Markle
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So the problem is Europe's. Not a strategic threat to the United States.
Still no answer.
Other than millions paid to the Bidens, of what STRATEGIC interest is Ukraine to the United States?
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Still no answer.
Other than millions paid to the Bidens, of what STRATEGIC interest is Ukraine to the United States?
dudmuck
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since USA is intimately tied to Europe economically, and we are NATO partners, anything that happens to the EU happens to the USA.
And the major of the money from ukraine to bidens was to their legal firm, spent on providing services. It not enough to buy influence. Several orders of magnitude more money is needed to buy influence.
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toomuchtime_
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Again, nothing but more lies from you. It's clear you have no real interest in the situation in Ukraine.
Silver Cat
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I definitely know much more than you about the situation in Ukraine, but yes, I'm more interested in the wider picture.
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You don't appear to know anything about anything other than touting Putin's lies.
Silver Cat
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Of course it's not just Putin's. Most of the Russians believe it. And they have pretty good reasons to do so.
Do you posses any actual information about Ukraine? Do you read Russian and/or Ukrainian sources?
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He is basically suggesting that Putin is suicidal, because he suggest that if Putin wins the war in Ukraine, then he will be at the borders of NATO in a strategic way, otherwise as if he would commit suicide for himself and the Russian people by going after NATO countries or the alliance. Not sure what Putin's overall goal is with Ukraine, but going after NATO would be the ultimate stupid on his part. Wait, unless tomuchtime is thinking that NATO is weak under it's current leadership's, and therefore it could fracture if the right pressure is brought forth against it ????
Once again, this time please try to answer the question instead of a word salad.
"Yeah, that's what was said about Vietnam."
"Please be specific, what is our strategic interest in Ukraine?"
"How is this for the benefit of the Ukrainian people?"
Now, if Putin is pushed back, and loses the war with Ukraine, and this happens all because of NATO helping Ukraine to win, then Putin might perceive that to be the same thing as Ukraine being unofficially in the alliance, even if Ukraine isn't supposed to be in the alliance on Russia's border like that.
Now what the consequences of that situation might be down the road, uhhh is anyone's guess.
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We should only be mediating peace agreements, seize fires, and humanitarian help in regards to the two being at odds with each other.
Sending weapons and pumping the fight has possibly led to the destruction of live's, a very beautiful countryside, historic architecture, and did I say the destruction of live's by the thousands ??
No one should ever push or pump war, but only to push peace at the negotiation tables.
Yes, Putin went into Ukraine, and it was our job to find out why, and then to constantly look for peaceful solutions to end the conflict. That means talking with both sides constantly.
Why was Putin deemed a non-negotiable client that couldn't be reached ??
Russian troops received self-propelled guns Phlox. Rostec has begun transferring a batch of 120-mm Phlox self-propelled artillery guns to Russian troops. It is worth noting that the serial production of self-propelled guns was organized quite quickly, only 5 months passed. Thanks to good mobility, automation and a relatively low price, the Phlox self-propelled gun is now in demand among the troops. To reduce the cost of equipment, the developers abandoned the tracked chassis and installed the Phlox self-propelled guns on the Ural-4320 vehicle. Also, to reduce the cost, a gun was installed based on the 2A80 from the 2S31 Vena self-propelled gun. By today's standards, the self-propelled gun does not fire far, up to 13 kilometers, but for that it has a very high rate of fire. The Phlox self-propelled gun can fire in the “simultaneous fire attack” mode, when several shells fired one after another simultaneously reach the target.
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No one knows what the Russian people believe because all they get in the news is government-controlled propaganda and it is a crime in Russia to disagree with the government. If you get your information from Russian propaganda sources, then you clearly know nothing about what is going on in Ukraine.
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And you get your information from Ukraine where ???? Do you truly know anything about Ukraine ? I have asked this before also - Has anyone seen any black Ukrainians in Ukraine yet ? How about any Chinese Ukrainians, Indian Ukrainians, Mexican Ukrainians etc ???
Is Biden involved with real white supremacists in Ukraine ???
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Are you trying to sound stupid? The international press is all over Ukraine, and the various outlets note when Ukrainian claims have not been verified by other sources. On the other hand, there is only one voice in Russia, Putin's, and it is illegal to question it.
With respect to Ukraine, Trump would want to do exactly what Biden is doing if Trump were a sane and responsible person and not a pouting narcissist who wants to support Russian imperialism because he is still pissed that Zelensky didn't provide him with dirt on Biden he could have used in the 2020 election.
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Show me the black Ukrainians or other races of Ukrainians that aren't white in that nation. I'll wait.
So here we are helping the very thing that we deplore in this country, otherwise a white supremacist nation to fight back another white supremacists nation, and then wildly helping Ukraine to protect and secure their borders while ignoring a national emergency on our own border. You can't make this stuff up I tell you, and then we have Biden trying to flood this nation with foreigners who will do what - replace the poor black American race who will work the Jobs the foreigners will be working, otherwise if given a fair chance and incentive to do so ??????
Nah, just abort those babies as fast as we can, and get young Americans to o-d on fentanyl or any other drug of their choice since they are selectively being forgotten about as fast as they can be. Loving that global community thinking now ????
Pathetic stuff going on in this world.
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Yuriy Yekhanurov - Wikipedia
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Again, you are just dumb as a rock, typical of Trump cultists like yourself who have no idea why they support him.
Afro-Ukrainians - Wikipedia
According to the Chinese embassy in Ukraine, over 6,000 Chinese citizens work or study in Ukraine.[5] 50,000 to 100,000 Ukrainian citizens live in China, as estimated by the Ukrainian embassy in China, especially in the cities of Beijing, Shanghai and Harbin.[6]
China–Ukraine relations - Wikipedia
beagle9
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Well thank you very much for that, because I was beginning to think that there was zero when viewing all the war footages and other media concerning Ukraine. Ok, and hopefully there are a number that equals at the least a quarter of the population there. What's their number, do you have a ball park figure on it ?
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