Yikes!

They were all white males.......so obviously this is a white male country

Yes,GOD DAMN AMERICA!! Seriously,you Socialists/Progressives really are pretty ignorant. Try reading a book once and awhile. Al Jazeera,HuffPo,and Moveon.org have rotted your brains.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

More stupidity & ignorance from the usual "God Damn America!!" suspects. Every political message board i've ever been on always has a couple of Socialist/Progressive nutters claiming our Founding Fathers weren't Christians. It's par for the course with these nutters. Al Jazeera,Huffington & Moveon.org told em so i guess. Kooky stuff.

Clueless as usual Libo

Nobody said they weren't Christians. The thread is about the US not being based on Christianity. Now you can participate in the thread with the rest of the grownups

The only clueless one is you wrongwinger....

This blatant untruth was actually claimed in Post#1....

Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity.

The truth.....our country was founded for the most part by Christians of different denominations who all wanted the freedom to practice their individual brand of religion.....they came to America in order to escape religious persecutions back in the old home countries....they came together to establish America and its Constitution with the express caveat that each individual could freely express and practice his own religion....

The founding fathers were inclusive.....not exclusive like today's socialists/progressives/commies or theocratic muslims....

Perhaps you could explain to us why the Socialist/Progressive nutters on one hand blast innocent Christianity.....while on the other hand they are amenable to muslims who wish to establish religious sharia LAW right here in our free country....?

Omar M. Ahmad founder of CAIR said: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" he said. "The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth," he said.

PS.....you could also replace the word Islam with Communism....

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why are Liberals so bound and determined to prove America was not founded on Religious Ideal at all. We have complete religious freedom in this country. What is the big deal if some of our core beliefs, Like the idea that all men are created equal(under god or not) and that you should not kill, or steal or Rape your own kids, Where inspired by Judeo/Christian Core values or not. They are still good Ideas are they not?

All men were not created equal in the Bible....slavery was openly accepted. As a matter of fact, when God passed down the Ten Comandments, he intentionally left slavery off the list

We do not need Christian (Jewish actually) values to know that killing, stealing and raping children is wrong. All societies have these values

If we are founded on Christian values, why are laws against having other gods, idol worshipping, keeping holy the sabbath, using the lords name in vain and coveting all considered to be unconstitutional?

Slavery was actively discouraged in the Bible.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No one said the Constitution ended slavery, they said the way was provided to bring it to an end through the Constitution.

Take a look at Article V.

The Constitution provides the American people the opportunity to do anything they want, including bringing back slavery, if enough of the American people vote for it. So what was your point, again?

not exactly-----if our congressmen won't give us an opportunity to vote on a constitutional amendment, we can't do shit.

If enough states call for a Constitutional convention they have to call one. Probably.

 

[dilloduck]

The Constitution provides the American people the opportunity to do anything they want, including bringing back slavery, if enough of the American people vote for it. So what was your point, again?

not exactly-----if our congressmen won't give us an opportunity to vote on a constitutional amendment, we can't do shit.

If enough states call for a Constitutional convention they have to call one. Probably.

which again leaves us in the hands of some mighty timid state congressmen.

 

[rightwinger]

Our founding fathers were men of faith. Nuff said

They were less Christian than most of our political leaders today

But behaved more like a Christian should than our current politicians

Do any of our current politicians own slaves?

 

[hortysir]

Slavery was actively discouraged in the Bible.

That is a very matter-of-fact-sounding statement, QW.
Can you provide scriptural evidence?

 

[rightwinger]

Why are Liberals so bound and determined to prove America was not founded on Religious Ideal at all. We have complete religious freedom in this country. What is the big deal if some of our core beliefs, Like the idea that all men are created equal(under god or not) and that you should not kill, or steal or Rape your own kids, Where inspired by Judeo/Christian Core values or not. They are still good Ideas are they not?

All men were not created equal in the Bible....slavery was openly accepted. As a matter of fact, when God passed down the Ten Comandments, he intentionally left slavery off the list

We do not need Christian (Jewish actually) values to know that killing, stealing and raping children is wrong. All societies have these values

If we are founded on Christian values, why are laws against having other gods, idol worshipping, keeping holy the sabbath, using the lords name in vain and coveting all considered to be unconstitutional?

Slavery was actively discouraged in the Bible.

Far from it.....In fact, Moses crossed the dessert to free the Israelites from slavery. Then when he went to get the 10 commandments...God didn't even list "Thou shall not own slaves"

Tells alot about priorities

 

[Political Junky]

Many of the characters in the bible had slaves. Nohwere was it condemned.

 

[Charles_Main]

Why are Liberals so bound and determined to prove America was not founded on Religious Ideal at all. We have complete religious freedom in this country. What is the big deal if some of our core beliefs, Like the idea that all men are created equal(under god or not) and that you should not kill, or steal or Rape your own kids, Where inspired by Judeo/Christian Core values or not. They are still good Ideas are they not?

All men were not created equal in the Bible....slavery was openly accepted. As a matter of fact, when God passed down the Ten Comandments, he intentionally left slavery off the list

We do not need Christian (Jewish actually) values to know that killing, stealing and raping children is wrong. All societies have these values

If we are founded on Christian values, why are laws against having other gods, idol worshipping, keeping holy the sabbath, using the lords name in vain and coveting all considered to be unconstitutional?

Because we have religious freedom dude. Figure it out.

 

[rightwinger]

Why are Liberals so bound and determined to prove America was not founded on Religious Ideal at all. We have complete religious freedom in this country. What is the big deal if some of our core beliefs, Like the idea that all men are created equal(under god or not) and that you should not kill, or steal or Rape your own kids, Where inspired by Judeo/Christian Core values or not. They are still good Ideas are they not?

All men were not created equal in the Bible....slavery was openly accepted. As a matter of fact, when God passed down the Ten Comandments, he intentionally left slavery off the list

We do not need Christian (Jewish actually) values to know that killing, stealing and raping children is wrong. All societies have these values

If we are founded on Christian values, why are laws against having other gods, idol worshipping, keeping holy the sabbath, using the lords name in vain and coveting all considered to be unconstitutional?

Because we have religious freedom dude. Figure it out.

Let me do some figger'n....

Oh I see now.....So we WEREN'T founded as a Christian nation

Thanks for clarifying

 

[Gadawg73]

The ten commandments have very little to do with the principles of freedom.

But the founding fathers all agreed freedom is a Christian tenet, and that freedom emanates from God.

No, freedom emanates from The United States Constitution.
In America that is.
The Founders RAN FROM the idea that man receives anything from God. They ran from the European countries that proclaimed a divine right from God to rule as monarchs.
The Founders sure were smart. In their day many nations ruled as nations of men and their God.
The United States of America is not a nation of men and their Gods. We are a nation of LAWS.
And God ain't mentioned in any law.
America, LOVE it or LEAVE IT.

 

[Charles_Main]

All men were not created equal in the Bible....slavery was openly accepted. As a matter of fact, when God passed down the Ten Comandments, he intentionally left slavery off the list

We do not need Christian (Jewish actually) values to know that killing, stealing and raping children is wrong. All societies have these values

If we are founded on Christian values, why are laws against having other gods, idol worshipping, keeping holy the sabbath, using the lords name in vain and coveting all considered to be unconstitutional?

Because we have religious freedom dude. Figure it out.

Let me do some figger'n....

Oh I see now.....So we WEREN'T founded as a Christian nation

Thanks for clarifying

I never claimed we were founded as a Christian Nation. Of course we were not. We were founded as a nation with the freedom to worship as you please.

This argument was never about whether or not we were a christian Nation. It is about whether or not Our Founders used Christian ideals when they formed this Nation. Or at least I thought that was what we were debating. I Think is is relatively clear that our founders were influenced by the Christian Beliefs when they wrote the founding documents. After all it is they who said our Rights come from God, and that we are a Nation under god. That does not mean we are a christian Nation, with a Christian State Religion. It simply means that the People who founded this nation were indeed Christians who believed our rights were ultimately given to us by a creator.

Even today almost 80% of Americans self identify as Christian. I am not sure why the Left is so keen on proving whether or not we are a Christian Nation. It is semantics really. We are a one of the only nations on earth with guaranteed Freedom of Religion. The fact that you are able to argue that we are not Christian or that we are is proof of that. We may not be a Christian Nation in a legal sense. But with 80% saying they are a Christians we clearly are one in spirit.

Just because we are founded on christian Values, does not mean we would have to make laws banning worship of other gods. You are confusing basing something on a value system with actually forcing everyone to worship one religion.

Hardly the same thing.

 

[Smartt33]

The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity
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America was not founded upon Christianity, it was founded upon Christian principles. On that there is proof in the Declaration of Independence.

Today, America has crumbled because the Christian principles that made this nation great have been exchanged for immorality and stupidity.

In the current administration, with an unamerican as president, and idealists as his puppets, and Muslim religion as it's new master, America is a lost nation.

May God help America, and those who are following the Almighty in their lives.

The proof of the above will play itself out as each day passes. I know you can all see it, but fools are willingly blind.

 

[rightwinger]

Because we have religious freedom dude. Figure it out.

Let me do some figger'n....

Oh I see now.....So we WEREN'T founded as a Christian nation

Thanks for clarifying

I never claimed we were founded as a Christian Nation. Of course we were not. We were founded as a nation with the freedom to worship as you please.

This argument was never about whether or not we were a christian Nation. It is about whether or not Our Founders used Christian ideals when they formed this Nation. Or at least I thought that was what we were debating.

Which ideals did they use that are not Jewish ideals?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity
Many Christian's who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration of Independence as "proof" of a Christian America. ...
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Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. .... Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural .... He led the men who turned America from an English colony into a self-governing nation. ...
Thomas Jefferson - John Adams - Benjamin Franklin - Thomas Painefreethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html - Cached - Similar

America was not founded upon Christianity, it was founded upon Christian principles. On that there is proof in the Declaration of Independence.

Today, America has crumbled because the Christian principles that made this nation great have been exchanged for immorality and stupidity.

In the current administration, with an unamerican as president, and idealists as his puppets, and Muslim religion as it's new master, America is a lost nation.

May God help America, and those who are following the Almighty in their lives.

The proof of the above will play itself out as each day passes. I know you can all see it, but fools are willingly blind.

What are the uniquely Christian principles found in the Declaration of Independence?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Slavery was actively discouraged in the Bible.

That is a very matter-of-fact-sounding statement, QW.
Can you provide scriptural evidence?

The word translated as slave in the Old Testament is more accurately translated as servant or hired worker. Israelites were forbidden to own have fellow Israelites as servants for more than 6 years, they had to be released from their contracts on the seventh year. (Exod 21:2-6, Deut 15:12-15, and Jer 34:14) Exceptions were made for foreign born and thier children (Lev 25:44-47) but they seemed to be more like serfs than slaves, and Israel was enjoined to treat them as quests and respect them. If they ever mistreated them, and the servant was injured as a result, they were freed from the contract. (Exod 21:26-27) They were also specifically prohibited from returning escaped slaves. (Deut 23:15-16)

 

[hortysir]

Slavery was actively discouraged in the Bible.

That is a very matter-of-fact-sounding statement, QW.
Can you provide scriptural evidence?

The word translated as slave in the Old Testament is more accurately translated as servant or hired worker. Israelites were forbidden to own have fellow Israelites as servants for more than 6 years, they had to be released from their contracts on the seventh year. (Exod 21:2-6, Deut 15:12-15, and Jer 34:14) Exceptions were made for foreign born and thier children (Lev 25:44-47) but they seemed to be more like serfs than slaves, and Israel was enjoined to treat them as quests and respect them. If they ever mistreated them, and the servant was injured as a result, they were freed from the contract. (Exod 21:26-27) They were also specifically prohibited from returning escaped slaves. (Deut 23:15-16)

Now, THAT is the kind of reply I'm used to from you!!