The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War.

[Ringo]

The correct article, but at the same time it is funny how the author is obliged to start with the words: "Vladimir Putin's decision to launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine is a monstrous act of aggression that has plunged the world into a perilous situation..."
After these words, the whole article tells why this attack was justified, but the tribute to the "free, thinking media" was given.

The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War.

Vladimir Putin's decision to launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine is a monstrous act of aggression. But that doesn't mean the West did nothing to provoke it.

www.newsweek.com

 

[1srelluc]

He told/warned them for ten damn years or better but now they are all surprised when it happened?

 

[JLW]

Where Mr.Carpenter is wrong is when he writes that NATO expansion was a poke in the eye to Russia. The reason Baltic Nations and the eastern European nations wanted NATO membership was because Russia could not be trusted. Putin has always made clear his territorial ambitions to restore the old Soviet empire. The sad fact is that war like this was inevitable under Putin. Putin is willing to destroy his own nation and others as well in order to fulfill his dream of the Russian version of Lebensraum.

 

[eagle1462010]

Russian weapons were given and sold to enemies of the United States IVAN.

Same as the Cold War where we funded and gave weapons to the opposing side in the Wars fought. Russians have been killing Americans in foreign Wars same as our weapons have been killing Russians with our weapons.......

Ukraine didn't exist until the USSR failed............And a CRY OF FREEDOM split the hell out of the USSR. While some areas might be pro Russian......Central and Eastern Ukraine SURE AS HELL don't want to be part of RUSSIA.......Their standing FIGHTING TO THE DEATH is PROOF OF THAT IVAN.

Our globalist leaders have always pushed for a larger NATO. To stop what is happening now........NATO wasn't going to bring Ukraine into NATO........Could start a World War. Putin knows that.

It's just an excuse to take all of the Black Sea Ports and the resources of Ukraine.

We should as always in HONOR OF THE USSR throw TONS OF WEAPONS into Ukraine to those who want to fight you.........and tell you to shove it up your ass if you don't like it.

Or you can just pull the trigger on us and get it over with...........Putin used the I'M GONNA NUKE YOU RHETORIC at the beginning of this .........Same as the USSR did over and over again. IDIOT.......

 

[Circe]

He told/warned them for ten damn years or better but now they are all surprised when it happened?

Yeah ---- It's a question of whether people respect buffers and spheres of influence. Like our Cuba and China's Taiwan. Russia and German have always, always wanted buffer countries between them, and now the EU/NATO is eating away all Russia's buffer zones.

Also, bigger is better: every dictator knows that. The bigger the country, the more powerful, and Siberia still doesn't count. Ukraine used to be Russian, as did Moldova and all the Baltics, and yes, Putin wants them back. The bigger his territory on the western side, the more powerful Russia is.

It's never subtle. Invading countries just want the land! And if they decide to keep the people, they'll use them for labor or soldiers.

 

[José]

The western military alliance really poses a geopolitical threat to Russia and this constitutes a legitimate casus belli.

But Ukraine also has a right to fight the russian invasion that will most likely turn the country into a Moscow puppet, Belarus style.

What's the problem in recognizing both propositions above are true?

I support the right of Russia to use military force to stop the advance of the hostile military alliance and also support the right of the ukrainian people to fight the military invasion and occupation of their country and don't see any contradiction.

Unidimensional thinking is the hallmark of stupid, dumb people.

 

[Ringo]

Where Mr.Carpenter is wrong is when he writes that NATO expansion was a poke in the eye to Russia. The reason Baltic Nations and the eastern European nations wanted NATO membership was because Russia could not be trusted. Putin has always made clear his territorial ambitions to restore the old Soviet empire.

The statement that Russia cannot be trusted is stupid. Russia is the only country of significance, that keeps its word.
Regarding the fact that Putin seeks to take back the lands of the USSR, you probably don't know that for 8 years Putin has been saying that Donbass is ukrainian territory and trying to push it back into Ukraine. The residents of Donbass did not want this at all, well-acquainted with the customs of fascist Ukraine. What started on February 24 should have been done in 2014, there would have been much less losses and more support from the population. But better late than never.

 

[JLW]

The statement that Russia cannot be trusted is stupid. Russia is the only country of significance, that keeps its word.
Regarding the fact that Putin seeks to take back the lands of the USSR, you probably don't know that for 8 years Putin has been saying that Donbass is ukrainian territory and trying to push it back into Ukraine. The residents of Donbass did not want this at all, well-acquainted with the customs of fascist Ukraine. What started on February 24 should have been done in 2014, there would have been much less losses and more support from the population. But better late than never.

This whole Ukraine war is based on lies.

Putin’s empire of lies | The Strategist

Vladimir Putin’s regime has banned Russian media from referring to his invasion of Ukraine as a ‘war’. Instead, it is to be framed as ‘an operation to liberate Ukraine from neo-Nazis’. The state-run RIA news ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

Putin has shown himself to be a master liar. He lied to his soldiers; he has rigged elections; he has killed and attempted to kill political opponents; Putin and his oligarch friends have stolen hundreds of billions of dollars from the Russian people. Putin is said to be worth $200 billion dollars. Putin could never be trusted.

 

[Ringo]

The collective West was growing fascist Ukraine as a purely Russophobic project, and since this unter-Reich was coming to the end of its existence, it had to be disposed of somehow, but how could the collective West dispose of it? Only by inciting them to Donbass. This is evidenced by the documents captured during the fighting. This whole large group, concentrated on the border of Donbass, was supposed to attack in early March.

 

[Circe]

I support the right of Russia to use military force to stop the advance of the hostile military alliance and also support the right of the ukrainian people to fight the military invasion and occupation of their country and don't see any contradiction.

Unidimensional thinking is the hallmark of stupid, dumb people.

You aren't taking any side at all; which is fine for you, but sort of pointless to say you agree with both sides. Why say it at all? It makes no sense.

 

[Ringo]

This whole Ukraine war is based on lies.

Putin has shown himself to be a master liar. He lied to his soldiers; he has rigged elections; he has killed and attempted to kill political opponents; Putin and his oligarch friends have stolen hundreds of billions of dollars from the Russian people. Putin is said to be worth $200 billion dollars. Putin could never be trusted.

Putin is the only one who can be trusted in modern politics. Of all your list of Putin's sins, I can only agree with the money stolen from the russian people by the oligarchs. But didn't you dream that the USSR would turn into a capitalist country? Well, this is capitalism for you, there is no other kind.

 

[Circe]

The statement that Russia cannot be trusted is stupid. Russia is the only country of significance, that keeps its word.
Regarding the fact that Putin seeks to take back the lands of the USSR, you probably don't know that for 8 years Putin has been saying that Donbass is ukrainian territory and trying to push it back into Ukraine. The residents of Donbass did not want this at all, well-acquainted with the customs of fascist Ukraine. What started on February 24 should have been done in 2014, there would have been much less losses and more support from the population. But better late than never.

Just another worthless Russkie polluting the Forum with propaganda. We've been invaded just like Ukraine, with all these Putin Minions.

 

[Ringo]

Just another worthless Russkie polluting the Forum with propaganda. We've been invaded just like Ukraine, with all these Putin Minions.

Everything that doesn't fit in your little pot with one gyrus is propaganda... poor bastard.

 

[eagle1462010]

The collective West was growing fascist Ukraine as a purely Russophobic project, and since this unter-Reich was coming to the end of its existence, it had to be disposed of somehow, but how could the collective West dispose of it? Only by inciting them to Donbass. This is evidenced by the documents captured during the fighting. This whole large group, concentrated on the border of Donbass, was supposed to attack in early March.

We were not going to attack you IVAN.......Utter BS......

YOU ARE MAD...........And that is why neither side wants a fight. MAD

 

[Ringo]

We were not going to attack you IVAN.......Utter BS.....

Really? Who the hell are you, to decide if you going to attack or not? All you are allowed is to go and vote for the next protege of the financial bourgeoisie once every few years. Your opinion is nothing to them. And war is a very profitable business for them. Profit, саpish?

 

[scruffy]

Really? Who the hell are you, to decide if you going to attack or not? All you are allowed is to go and vote for the next protege of the financial bourgeoisie once every few years. Your opinion is nothing to them. And war is a very profitable business for them. Profit, саpish?

And Russia is exempt from this?

lol

 

[eagle1462010]

Really? Who the hell are you, to decide if you going to attack or not? All you are allowed is to go and vote for the next protege of the financial bourgeoisie once every few years. Your opinion is nothing to them. And war is a very profitable business for them. Profit, саpish?

I understand the War profiteers have existed forever. Your country does the same so pardon me when I don't give a damn about your virtue signaling here. I understand the Globalist are in bed with all the big money gas bags.

Here and in your Russia IVAN........

Doesn't change that your side invaded for taking the land of ALL UKRAINE.......Putin wants the port of Odessa and the fertile land in Ukraine. This fight is over RESOURCES, and strategic advantages for Russia............

Not NATO.......Not FREEDOM.......it is about POWER..........And the X KGB WANTS IT.

 

[JLW]

Nobody wants war with Russia. Even the Russian people do not want war. The only person who wants war is Putin.

 

[Ringo]

And Russia is exempt from this?

No, but there are several different kinds of capitalists. There is Hitler and there is Churchill. Churchill, of course, is a brute, but Hitler is a monster. The people helping Hitler as bad as nazies. The collective West helping the Ukrainian nazis. I made my choice

 

[Rogue AI]

He told/warned them for ten damn years or better but now they are all surprised when it happened?

To be fair, liberals don't actually expect anyone to take them at their word. Of course there is going to be manufactured outrage if someone else keeps theirs. It makes our liberals look bad.