CDZ The two biggest mistakes of George W. Bush

[MacTheKnife]

Newsbreaking and controversial -- an award-winning investigative journalist uncovers the thirty-year relationship between the Bush family and the House of Saud and explains its impact on American foreign policy, business, and national security.
House of Bush, House of Saud begins with a politically explosive question: How is it that two days after 9/11, when U.S. air traffic was tightly restricted, 140 Saudis, many immediate kin to Osama Bin Laden, were permitted to leave the country without being questioned by U.S. intelligence?
The answer lies in a hidden relationship that began in the 1970s, when the oil-rich House of Saud began courting American politicians in a bid for military protection, influence, and investment opportunity. With the Bush family, the Saudis hit a gusher -- direct access to presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush. To trace the amazing weave of Saud- Bush connections, Unger interviewed three former directors of the CIA, top Saudi and Israeli intelligence officials, and more than one hundred other sources. His access to major players is unparalleled and often exclusive -- including executives at the Carlyle Group, the giant investment firm where the House of Bush and the House of Saud each has a major stake.
Like Bob Woodward's The Veil, Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud features unprecedented reportage; like Michael Moore's Dude, Where's My Country? Unger's book offers a political counter-narrative to official explanations; this deeply sourced account has already been cited by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer, and sets 9/11, the two Gulf Wars, and the ongoing Middle East crisis in a new context: What really happened when America's most powerful political family became seduced by its Saudi counterparts?

But the Bush's are such nice folks....Jeb especially and George is considered very likeable even by michell, hillary, etc.

I suppose the real question here though is....did the Bush's sell out America for financial gain?

.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So you are a conspiracy theorist too?

Why would they be flying out of Tampa, Florida? Did that ever cross your mind?

Here is a See BS source that disputes your claim.
Bin Laden Family Evacuated

It began with a chartered flight from Tampa, Fla., to Lexington, Ky., on Sept. 13. Soon there were at least eight planes stopping in 12 U.S. cities to fly Saudis out. About two dozen passengers were related to Bin Laden. Because of the lockdown, the initial flight required authorization from the highest levels of government -- and specifically from the White House. Former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke said he was a party to such conversations in the White House.
October 2003: Craig Unger Saudia Arabia

Didn't read your own link, did you?

They never left the US until after the flight ban was lifted.

Your statement was false.Your own link verified it! Try reading the whole article this time.

Do you have some kind of problem with reading?


The Great Escape

Americans who think the 9/11 commission is going to answer all the crucial questions about the terrorist attacks are likely to be sorely disappointed -- especially if they're interested in the secret evacuation of Saudis by plane that began just after Sept. 11.

We knew that 15 out of 19 hijackers were Saudis. We knew that Osama bin Laden, a Saudi, was behind 9/11. Yet we did not conduct a police-style investigation of the departing Saudis, of whom two dozen were members. of the bin Laden family. That is not to say that they were complicit in the attacks.

Unfortunately, though, we may never know the real story. The investigative panel has already concluded that there is ''no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.'' But the real point is that there were still some restrictions on American airspace when the Saudi flights began.

In addition, new evidence shows that the evacuation involved more than the departure of 142 Saudis on six charter flights that the commission is investigating. According to newly released documents, 160 Saudis left the United States on 55 flights immediately after 9/11 -- making a total of about 300 people who left with the apparent approval of the Bush administration, far more than has been reported before. The records were released by the Department of Homeland Security in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by Judicial Watch, a conservative, nonpartisan watchdog group in Washington.

The vast majority of the newly disclosed flights were commercial airline flights, not charters, often carrying just two or three Saudi passengers. They originated from more than 20 cities, including Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit and Houston. One Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left Kennedy Airport on Sept. 13 with 46 Saudis. The next day, another Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left with 13 Saudis.


The panel has indicated that it has yet to find any evidence that the F.B.I. checked the manifests of departing flights against its terror watch list. The departures of additional Saudis raise more questions for the panel. Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar, told The Hill newspaper recently that he took full responsibility for approving some flights. But we don't know if other Bush administration officials participated in the decision.
The Great Escape

September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals - SourceWatch

Reda the part you highlighted.

The investigative panel has already concluded that there is ''no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.'' But the real point is that there were still some restrictions on American airspace when the Saudi flights began.

I am not bothering to read that..drek. This is tantamount to saying there isn't any evidence that the Japanese ruling government actually attacked us on December 7th 1941. Nope . Instead, it was rouge operatives within the Japanese military that did that whole surprise attack thing, it was fluke. Like it matters? 3 thousand dead Americans either way. Eye roll here. Question is: Why are you defending the Saudis? Riddle me this riddle me THAT. It's rather obvious what happened on 9/11. I don't need to read through ream after ream of documents to see what is at the tip of my nose . This ends up looking like obfuscations and redirects . Question is, why are you defending Saudi Arabia?

Why am I defending Saudi Arabia? Because you are blaming them for something they did not do. Are you like the liberals who believe in collusion because that is the only way Trump could have beaten Hillary was to cheat? That is is EXACTLY how you are acting.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Didn't read your own link, did you?

They never left the US until after the flight ban was lifted.

Your statement was false.Your own link verified it! Try reading the whole article this time.

Do you have some kind of problem with reading?


The Great Escape

Americans who think the 9/11 commission is going to answer all the crucial questions about the terrorist attacks are likely to be sorely disappointed -- especially if they're interested in the secret evacuation of Saudis by plane that began just after Sept. 11.

We knew that 15 out of 19 hijackers were Saudis. We knew that Osama bin Laden, a Saudi, was behind 9/11. Yet we did not conduct a police-style investigation of the departing Saudis, of whom two dozen were members. of the bin Laden family. That is not to say that they were complicit in the attacks.

Unfortunately, though, we may never know the real story. The investigative panel has already concluded that there is ''no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.'' But the real point is that there were still some restrictions on American airspace when the Saudi flights began.

In addition, new evidence shows that the evacuation involved more than the departure of 142 Saudis on six charter flights that the commission is investigating. According to newly released documents, 160 Saudis left the United States on 55 flights immediately after 9/11 -- making a total of about 300 people who left with the apparent approval of the Bush administration, far more than has been reported before. The records were released by the Department of Homeland Security in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by Judicial Watch, a conservative, nonpartisan watchdog group in Washington.

The vast majority of the newly disclosed flights were commercial airline flights, not charters, often carrying just two or three Saudi passengers. They originated from more than 20 cities, including Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit and Houston. One Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left Kennedy Airport on Sept. 13 with 46 Saudis. The next day, another Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left with 13 Saudis.


The panel has indicated that it has yet to find any evidence that the F.B.I. checked the manifests of departing flights against its terror watch list. The departures of additional Saudis raise more questions for the panel. Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar, told The Hill newspaper recently that he took full responsibility for approving some flights. But we don't know if other Bush administration officials participated in the decision.
The Great Escape

September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals - SourceWatch

Reda the part you highlighted.

The investigative panel has already concluded that there is ''no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.'' But the real point is that there were still some restrictions on American airspace when the Saudi flights began.

Read the last sentence....and what is considered credible evidence?

Irregardless to me it is no so much a matter of when they left but that they were allowed to leave without being questioned. That is the real importance of the matter that and the fact that even relatives of bin laden were allowed to leave.

Questioned about what? Most were high school and college kids. His family in the US had disowned him long before 9/11.

I think it incredible you would ask such a silly question.

It is standard practice in murder investigations to interview friends and relatives of the primary suspect. One of the highest U.S. security priorities should have been the interrogation of Bin Laden's relatives and other Saudis who, inadvertently or not, may have funded him.

"Certainly it would be my expectation that they would do that," says Oliver "Buck" Revell, former associate deputy director of the FBI. And it should not have been difficult. U.S. airspace was almost entirely locked down. Virtually no one could fly. Nevertheless, the Saudi Arabian Embassy was able to organize a massive operation to evacuate these citizens from the U.S.

Out of several dozen passengers on those lists, the most astonishing name was that of the late Prince Ahmed Salman. Best known as the owner of War Emblem, winner of the 2002 Kentucky Derby, Ahmed was a prominent Saudi prince, but his presence is of interest for another reason.

As reported in Gerald Posner's "Why America Slept," Salman allegedly had ties to Al Qaeda and even had advance knowledge that it would stage a major attack in the U.S. on 9/11. Posner's report is based on sources who were in a position to know details of the CIA's interrogation of Abu Zubeida, a high-ranking Al Qaeda operative captured in Pakistan in 2002. Not long after Zubeida's startling allegations about him, Salman died of a heart attack at age 43.

Oh, so you are going to interview the relatives of a man who had not seen him in possibly decades and had disowned him for his terrorists ways? That's about how dumb that sounds!

Let's face it! The longer these people stayed in the US, they were running the risk of being targeted by those hell bent on revenge simply because they carried the same name. You do realize that there is a Constitutional provision that prevents targeting them for the actions of their relatives, right?

 

[rightwinger]

It began with a chartered flight from Tampa, Fla., to Lexington, Ky., on Sept. 13. Soon there were at least eight planes stopping in 12 U.S. cities to fly Saudis out. About two dozen passengers were related to Bin Laden. Because of the lockdown, the initial flight required authorization from the highest levels of government -- and specifically from the White House. Former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke said he was a party to such conversations in the White House.
October 2003: Craig Unger Saudia Arabia

Didn't read your own link, did you?

They never left the US until after the flight ban was lifted.

Your statement was false.Your own link verified it! Try reading the whole article this time.

Do you have some kind of problem with reading?


The Great Escape

Americans who think the 9/11 commission is going to answer all the crucial questions about the terrorist attacks are likely to be sorely disappointed -- especially if they're interested in the secret evacuation of Saudis by plane that began just after Sept. 11.

We knew that 15 out of 19 hijackers were Saudis. We knew that Osama bin Laden, a Saudi, was behind 9/11. Yet we did not conduct a police-style investigation of the departing Saudis, of whom two dozen were members. of the bin Laden family. That is not to say that they were complicit in the attacks.

Unfortunately, though, we may never know the real story. The investigative panel has already concluded that there is ''no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.'' But the real point is that there were still some restrictions on American airspace when the Saudi flights began.

In addition, new evidence shows that the evacuation involved more than the departure of 142 Saudis on six charter flights that the commission is investigating. According to newly released documents, 160 Saudis left the United States on 55 flights immediately after 9/11 -- making a total of about 300 people who left with the apparent approval of the Bush administration, far more than has been reported before. The records were released by the Department of Homeland Security in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by Judicial Watch, a conservative, nonpartisan watchdog group in Washington.

The vast majority of the newly disclosed flights were commercial airline flights, not charters, often carrying just two or three Saudi passengers. They originated from more than 20 cities, including Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit and Houston. One Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left Kennedy Airport on Sept. 13 with 46 Saudis. The next day, another Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left with 13 Saudis.


The panel has indicated that it has yet to find any evidence that the F.B.I. checked the manifests of departing flights against its terror watch list. The departures of additional Saudis raise more questions for the panel. Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar, told The Hill newspaper recently that he took full responsibility for approving some flights. But we don't know if other Bush administration officials participated in the decision.
The Great Escape

September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals - SourceWatch

Reda the part you highlighted.

The investigative panel has already concluded that there is ''no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.'' But the real point is that there were still some restrictions on American airspace when the Saudi flights began.

I am not bothering to read that..drek. This is tantamount to saying there isn't any evidence that the Japanese ruling government actually attacked us on December 7th 1941. Nope . Instead, it was rouge operatives within the Japanese military that did that whole surprise attack thing, it was fluke. Like it matters? 3 thousand dead Americans either way. Eye roll here. Question is: Why are you defending the Saudis? Riddle me this riddle me THAT. It's rather obvious what happened on 9/11. I don't need to read through ream after ream of documents to see what is at the tip of my nose . This ends up looking like obfuscations and redirects . Question is, why are you defending Saudi Arabia?

Why am I defending Saudi Arabia? Because you are blaming them for something they did not do. Are you like the liberals who believe in collusion because that is the only way Trump could have beaten Hillary was to cheat? That is is EXACTLY how you are acting.

17 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens as was bin Laden. Did the Royal Family send them to attack the US? No they did not

But it is no accident that so many were Saudi citizens and why AlQaeda had such strong Saudi roots
The Royal Family allowed the radical Islamic movement to flourish in their country. They encouraged it as long as there was no threat to their stranglehold on ruling the country.
Most of the funding for Al Qaeda came from within Saudi Arabia

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Newsbreaking and controversial -- an award-winning investigative journalist uncovers the thirty-year relationship between the Bush family and the House of Saud and explains its impact on American foreign policy, business, and national security.
House of Bush, House of Saud begins with a politically explosive question: How is it that two days after 9/11, when U.S. air traffic was tightly restricted, 140 Saudis, many immediate kin to Osama Bin Laden, were permitted to leave the country without being questioned by U.S. intelligence?
The answer lies in a hidden relationship that began in the 1970s, when the oil-rich House of Saud began courting American politicians in a bid for military protection, influence, and investment opportunity. With the Bush family, the Saudis hit a gusher -- direct access to presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush. To trace the amazing weave of Saud- Bush connections, Unger interviewed three former directors of the CIA, top Saudi and Israeli intelligence officials, and more than one hundred other sources. His access to major players is unparalleled and often exclusive -- including executives at the Carlyle Group, the giant investment firm where the House of Bush and the House of Saud each has a major stake.
Like Bob Woodward's The Veil, Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud features unprecedented reportage; like Michael Moore's Dude, Where's My Country? Unger's book offers a political counter-narrative to official explanations; this deeply sourced account has already been cited by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer, and sets 9/11, the two Gulf Wars, and the ongoing Middle East crisis in a new context: What really happened when America's most powerful political family became seduced by its Saudi counterparts?

But the Bush's are such nice folks....Jeb especially and George is considered very likeable even by michell, hillary, etc.

I suppose the real question here though is....did the Bush's sell out America for financial gain?

.

No. The real question would be that if Osama cared about his offspring (of which he had dozens), would he have allowed them to remain in the US as targets for possible reprisal for the attacks?

Of course not! Osama's dozens of offspring meant nothing to him except as a result of a prolific sex life with a LOT of women he called wives.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Didn't read your own link, did you?

They never left the US until after the flight ban was lifted.

Your statement was false.Your own link verified it! Try reading the whole article this time.

Do you have some kind of problem with reading?


The Great Escape

Americans who think the 9/11 commission is going to answer all the crucial questions about the terrorist attacks are likely to be sorely disappointed -- especially if they're interested in the secret evacuation of Saudis by plane that began just after Sept. 11.

We knew that 15 out of 19 hijackers were Saudis. We knew that Osama bin Laden, a Saudi, was behind 9/11. Yet we did not conduct a police-style investigation of the departing Saudis, of whom two dozen were members. of the bin Laden family. That is not to say that they were complicit in the attacks.

Unfortunately, though, we may never know the real story. The investigative panel has already concluded that there is ''no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.'' But the real point is that there were still some restrictions on American airspace when the Saudi flights began.

In addition, new evidence shows that the evacuation involved more than the departure of 142 Saudis on six charter flights that the commission is investigating. According to newly released documents, 160 Saudis left the United States on 55 flights immediately after 9/11 -- making a total of about 300 people who left with the apparent approval of the Bush administration, far more than has been reported before. The records were released by the Department of Homeland Security in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by Judicial Watch, a conservative, nonpartisan watchdog group in Washington.

The vast majority of the newly disclosed flights were commercial airline flights, not charters, often carrying just two or three Saudi passengers. They originated from more than 20 cities, including Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit and Houston. One Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left Kennedy Airport on Sept. 13 with 46 Saudis. The next day, another Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left with 13 Saudis.


The panel has indicated that it has yet to find any evidence that the F.B.I. checked the manifests of departing flights against its terror watch list. The departures of additional Saudis raise more questions for the panel. Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar, told The Hill newspaper recently that he took full responsibility for approving some flights. But we don't know if other Bush administration officials participated in the decision.
The Great Escape

September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals - SourceWatch

Reda the part you highlighted.

The investigative panel has already concluded that there is ''no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.'' But the real point is that there were still some restrictions on American airspace when the Saudi flights began.

I am not bothering to read that..drek. This is tantamount to saying there isn't any evidence that the Japanese ruling government actually attacked us on December 7th 1941. Nope . Instead, it was rouge operatives within the Japanese military that did that whole surprise attack thing, it was fluke. Like it matters? 3 thousand dead Americans either way. Eye roll here. Question is: Why are you defending the Saudis? Riddle me this riddle me THAT. It's rather obvious what happened on 9/11. I don't need to read through ream after ream of documents to see what is at the tip of my nose . This ends up looking like obfuscations and redirects . Question is, why are you defending Saudi Arabia?

Why am I defending Saudi Arabia? Because you are blaming them for something they did not do. Are you like the liberals who believe in collusion because that is the only way Trump could have beaten Hillary was to cheat? That is is EXACTLY how you are acting.

17 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens as was bin Laden. Did the Royal Family send them to attack the US? No they did not

But it is no accident that so many were Saudi citizens and why AlQaeda had such strong Saudi roots
The Royal Family allowed the radical Islamic movement to flourish in their country. They encouraged it as long as there was no threat to their stranglehold on ruling the country.
Most of the funding for Al Qaeda came from within Saudi Arabia

Correct.

US court allows lawsuits claiming Saudi Arabia helped plan 9/11 terror attacks

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Do you have some kind of problem with reading?


The Great Escape

Americans who think the 9/11 commission is going to answer all the crucial questions about the terrorist attacks are likely to be sorely disappointed -- especially if they're interested in the secret evacuation of Saudis by plane that began just after Sept. 11.

We knew that 15 out of 19 hijackers were Saudis. We knew that Osama bin Laden, a Saudi, was behind 9/11. Yet we did not conduct a police-style investigation of the departing Saudis, of whom two dozen were members. of the bin Laden family. That is not to say that they were complicit in the attacks.

Unfortunately, though, we may never know the real story. The investigative panel has already concluded that there is ''no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.'' But the real point is that there were still some restrictions on American airspace when the Saudi flights began.

In addition, new evidence shows that the evacuation involved more than the departure of 142 Saudis on six charter flights that the commission is investigating. According to newly released documents, 160 Saudis left the United States on 55 flights immediately after 9/11 -- making a total of about 300 people who left with the apparent approval of the Bush administration, far more than has been reported before. The records were released by the Department of Homeland Security in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by Judicial Watch, a conservative, nonpartisan watchdog group in Washington.

The vast majority of the newly disclosed flights were commercial airline flights, not charters, often carrying just two or three Saudi passengers. They originated from more than 20 cities, including Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit and Houston. One Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left Kennedy Airport on Sept. 13 with 46 Saudis. The next day, another Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left with 13 Saudis.


The panel has indicated that it has yet to find any evidence that the F.B.I. checked the manifests of departing flights against its terror watch list. The departures of additional Saudis raise more questions for the panel. Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar, told The Hill newspaper recently that he took full responsibility for approving some flights. But we don't know if other Bush administration officials participated in the decision.
The Great Escape

September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals - SourceWatch

Reda the part you highlighted.

The investigative panel has already concluded that there is ''no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.'' But the real point is that there were still some restrictions on American airspace when the Saudi flights began.

I am not bothering to read that..drek. This is tantamount to saying there isn't any evidence that the Japanese ruling government actually attacked us on December 7th 1941. Nope . Instead, it was rouge operatives within the Japanese military that did that whole surprise attack thing, it was fluke. Like it matters? 3 thousand dead Americans either way. Eye roll here. Question is: Why are you defending the Saudis? Riddle me this riddle me THAT. It's rather obvious what happened on 9/11. I don't need to read through ream after ream of documents to see what is at the tip of my nose . This ends up looking like obfuscations and redirects . Question is, why are you defending Saudi Arabia?

Why am I defending Saudi Arabia? Because you are blaming them for something they did not do. Are you like the liberals who believe in collusion because that is the only way Trump could have beaten Hillary was to cheat? That is is EXACTLY how you are acting.

17 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens as was bin Laden. Did the Royal Family send them to attack the US? No they did not

But it is no accident that so many were Saudi citizens and why AlQaeda had such strong Saudi roots
The Royal Family allowed the radical Islamic movement to flourish in their country. They encouraged it as long as there was no threat to their stranglehold on ruling the country.
Most of the funding for Al Qaeda came from within Saudi Arabia

Correct.

US court allows lawsuits claiming Saudi Arabia helped plan 9/11 terror attacks

How did that turn out?

 

[MacTheKnife]

Newsbreaking and controversial -- an award-winning investigative journalist uncovers the thirty-year relationship between the Bush family and the House of Saud and explains its impact on American foreign policy, business, and national security.
House of Bush, House of Saud begins with a politically explosive question: How is it that two days after 9/11, when U.S. air traffic was tightly restricted, 140 Saudis, many immediate kin to Osama Bin Laden, were permitted to leave the country without being questioned by U.S. intelligence?
The answer lies in a hidden relationship that began in the 1970s, when the oil-rich House of Saud began courting American politicians in a bid for military protection, influence, and investment opportunity. With the Bush family, the Saudis hit a gusher -- direct access to presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush. To trace the amazing weave of Saud- Bush connections, Unger interviewed three former directors of the CIA, top Saudi and Israeli intelligence officials, and more than one hundred other sources. His access to major players is unparalleled and often exclusive -- including executives at the Carlyle Group, the giant investment firm where the House of Bush and the House of Saud each has a major stake.
Like Bob Woodward's The Veil, Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud features unprecedented reportage; like Michael Moore's Dude, Where's My Country? Unger's book offers a political counter-narrative to official explanations; this deeply sourced account has already been cited by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer, and sets 9/11, the two Gulf Wars, and the ongoing Middle East crisis in a new context: What really happened when America's most powerful political family became seduced by its Saudi counterparts?

But the Bush's are such nice folks....Jeb especially and George is considered very likeable even by michell, hillary, etc.

I suppose the real question here though is....did the Bush's sell out America for financial gain?

.

No. The real question would be that if Osama cared about his offspring (of which he had dozens), would he have allowed them to remain in the US as targets for possible reprisal for the attacks?

Of course not! Osama's dozens of offspring meant nothing to him except as a result of a prolific sex life with a LOT of women he called wives.

The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists --inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left? Of course not.

If the Saudi evacuees had been interrogated by competent authorities some valuable intelligence may have been obtained. At the very least it was a prudent thing to do.

• 
  In addition, new evidence shows that the evacuation involved more than the departure of 142 Saudis on six charter flights that the commission is investigating. According to newly released documents, 160 Saudis left the United States on 55 flights immediately after 9/11 -- making a total of about 300 people who left with the apparent approval of the Bush administration, far more than has been reported before. The records were released by a freedom of information request.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Newsbreaking and controversial -- an award-winning investigative journalist uncovers the thirty-year relationship between the Bush family and the House of Saud and explains its impact on American foreign policy, business, and national security.
House of Bush, House of Saud begins with a politically explosive question: How is it that two days after 9/11, when U.S. air traffic was tightly restricted, 140 Saudis, many immediate kin to Osama Bin Laden, were permitted to leave the country without being questioned by U.S. intelligence?
The answer lies in a hidden relationship that began in the 1970s, when the oil-rich House of Saud began courting American politicians in a bid for military protection, influence, and investment opportunity. With the Bush family, the Saudis hit a gusher -- direct access to presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush. To trace the amazing weave of Saud- Bush connections, Unger interviewed three former directors of the CIA, top Saudi and Israeli intelligence officials, and more than one hundred other sources. His access to major players is unparalleled and often exclusive -- including executives at the Carlyle Group, the giant investment firm where the House of Bush and the House of Saud each has a major stake.
Like Bob Woodward's The Veil, Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud features unprecedented reportage; like Michael Moore's Dude, Where's My Country? Unger's book offers a political counter-narrative to official explanations; this deeply sourced account has already been cited by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer, and sets 9/11, the two Gulf Wars, and the ongoing Middle East crisis in a new context: What really happened when America's most powerful political family became seduced by its Saudi counterparts?

But the Bush's are such nice folks....Jeb especially and George is considered very likeable even by michell, hillary, etc.

I suppose the real question here though is....did the Bush's sell out America for financial gain?

.

No. The real question would be that if Osama cared about his offspring (of which he had dozens), would he have allowed them to remain in the US as targets for possible reprisal for the attacks?

Of course not! Osama's dozens of offspring meant nothing to him except as a result of a prolific sex life with a LOT of women he called wives.

The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists --inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left? Of course not.

If the Saudi evacuees had been interrogated by competent authorities some valuable intelligence may have been obtained. At the very least it was a prudent thing to do.

If he were truly suspected, he would have been questioned long before this happened. 20/20 hindsight.

What part of the "Osama was disowned by his entire family" did you not understand? If there had been any attempt at support for him, don't you think our intelligence community would have known about it since we had been trying to kill or capture bin Laden for a LONG time?

I think you and others are merely looking for an excuse to complain.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Newsbreaking and controversial -- an award-winning investigative journalist uncovers the thirty-year relationship between the Bush family and the House of Saud and explains its impact on American foreign policy, business, and national security.
House of Bush, House of Saud begins with a politically explosive question: How is it that two days after 9/11, when U.S. air traffic was tightly restricted, 140 Saudis, many immediate kin to Osama Bin Laden, were permitted to leave the country without being questioned by U.S. intelligence?
The answer lies in a hidden relationship that began in the 1970s, when the oil-rich House of Saud began courting American politicians in a bid for military protection, influence, and investment opportunity. With the Bush family, the Saudis hit a gusher -- direct access to presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush. To trace the amazing weave of Saud- Bush connections, Unger interviewed three former directors of the CIA, top Saudi and Israeli intelligence officials, and more than one hundred other sources. His access to major players is unparalleled and often exclusive -- including executives at the Carlyle Group, the giant investment firm where the House of Bush and the House of Saud each has a major stake.
Like Bob Woodward's The Veil, Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud features unprecedented reportage; like Michael Moore's Dude, Where's My Country? Unger's book offers a political counter-narrative to official explanations; this deeply sourced account has already been cited by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer, and sets 9/11, the two Gulf Wars, and the ongoing Middle East crisis in a new context: What really happened when America's most powerful political family became seduced by its Saudi counterparts?

But the Bush's are such nice folks....Jeb especially and George is considered very likeable even by michell, hillary, etc.

I suppose the real question here though is....did the Bush's sell out America for financial gain?

.

No. The real question would be that if Osama cared about his offspring (of which he had dozens), would he have allowed them to remain in the US as targets for possible reprisal for the attacks?

Of course not! Osama's dozens of offspring meant nothing to him except as a result of a prolific sex life with a LOT of women he called wives.

The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists --inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left? Of course not.

If the Saudi evacuees had been interrogated by competent authorities some valuable intelligence may have been obtained. At the very least it was a prudent thing to do.

If he were truly suspected, he would have been questioned long before this happened. 20/20 hindsight.

What part of the "Osama was disowned by his entire family" did you not understand? If there had been any attempt at support for him, don't you think our intelligence community would have known about it since we had been trying to kill or capture bin Laden for a LONG time?

I think you and others are merely looking for an excuse to complain.

just conjecture on your part....what the intelligence community knew or did not know is unknown to anyone but them.

What needs to be understood is that powerful political people set up the operation to evacuate the saudis and no provisions were made to interrogate them....in a group that large there is a real possibility that intelligence could have been obtained under a competent interrogation.

It is well known that muslim communities and groups in America have a lot of information about a lot of stuff that relates to the jihad.

Anyone that really believes these people absolutely had nothing of value to share regarding various jihad actives and identities of muslim radicals are extremely naive and un-informed in general regarding the protocol of counter-terrorism....such as how individual muslims as well as groups of them are constantly monitored in an effort to obtain intelligence.

Bottome Line......no effort was made to find out what they may have known due to the fact that the politicians were too eager to please their Saudi friends back in Saudia Arabia.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Newsbreaking and controversial -- an award-winning investigative journalist uncovers the thirty-year relationship between the Bush family and the House of Saud and explains its impact on American foreign policy, business, and national security.
House of Bush, House of Saud begins with a politically explosive question: How is it that two days after 9/11, when U.S. air traffic was tightly restricted, 140 Saudis, many immediate kin to Osama Bin Laden, were permitted to leave the country without being questioned by U.S. intelligence?
The answer lies in a hidden relationship that began in the 1970s, when the oil-rich House of Saud began courting American politicians in a bid for military protection, influence, and investment opportunity. With the Bush family, the Saudis hit a gusher -- direct access to presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush. To trace the amazing weave of Saud- Bush connections, Unger interviewed three former directors of the CIA, top Saudi and Israeli intelligence officials, and more than one hundred other sources. His access to major players is unparalleled and often exclusive -- including executives at the Carlyle Group, the giant investment firm where the House of Bush and the House of Saud each has a major stake.
Like Bob Woodward's The Veil, Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud features unprecedented reportage; like Michael Moore's Dude, Where's My Country? Unger's book offers a political counter-narrative to official explanations; this deeply sourced account has already been cited by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer, and sets 9/11, the two Gulf Wars, and the ongoing Middle East crisis in a new context: What really happened when America's most powerful political family became seduced by its Saudi counterparts?

But the Bush's are such nice folks....Jeb especially and George is considered very likeable even by michell, hillary, etc.

I suppose the real question here though is....did the Bush's sell out America for financial gain?

.

No. The real question would be that if Osama cared about his offspring (of which he had dozens), would he have allowed them to remain in the US as targets for possible reprisal for the attacks?

Of course not! Osama's dozens of offspring meant nothing to him except as a result of a prolific sex life with a LOT of women he called wives.

The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists --inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left? Of course not.

If the Saudi evacuees had been interrogated by competent authorities some valuable intelligence may have been obtained. At the very least it was a prudent thing to do.

If he were truly suspected, he would have been questioned long before this happened. 20/20 hindsight.

What part of the "Osama was disowned by his entire family" did you not understand? If there had been any attempt at support for him, don't you think our intelligence community would have known about it since we had been trying to kill or capture bin Laden for a LONG time?

I think you and others are merely looking for an excuse to complain.

just conjecture on your part....what the intelligence community knew or did not know is unknown to anyone but them.

What needs to be understood is that powerful political people set up the operation to evacuate and no provisions were made to interrogate them....in a group that large there is a real possibility that some intelligence could have been obtained under a competent interrogation. ...

I am still not sure why you do not get it. Osama bin Laden's children were high school and college students. They are not the greatest source of intelligence on a man that most had never seen or heard from since they impregnated their mother.

If the intel community wanted to interrogate them, they could have and would have. All you have is conjecture.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Newsbreaking and controversial -- an award-winning investigative journalist uncovers the thirty-year relationship between the Bush family and the House of Saud and explains its impact on American foreign policy, business, and national security.
House of Bush, House of Saud begins with a politically explosive question: How is it that two days after 9/11, when U.S. air traffic was tightly restricted, 140 Saudis, many immediate kin to Osama Bin Laden, were permitted to leave the country without being questioned by U.S. intelligence?
The answer lies in a hidden relationship that began in the 1970s, when the oil-rich House of Saud began courting American politicians in a bid for military protection, influence, and investment opportunity. With the Bush family, the Saudis hit a gusher -- direct access to presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush. To trace the amazing weave of Saud- Bush connections, Unger interviewed three former directors of the CIA, top Saudi and Israeli intelligence officials, and more than one hundred other sources. His access to major players is unparalleled and often exclusive -- including executives at the Carlyle Group, the giant investment firm where the House of Bush and the House of Saud each has a major stake.
Like Bob Woodward's The Veil, Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud features unprecedented reportage; like Michael Moore's Dude, Where's My Country? Unger's book offers a political counter-narrative to official explanations; this deeply sourced account has already been cited by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer, and sets 9/11, the two Gulf Wars, and the ongoing Middle East crisis in a new context: What really happened when America's most powerful political family became seduced by its Saudi counterparts?

But the Bush's are such nice folks....Jeb especially and George is considered very likeable even by michell, hillary, etc.

I suppose the real question here though is....did the Bush's sell out America for financial gain?

.

No. The real question would be that if Osama cared about his offspring (of which he had dozens), would he have allowed them to remain in the US as targets for possible reprisal for the attacks?

Of course not! Osama's dozens of offspring meant nothing to him except as a result of a prolific sex life with a LOT of women he called wives.

The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists --inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left? Of course not.

If the Saudi evacuees had been interrogated by competent authorities some valuable intelligence may have been obtained. At the very least it was a prudent thing to do.

If he were truly suspected, he would have been questioned long before this happened. 20/20 hindsight.

What part of the "Osama was disowned by his entire family" did you not understand? If there had been any attempt at support for him, don't you think our intelligence community would have known about it since we had been trying to kill or capture bin Laden for a LONG time?

I think you and others are merely looking for an excuse to complain.

just conjecture on your part....what the intelligence community knew or did not know is unknown to anyone but them.

What needs to be understood is that powerful political people set up the operation to evacuate and no provisions were made to interrogate them....in a group that large there is a real possibility that some intelligence could have been obtained under a competent interrogation. ...

I am still not sure why you do not get it. Osama bin Laden's children were high school and college students. They are not the greatest source of intelligence on a man that most had never seen or heard from since they impregnated their mother.

If the intel community wanted to interrogate them, they could have and would have. All you have is conjecture.

There were a lot more saudis evacuated other than just osama relatives. You are not being logical to say the least.

You do not know whether or not the intelligence folks would have liked or wanted to interrogate them but were overruled or it may have all been done so quickly the intelligence community did not even know it was going on in time to try and persuade the politicians to have the saudis interrogated before they were allowed to depart.

I think any competent counter-terrorism officer would have loved to question at least some in that group.

In a nutshell the hasty evacuation was contrived and controlled by powerful politicians or their underlings without any concern other than to get them out and get them out as quickly as possible.

https://nypost.com/2016/04/17/how-us-covered-up-saudi-role-in-911/

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No. The real question would be that if Osama cared about his offspring (of which he had dozens), would he have allowed them to remain in the US as targets for possible reprisal for the attacks?

Of course not! Osama's dozens of offspring meant nothing to him except as a result of a prolific sex life with a LOT of women he called wives.

The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists --inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left? Of course not.

If the Saudi evacuees had been interrogated by competent authorities some valuable intelligence may have been obtained. At the very least it was a prudent thing to do.

If he were truly suspected, he would have been questioned long before this happened. 20/20 hindsight.

What part of the "Osama was disowned by his entire family" did you not understand? If there had been any attempt at support for him, don't you think our intelligence community would have known about it since we had been trying to kill or capture bin Laden for a LONG time?

I think you and others are merely looking for an excuse to complain.

just conjecture on your part....what the intelligence community knew or did not know is unknown to anyone but them.

What needs to be understood is that powerful political people set up the operation to evacuate and no provisions were made to interrogate them....in a group that large there is a real possibility that some intelligence could have been obtained under a competent interrogation. ...

I am still not sure why you do not get it. Osama bin Laden's children were high school and college students. They are not the greatest source of intelligence on a man that most had never seen or heard from since they impregnated their mother.

If the intel community wanted to interrogate them, they could have and would have. All you have is conjecture.

There were a lot more saudis evacuated other than just osama relatives. You are not being logical to say the least.

You do not know whether or not the intelligence folks would have liked or wanted to interrogate them but were overruled or it may have all been done so quickly the intelligence community did not even know it was going on in time to try and persuade the politicians to have the saudis interrogated before they were allowed to depart.

I think any competent counter-terrorism officer would have loved to question at least some in that group.

In a nutshell the hasty evacuation was contrived and controlled by powerful politicians or their underlings without any concern other than to get them out and get them out as quickly as possible.

I think you need to look up "conjecture". I don't think you have it as that is all you have been posting. You don't know and have no facts supporting it. That is called a "conjecture".

con·jec·ture
noun

1. 1.
   an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

 

[MacTheKnife]

The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists --inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left? Of course not.

If the Saudi evacuees had been interrogated by competent authorities some valuable intelligence may have been obtained. At the very least it was a prudent thing to do.

If he were truly suspected, he would have been questioned long before this happened. 20/20 hindsight.

What part of the "Osama was disowned by his entire family" did you not understand? If there had been any attempt at support for him, don't you think our intelligence community would have known about it since we had been trying to kill or capture bin Laden for a LONG time?

I think you and others are merely looking for an excuse to complain.

just conjecture on your part....what the intelligence community knew or did not know is unknown to anyone but them.

What needs to be understood is that powerful political people set up the operation to evacuate and no provisions were made to interrogate them....in a group that large there is a real possibility that some intelligence could have been obtained under a competent interrogation. ...

I am still not sure why you do not get it. Osama bin Laden's children were high school and college students. They are not the greatest source of intelligence on a man that most had never seen or heard from since they impregnated their mother.

If the intel community wanted to interrogate them, they could have and would have. All you have is conjecture.

There were a lot more saudis evacuated other than just osama relatives. You are not being logical to say the least.

You do not know whether or not the intelligence folks would have liked or wanted to interrogate them but were overruled or it may have all been done so quickly the intelligence community did not even know it was going on in time to try and persuade the politicians to have the saudis interrogated before they were allowed to depart.

I think any competent counter-terrorism officer would have loved to question at least some in that group.

In a nutshell the hasty evacuation was contrived and controlled by powerful politicians or their underlings without any concern other than to get them out and get them out as quickly as possible.

I think you need to look up "conjecture". I don't think you have it as that is all you have been posting. You don't know and have no facts supporting it. That is called a "conjecture".

con·jec·ture
noun

1. 1.
   an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

That describes you to a T of course. On the other hand I have quoted and linked competent and knowledgable people and various sources such as.........................September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals - SourceWatch

 

[MacTheKnife]

If he were truly suspected, he would have been questioned long before this happened. 20/20 hindsight.

What part of the "Osama was disowned by his entire family" did you not understand? If there had been any attempt at support for him, don't you think our intelligence community would have known about it since we had been trying to kill or capture bin Laden for a LONG time?

I think you and others are merely looking for an excuse to complain.

just conjecture on your part....what the intelligence community knew or did not know is unknown to anyone but them.

What needs to be understood is that powerful political people set up the operation to evacuate and no provisions were made to interrogate them....in a group that large there is a real possibility that some intelligence could have been obtained under a competent interrogation. ...

I am still not sure why you do not get it. Osama bin Laden's children were high school and college students. They are not the greatest source of intelligence on a man that most had never seen or heard from since they impregnated their mother.

If the intel community wanted to interrogate them, they could have and would have. All you have is conjecture.

There were a lot more saudis evacuated other than just osama relatives. You are not being logical to say the least.

You do not know whether or not the intelligence folks would have liked or wanted to interrogate them but were overruled or it may have all been done so quickly the intelligence community did not even know it was going on in time to try and persuade the politicians to have the saudis interrogated before they were allowed to depart.

I think any competent counter-terrorism officer would have loved to question at least some in that group.

In a nutshell the hasty evacuation was contrived and controlled by powerful politicians or their underlings without any concern other than to get them out and get them out as quickly as possible.

I think you need to look up "conjecture". I don't think you have it as that is all you have been posting. You don't know and have no facts supporting it. That is called a "conjecture".

con·jec·ture
noun

1. 1.
   an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

That describes you to a T of course. On the other hand I have quoted and linked competent and knowledgable people and various sources such as.........................September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals - SourceWatch

Can you name anyone of a competent nature that has said they opposed the interrogation of the saudi evacuees? Of course not. Once again all you have is your opinion and it is not enough. Case closed.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If he were truly suspected, he would have been questioned long before this happened. 20/20 hindsight.

What part of the "Osama was disowned by his entire family" did you not understand? If there had been any attempt at support for him, don't you think our intelligence community would have known about it since we had been trying to kill or capture bin Laden for a LONG time?

I think you and others are merely looking for an excuse to complain.

just conjecture on your part....what the intelligence community knew or did not know is unknown to anyone but them.

What needs to be understood is that powerful political people set up the operation to evacuate and no provisions were made to interrogate them....in a group that large there is a real possibility that some intelligence could have been obtained under a competent interrogation. ...

I am still not sure why you do not get it. Osama bin Laden's children were high school and college students. They are not the greatest source of intelligence on a man that most had never seen or heard from since they impregnated their mother.

If the intel community wanted to interrogate them, they could have and would have. All you have is conjecture.

There were a lot more saudis evacuated other than just osama relatives. You are not being logical to say the least.

You do not know whether or not the intelligence folks would have liked or wanted to interrogate them but were overruled or it may have all been done so quickly the intelligence community did not even know it was going on in time to try and persuade the politicians to have the saudis interrogated before they were allowed to depart.

I think any competent counter-terrorism officer would have loved to question at least some in that group.

In a nutshell the hasty evacuation was contrived and controlled by powerful politicians or their underlings without any concern other than to get them out and get them out as quickly as possible.

I think you need to look up "conjecture". I don't think you have it as that is all you have been posting. You don't know and have no facts supporting it. That is called a "conjecture".

con·jec·ture
noun

1. 1.
   an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

That describes you to a T of course. On the other hand I have quoted and linked competent and knowledgable people and various sources such as.........................September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals - SourceWatch

You are quoting conjecture by others.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

just conjecture on your part....what the intelligence community knew or did not know is unknown to anyone but them.

What needs to be understood is that powerful political people set up the operation to evacuate and no provisions were made to interrogate them....in a group that large there is a real possibility that some intelligence could have been obtained under a competent interrogation. ...

I am still not sure why you do not get it. Osama bin Laden's children were high school and college students. They are not the greatest source of intelligence on a man that most had never seen or heard from since they impregnated their mother.

If the intel community wanted to interrogate them, they could have and would have. All you have is conjecture.

There were a lot more saudis evacuated other than just osama relatives. You are not being logical to say the least.

You do not know whether or not the intelligence folks would have liked or wanted to interrogate them but were overruled or it may have all been done so quickly the intelligence community did not even know it was going on in time to try and persuade the politicians to have the saudis interrogated before they were allowed to depart.

I think any competent counter-terrorism officer would have loved to question at least some in that group.

In a nutshell the hasty evacuation was contrived and controlled by powerful politicians or their underlings without any concern other than to get them out and get them out as quickly as possible.

I think you need to look up "conjecture". I don't think you have it as that is all you have been posting. You don't know and have no facts supporting it. That is called a "conjecture".

con·jec·ture
noun

1. 1.
   an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

That describes you to a T of course. On the other hand I have quoted and linked competent and knowledgable people and various sources such as.........................September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals - SourceWatch

Can you name anyone of a competent nature that has said they opposed the interrogation of the saudi evacuees? Of course not. Once again all you have is your opinion and it is not enough. Case closed.

Illogical. I cannot prove a negative. Keep digging! You are losing more with every irrelevant post you make.

 

[rightwinger]

Newsbreaking and controversial -- an award-winning investigative journalist uncovers the thirty-year relationship between the Bush family and the House of Saud and explains its impact on American foreign policy, business, and national security.
House of Bush, House of Saud begins with a politically explosive question: How is it that two days after 9/11, when U.S. air traffic was tightly restricted, 140 Saudis, many immediate kin to Osama Bin Laden, were permitted to leave the country without being questioned by U.S. intelligence?
The answer lies in a hidden relationship that began in the 1970s, when the oil-rich House of Saud began courting American politicians in a bid for military protection, influence, and investment opportunity. With the Bush family, the Saudis hit a gusher -- direct access to presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush. To trace the amazing weave of Saud- Bush connections, Unger interviewed three former directors of the CIA, top Saudi and Israeli intelligence officials, and more than one hundred other sources. His access to major players is unparalleled and often exclusive -- including executives at the Carlyle Group, the giant investment firm where the House of Bush and the House of Saud each has a major stake.
Like Bob Woodward's The Veil, Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud features unprecedented reportage; like Michael Moore's Dude, Where's My Country? Unger's book offers a political counter-narrative to official explanations; this deeply sourced account has already been cited by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer, and sets 9/11, the two Gulf Wars, and the ongoing Middle East crisis in a new context: What really happened when America's most powerful political family became seduced by its Saudi counterparts?

But the Bush's are such nice folks....Jeb especially and George is considered very likeable even by michell, hillary, etc.

I suppose the real question here though is....did the Bush's sell out America for financial gain?

.

No. The real question would be that if Osama cared about his offspring (of which he had dozens), would he have allowed them to remain in the US as targets for possible reprisal for the attacks?

Of course not! Osama's dozens of offspring meant nothing to him except as a result of a prolific sex life with a LOT of women he called wives.

The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists --inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left? Of course not.

If the Saudi evacuees had been interrogated by competent authorities some valuable intelligence may have been obtained. At the very least it was a prudent thing to do.

If he were truly suspected, he would have been questioned long before this happened. 20/20 hindsight.

What part of the "Osama was disowned by his entire family" did you not understand? If there had been any attempt at support for him, don't you think our intelligence community would have known about it since we had been trying to kill or capture bin Laden for a LONG time?

I think you and others are merely looking for an excuse to complain.

It was more than OBL it was a whole radical Islamic movement centered in Saudi Arabia

 

[MacTheKnife]

Newsbreaking and controversial -- an award-winning investigative journalist uncovers the thirty-year relationship between the Bush family and the House of Saud and explains its impact on American foreign policy, business, and national security.
House of Bush, House of Saud begins with a politically explosive question: How is it that two days after 9/11, when U.S. air traffic was tightly restricted, 140 Saudis, many immediate kin to Osama Bin Laden, were permitted to leave the country without being questioned by U.S. intelligence?
The answer lies in a hidden relationship that began in the 1970s, when the oil-rich House of Saud began courting American politicians in a bid for military protection, influence, and investment opportunity. With the Bush family, the Saudis hit a gusher -- direct access to presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush. To trace the amazing weave of Saud- Bush connections, Unger interviewed three former directors of the CIA, top Saudi and Israeli intelligence officials, and more than one hundred other sources. His access to major players is unparalleled and often exclusive -- including executives at the Carlyle Group, the giant investment firm where the House of Bush and the House of Saud each has a major stake.
Like Bob Woodward's The Veil, Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud features unprecedented reportage; like Michael Moore's Dude, Where's My Country? Unger's book offers a political counter-narrative to official explanations; this deeply sourced account has already been cited by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer, and sets 9/11, the two Gulf Wars, and the ongoing Middle East crisis in a new context: What really happened when America's most powerful political family became seduced by its Saudi counterparts?

But the Bush's are such nice folks....Jeb especially and George is considered very likeable even by michell, hillary, etc.

I suppose the real question here though is....did the Bush's sell out America for financial gain?

.

No. The real question would be that if Osama cared about his offspring (of which he had dozens), would he have allowed them to remain in the US as targets for possible reprisal for the attacks?

Of course not! Osama's dozens of offspring meant nothing to him except as a result of a prolific sex life with a LOT of women he called wives.

The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists --inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left? Of course not.

If the Saudi evacuees had been interrogated by competent authorities some valuable intelligence may have been obtained. At the very least it was a prudent thing to do.

If he were truly suspected, he would have been questioned long before this happened. 20/20 hindsight.

What part of the "Osama was disowned by his entire family" did you not understand? If there had been any attempt at support for him, don't you think our intelligence community would have known about it since we had been trying to kill or capture bin Laden for a LONG time?

I think you and others are merely looking for an excuse to complain.

It was more than OBL it was a whole radical Islamic movement centered in Saudi Arabia

Newsbreaking and controversial -- an award-winning investigative journalist uncovers the thirty-year relationship between the Bush family and the House of Saud and explains its impact on American foreign policy, business, and national security.
House of Bush, House of Saud begins with a politically explosive question: How is it that two days after 9/11, when U.S. air traffic was tightly restricted, 140 Saudis, many immediate kin to Osama Bin Laden, were permitted to leave the country without being questioned by U.S. intelligence?
The answer lies in a hidden relationship that began in the 1970s, when the oil-rich House of Saud began courting American politicians in a bid for military protection, influence, and investment opportunity. With the Bush family, the Saudis hit a gusher -- direct access to presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush. To trace the amazing weave of Saud- Bush connections, Unger interviewed three former directors of the CIA, top Saudi and Israeli intelligence officials, and more than one hundred other sources. His access to major players is unparalleled and often exclusive -- including executives at the Carlyle Group, the giant investment firm where the House of Bush and the House of Saud each has a major stake.
Like Bob Woodward's The Veil, Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud features unprecedented reportage; like Michael Moore's Dude, Where's My Country? Unger's book offers a political counter-narrative to official explanations; this deeply sourced account has already been cited by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer, and sets 9/11, the two Gulf Wars, and the ongoing Middle East crisis in a new context: What really happened when America's most powerful political family became seduced by its Saudi counterparts?

But the Bush's are such nice folks....Jeb especially and George is considered very likeable even by michell, hillary, etc.

I suppose the real question here though is....did the Bush's sell out America for financial gain?

.

No. The real question would be that if Osama cared about his offspring (of which he had dozens), would he have allowed them to remain in the US as targets for possible reprisal for the attacks?

Of course not! Osama's dozens of offspring meant nothing to him except as a result of a prolific sex life with a LOT of women he called wives.

The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists --inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left? Of course not.

If the Saudi evacuees had been interrogated by competent authorities some valuable intelligence may have been obtained. At the very least it was a prudent thing to do.

If he were truly suspected, he would have been questioned long before this happened. 20/20 hindsight.

What part of the "Osama was disowned by his entire family" did you not understand? If there had been any attempt at support for him, don't you think our intelligence community would have known about it since we had been trying to kill or capture bin Laden for a LONG time?

I think you and others are merely looking for an excuse to complain.

It was more than OBL it was a whole radical Islamic movement centered in Saudi Arabia

Islam is a radical religion...there have been periods in history where they were quiet but time and again they have come storming out of the desert ready to conquer the world....that is part of their religion.

People like g.w. bush who trotted around the world proclaiming islam to be a religion of peace are either stupid, ignorant or lying for some nefarious reason...in the case of bush most likely because of the families close relationship with the Saudis.

Jihad is part of their religion.

Understanding Jihad Part Two: The Creed Behind the Cruelty

 

[MacTheKnife]

I am still not sure why you do not get it. Osama bin Laden's children were high school and college students. They are not the greatest source of intelligence on a man that most had never seen or heard from since they impregnated their mother.

If the intel community wanted to interrogate them, they could have and would have. All you have is conjecture.

There were a lot more saudis evacuated other than just osama relatives. You are not being logical to say the least.

You do not know whether or not the intelligence folks would have liked or wanted to interrogate them but were overruled or it may have all been done so quickly the intelligence community did not even know it was going on in time to try and persuade the politicians to have the saudis interrogated before they were allowed to depart.

I think any competent counter-terrorism officer would have loved to question at least some in that group.

In a nutshell the hasty evacuation was contrived and controlled by powerful politicians or their underlings without any concern other than to get them out and get them out as quickly as possible.

I think you need to look up "conjecture". I don't think you have it as that is all you have been posting. You don't know and have no facts supporting it. That is called a "conjecture".

con·jec·ture
noun

1. 1.
   an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

That describes you to a T of course. On the other hand I have quoted and linked competent and knowledgable people and various sources such as.........................September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals - SourceWatch

Can you name anyone of a competent nature that has said they opposed the interrogation of the saudi evacuees? Of course not. Once again all you have is your opinion and it is not enough. Case closed.

Illogical. I cannot prove a negative. Keep digging! You are losing more with every irrelevant post you make.

I am still not sure why you do not get it. Osama bin Laden's children were high school and college students. They are not the greatest source of intelligence on a man that most had never seen or heard from since they impregnated their mother.

If the intel community wanted to interrogate them, they could have and would have. All you have is conjecture.

There were a lot more saudis evacuated other than just osama relatives. You are not being logical to say the least.

You do not know whether or not the intelligence folks would have liked or wanted to interrogate them but were overruled or it may have all been done so quickly the intelligence community did not even know it was going on in time to try and persuade the politicians to have the saudis interrogated before they were allowed to depart.

I think any competent counter-terrorism officer would have loved to question at least some in that group.

In a nutshell the hasty evacuation was contrived and controlled by powerful politicians or their underlings without any concern other than to get them out and get them out as quickly as possible.

I think you need to look up "conjecture". I don't think you have it as that is all you have been posting. You don't know and have no facts supporting it. That is called a "conjecture".

con·jec·ture
noun

1. 1.
   an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

That describes you to a T of course. On the other hand I have quoted and linked competent and knowledgable people and various sources such as.........................September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals - SourceWatch

Can you name anyone of a competent nature that has said they opposed the interrogation of the saudi evacuees? Of course not. Once again all you have is your opinion and it is not enough. Case closed.

Illogical. I cannot prove a negative. Keep digging! You are losing more with every irrelevant post you make.

No one has asked you to prove anything. Again....this case is closed. You lost deal wid it.