The truth?

[Truthmatters]

Unemployment has nothing to do with the middle class???????


You are one ******* stupid person.

Middle class people never get laid off huh?

 

[Truthmatters]

The New Deal kept unemployment in the teens for a decade, until WWII came along.

Timeline of the Great Depression


Unemp.
Year Rate
-------------------------------------------------
1929 3.2% < Hoover era, Great Depression begins
1930 8.7
1931 15.9
1932 23.6
1933 24.9 < FDR, New Deal begins; contraction ends March
1934 21.7
1935 20.1
1936 16.9
1937 14.3 < recession begins, May
1938 19.0 < recession ends, June
1939 17.2



You guys dont get to rewrite history to fit you failed ideas

 

[william the wie]

Unemployment has nothing to do with the middle class???????


You are one ******* stupid person.

Middle class people never get laid off huh?

You are arguing about income flow multipliers and not looking at your own data. The big returns are in payments for actual necessities: food stamps, emergency medical care, just in case cell phones, winter heating subsidies to avoid hypothermia and so on. No one is attacking that, what is being attacked is money that can be spent on sex, drugs and rock & roll. If you want to win that argument you will have to address that issue.

 

[Revere]

The New Deal kept unemployment in the teens for a decade, until WWII came along.

Timeline of the Great Depression


Unemp.
Year Rate
-------------------------------------------------
1929 3.2% < Hoover era, Great Depression begins
1930 8.7
1931 15.9
1932 23.6
1933 24.9 < FDR, New Deal begins; contraction ends March
1934 21.7
1935 20.1
1936 16.9
1937 14.3 < recession begins, May
1938 19.0 < recession ends, June
1939 17.2



You guys dont get to rewrite history to fit you failed ideas

Never got unemployment back down to normal. And the stock market did not return to 1929 levels until 1954.

 

[Revere]

Unemployment has nothing to do with the middle class???????


You are one ******* stupid person.

Middle class people never get laid off huh?

Are you middle class if you are on unemployment compensation?

 

[Truthmatters]

Yes you ******* idiot you can be middle class and collect unemployment.

 

[Revere]

Are you middle class if you depend on government permanently for unemployment compensation?

 

[Truthmatters]

Unemployment is Not permentant you ******* lying idot

 

[Truthmatters]

The New Deal kept unemployment in the teens for a decade, until WWII came along.

Timeline of the Great Depression


Unemp.
Year Rate
-------------------------------------------------
1929 3.2% < Hoover era, Great Depression begins
1930 8.7
1931 15.9
1932 23.6
1933 24.9 < FDR, New Deal begins; contraction ends March
1934 21.7
1935 20.1
1936 16.9
1937 14.3 < recession begins, May
1938 19.0 < recession ends, June
1939 17.2



You guys dont get to rewrite history to fit you failed ideas

Never got unemployment back down to normal. And the stock market did not return to 1929 levels until 1954.

Unemployment (% labor force)
Year Lebergott Darby[72]
1933 24.9 20.6
1934 21.7 16.0
1935 20.1 14.2
1936 16.9 9.9
1937 14.3 9.1
1938 19.0 12.5
1939 17.2 11.3
1940 14.6 9.5
1941 9.9 8.0
1942 4.7 4.7
1943 1.9 1.9
1944 1.2 1.2
1945




Dear ******* asswipe , your rewrite of history will not work.

You shit on every American who lived through this time and worked their asses off to END the GD.

They bared the cost of the mess in their daily lives and LOVED FDR for the results they saw right in their own meger homes.


You can go **** yourself and shove your lies right up your ass.



YOU are what is wrong with this country.

YOU want lies instead of facts and you WILL NOT GET THEM!

 

[Revere]

The US was producing armaments for lend lease elsewhere by 1941.

Nothing to do with the New Deal.

By 1942, it was fully mobilized in a world war.

 

[Revere]

If unemployment is not permanent, why do we need to keep renewing it, now 13 months past 99 weeks?

 

[Truthmatters]

Dear ******* idiot , military spending IS government spending.

You are so ******* dishonest you think you can actually GET AWAY with rewriting history for political purposes.

Well **** you and the elephant you rode in on.

FACTS will continue to kill your silly assed bullshit.

I dont know what you have to gain by lying about history but you sure dont gain any respect for your utter dishonesty.

 

[Truthmatters]

I want you right wing hacks to face what you do to the greatest generation when you piss on FDR with yoiur lies and history rewrites.

YOU INSULT the very people who won WWII and sweat and bled to bring this country out a our darkest hour.


Your love of party and failed ideas has you insulting a vast swath of the people who lived through it.

 

[Revere]

FDR failed to get unemployment out of the toilet until WWII came along.

The greatest generation was great because they fought the war, not because they suffered his failures.

 

[Revere]

Military spending was a response to an attack and an all out war on two fronts.

Nothing FDR did.

 

[william the wie]

I want you right wing hacks to face what you do to the greatest generation when you piss on FDR with yoiur lies and history rewrites.

YOU INSULT the very people who won WWII and sweat and bled to bring this country out a our darkest hour.


Your love of party and failed ideas has you insulting a vast swath of the people who lived through it.

Hold on a second, dad was a WWII vet with 4 campaign ribbons and a bronze star. He would be the first to call that greatest generation line bullshit. His granddaddy fought in the Civil War and some of his great to the 4th granddads fought in the War of Independence. (Losing side both times, oops.) That is your first error of fact.

FDR became president because of deals he cut with Frank Nitti and Lucky Luciano to win the 1932 Democrat nomination on the fourth ballot something that has been an open secret since the 1960s. Your second error of fact.

You might wish to learn how to read history and then do so. FDR was a crooked paranoid egomaniac who did enormous harm to this nation and deserves to be pissed on.

 

[loosecannon]

I want you right wing hacks to face what you do to the greatest generation when you piss on FDR with yoiur lies and history rewrites.

YOU INSULT the very people who won WWII and sweat and bled to bring this country out a our darkest hour.


Your love of party and failed ideas has you insulting a vast swath of the people who lived through it.

Hold on a second, dad was a WWII vet with 4 campaign ribbons and a bronze star. He would be the first to call that greatest generation line bullshit. His granddaddy fought in the Civil War and some of his great to the 4th granddads fought in the War of Independence. (Losing side both times, oops.) That is your first error of fact.

FDR became president because of deals he cut with Frank Nitti and Lucky Luciano to win the 1932 Democrat nomination on the fourth ballot something that has been an open secret since the 1960s. Your second error of fact.

You might wish to learn how to read history and then do so. FDR was a crooked paranoid egomaniac who did enormous harm to this nation and deserves to be pissed on.

please continue, picking up where you left off.

 

[william the wie]

It's a toss up as to whether the Revolutionary War or Seven Years War was the most important war fought by Americans as far as the rest of the world was concerned. The loss of French Canada and later the Louisiana purchase made English the world lingua franca and as that phrase indicates France was way ahead in that race prior to 1763. The Revolutionary War is still reverberating as revolutions and independence movements worldwide draw inspiration from it still.

America's entry into WW II had little impact in the ETO. Stalingrad had already happened before any American boots hit hostile European territory and Germany lacked the troops, oil, copper and aluminum to win against Russia. The Pacific war was the result of numerous missteps, mostly American, going back to at least the Spanish-American War and maybe the Mexican-American war. (Not seizing the mouth of the Colorado, Baja and enough of Northern Mexico to have a massive and protected naval anchorage in the Sea of Cortez probably made Pearl Harbor inevitable.) The West Coast provides the east a mountain barrier to protect its western flank which make a Russian style defense in depth possible but the western coastal plain lacks means of ready retreat and the number of harbors is deficient. SF and Seattle naval utility is comparable, I kid you not, to King's Bay GA. Too few and too big rivers are the problem.

As to mob influence on the Democratic party an overlay of Democratic strongholds and mob strongholds approach 100% correlation but the real kicker is that more FBI files from the 1930s through the 1980s are being declassified and the links are not pretty. "The Outfit" by Gus Russo is one of the more recent retellings of the files but basically the Mafia ran the Democratic party until 1964 when they wrote it off as a bad investment. (An alternative date is the Columbo assassination but mostly for the NY mob.) The GOP has had it associations as well most noticeably Ronald Reagan as their puppet president of SAG but generally the GOP hogs the graft and does not share with other criminals. The Dems have generally had two wings useful idiots and until recently mob associates, FDR straddled the line.

 

[daveman]

CETA was one of many 70s boondoggles that did nothing but grow government.

And that's his goal: Bigger government.

 

[Againsheila]

It is no longer unemployment compensation. Call a spade a spade.
It is welfare. Pure and simple...welfare.
And I bet you every single member on this forum knows at least one person who is leaning on unemployment instead of working.
I would wager at least 30% of all who receive it take advantage of it in one way or another.

I know people who've run out of benefits that are still, and have been all along, looking for work. I know people, including myself, who never applied for unemployment because they weren't going to look for another job.

Even if what you claim is true, that's 70% of the people that are using it as intended. You want to punish them because 30% aren't using it as intended?

You pulled 30% out of thin air.

Are you going to tell us only 30% of people who have collected unemploment for 99 weeks could find another job, but don't?

How long would unemployment have to be before you considered it permanent welfare?

iamwhatiseem pulled it out of thin air, not me.