The TRUTH about slavery in the U.S.A.

[JakeStarkey]

Thomas Jefferson​

• Vehemently opposed slavery

• Introduced legislation in Virginia to end slavery before the U.S. even declared independence from England

• Inherited slaves from his family and was not permitted to release them by law

• Original writings prove his disdain for slavery and his deep desire to see it end

Listen from the 4:30 mark to the 8:00 minute mark for the truth about Thomas Jefferson and slavery:

Slavery and Our Founders Part I: Thomas Jefferson

I have a lot of respect for Thomas Jefferson the writer and thinker- but like many people- he was conflicted- he was personally opposed to slavery- yet at the same time bought and sold slaves- and allowed his slaves to be beaten.

That's simply not true. His slaves were explicitly forbidden from being beaten and the people charged with overseeing his estate while he served overseas, in Washington, etc. are on record stating as much.

But thank you for recognizing that Thomas Jefferson vehemently opposed slavery - something so many progressives deny.

even if Jefferson wasn't a racist slave owning child rapist what does it matter? there were a lot more people than jefferson involved in the founding. They all couldve made slavery illegal, and they chose not too.

But that's simply not true. I'm going to continue to post the truth about the founders. But here's a quick synopsis for you:

Of the 56 founders who signed the Declaration of Independence - only 15 kept their slaves and/or continued to support slavery. 15 out of 56!!!! That's less than 27% of the founders who signed that document.

It's inexcusable to condemn all people based on the actions of less than 27%.

do you have any sources for any of this or are you just making it up as you go along?

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And bingo was his name Oh

Patriot is a racialist is all, as is davecmarino.

 

[P@triot]

even if Jefferson wasn't a racist slave owning child rapist what does it matter?

Boy...if this doesn't illustrate the mind-set of the modern day progressive. What does it matter? Well, I know this is hard for progressives to wrap their mind around, but the truth matters. The truth always matters.

For starters, how would you like people declaring you a "child rapist" if you did no such thing?

Second - Thomas Jefferson is no average, unknown individual. He's a legend. He helped found this nation. He penned the Declaration of Independence. His ideas, views, writings, etc. where used to design our entire structure of government. To attack him for things he didn't do has a more definitive impact on society than it does if you were to be falsely accused.

How sad that you would say "what does it matter" to a person being falsely accused of horrific acts. Speaks volumes about your character and integrity.

 

[P@triot]

Just goes to show that the Democrats are still fighting the civil war. They don't like that their slaves were freed by the white man while slavery got to continue in areas not controlled by white men for many years to come and in some areas of the world continues to this day. They fight to keep the black man enslaved on the Democrat Political Plantations.


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I've been saying that for decades Dave. They continue to fight for slavery to this day. They take the fruits of our labor against our will in the form of taxes and redistribute it to others.

 

[Flopper]

what about the fact that it said only white men could vote? I suppose that wasn't racist either?

The constitution laid no requirements on voting withing the states. Electors to the Electoral College could be selected by states in any way they choose. Members of the House of Representative were to be chosen by the people of each state with no restriction as how that was to be done. Senators were chosen by the state legislatures. Who could vote was left to the states. Remember, the founders founded a republic. They had little interest democracy.

However, the states in the early days of the nation generally placed a lot of restrictions on voting. Usually only adult white male property owners were allowed to vote. In some states, voting was also restricted to only the members of the predominate religion in the community.

The bottom line was that only about 10% of the population was allowed to vote.

 

[P@triot]

do you have any sources for any of this or are you just making it up as you go along?

The audacity to say that after you completely made up that the U.S. Constitution established that only "white men could vote" (when it did no such thing).

I'm waiting for you to either admit you lied or made that up before we continue. Which was it PurpleOwl?

 

[PurpleOwl]

what about the fact that it said only white men could vote? I suppose that wasn't racist either?

The bottom line was that only about 10% of the population was allowed to vote.

yay democracy lol

 

[PurpleOwl]

do you have any sources for any of this or are you just making it up as you go along?

The audacity to say that after you completely made up that the U.S. Constitution established that only "white men could vote" (when it did no such thing).

I'm waiting for you to either admit you lied or made that up before we continue. Which was it PurpleOwl?

was Thomas Jefferson a slave owning racist who raped little black girls? Yes or no?

 

[NYcarbineer]

If the Constitution was NOT created by racist oppressive white men, why did it include the 1807 anti-slave trade clause which empowered domestic slave holders and enriched them?

That was actually the purpose of it, unless YOU don't know the history of slavery in the US?

The prohibition of international slave trading was overwhelmingly supported by established slave holders who then got to sell their own slaves as capital rather than mere labor in an open market.

Well...for starters...it didn't. No such "clause" exists in the U.S. Constitution. Never did. So you're either lying or you are a prime example of the uninformed, uneducated progressive minion that has been duped by their progressive masters.

Now - what I think you're attempting to refer to here was the federal law enacted in 1807 (which was not an amendment to the U.S. Constitution) which prohibited slaves from being imported into the U.S. Or the exact opposite of what you claimed above.

Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person."

Article 1 Section 9

 

[P@triot]

do you have any sources for any of this or are you just making it up as you go along?

As a matter of fact, I do. And I posted it in my second post. How embarrassing that you just got caught failing to read the link and listen to the audio before commenting.

 

[PurpleOwl]

do you have any sources for any of this or are you just making it up as you go along?

As a matter of fact, I do. And I posted it in my second post. How embarrassing that you just got caught failing to read the link and listen to the audio before commenting.

it sounds more like desperate white supremacist apologism

 

[JakeStarkey]

Patriot is an Alt Right guy who caught posting stupid stuff.

Articles I and IV clearly identify that slavery is part of the Constitution. Amendments XIII, XIV, and XV beat down people like Patriot.

 

[Syriusly]

Thomas Jefferson​

• Vehemently opposed slavery

• Introduced legislation in Virginia to end slavery before the U.S. even declared independence from England

• Inherited slaves from his family and was not permitted to release them by law

• Original writings prove his disdain for slavery and his deep desire to see it end

Listen from the 4:30 mark to the 8:00 minute mark for the truth about Thomas Jefferson and slavery:

Slavery and Our Founders Part I: Thomas Jefferson

I have a lot of respect for Thomas Jefferson the writer and thinker- but like many people- he was conflicted- he was personally opposed to slavery- yet at the same time bought and sold slaves- and allowed his slaves to be beaten.

That's simply not true. His slaves were explicitly forbidden from being beaten and the people charged with overseeing his estate while he served overseas, in Washington, etc. are on record stating as much.

But thank you for recognizing that Thomas Jefferson vehemently opposed slavery - something so many progressives deny.

Well as a progressive- its not hard to find progressives who admire Thomas Jefferson for everything but his slavery. I think most everyone can agree now that slavery was reprehensible- and for a slave owner- Jefferson was rather unique in believing that slavery should be ended- but he also considered slavery his greatest source of wealth.

Many slaveowners, including Jefferson, understood that female slaves—and their future children—represented the best means to increase the value of his holdings, what he called “capital.” "I consider a woman who brings a child every two years as more profitable than the best man of the farm," Jefferson remarked in 1820. "What she produces is an addition to the capital, while his labors disappear in mere consumption." An enslaved couple, Minerva and Bagwell Granger, came close to fulfilling Jefferson's disturbing calculation; they had nine children between 1787 and 1810.


Beating's did happen.
Often absent from Monticello, Jefferson did not always succeed in lessening the violence of slavery. Several slaves were whipped at the hands of Monticello overseers. For example, William Page, an overseer at Lego farm for four years, had a reputation as a “terror” among slaves and was characterized as “peevish & too ready to strike.” William McGehee, an overseer at Tufton farm for two years, was “tyrannical” and carried a gun “for fear of an attack from the negroes.” And Gabriel Lilly, a nailery manager and overseer at Monticello for five years, whipped James Hemings three times in a single day, even when he was too ill “to raise his head.”

Runaway's were sold- along with others
Despite his expressed "scruples" against selling slaves except "for delinquency, or on their own request," he sold more than 110 in his lifetime, mainly for financial reasons. Seventy-one were sold from his Goochland and Bedford county plantations in three sales in the 1780s and 1790s. Chronic runaways and resisters like Sandy, James Hubbard, and Billy were almost invariably sold.

Did Jefferson free his slaves?
During his lifetime, Jefferson freed two enslaved men. At his death, Jefferson bequeathed freedom to five men in his will. At least three other slaves were unofficially freed when Beverly Hemings, Harriet Hemings, and James Hemings, son of (Critta Hemings Bowles) were allowed to leave Monticello without pursuit. (Sell also Slaves Who Gained Freedom.)

A single paragraph cannot do justice to the issue of Jefferson's failure to free more than a handful of his slaves. Some of the possible reasons include: the economic value of his human property (at certain times, his slaves were mortgaged and thus could not be freed or sold); his lifelong view that emancipation had to go hand-in-hand with expatriation of the freed slaves; his paternalistic belief that slaves were incapable of supporting themselves in freedom and his fear they would become burden to society; his belief in gradual measures operating through the legal processes of government; and, after 1806, a state law that required freed slaves to leave Virginia within a year. Jefferson wrote that this law did not "permit" Virginians to free their slaves; he apparently thought that, for an enslaved African American, slavery was preferable to freedom far from one's home and family.

 

[P@triot]

do you have any sources for any of this or are you just making it up as you go along?

The audacity to say that after you completely made up that the U.S. Constitution established that only "white men could vote" (when it did no such thing).

I'm waiting for you to either admit you lied or made that up before we continue. Which was it PurpleOwl?

was Thomas Jefferson a slave owning racist who raped little black girls? Yes or no?

No. Not at all. So sad that you have to resort to this progressive nonsense because you're shaken to the core by the realization that your progressive ideology was built on lies.

Thomas Jefferson never raped anyone. And while it's true that he did in fact own slaves, that was completely beyond his control. He inherited from his father (as was British law at that time) and was not permitted to release them (as was British, and later - American, law at that time).

All you have to do is click the link and listen to the audio to learn.

 

[PurpleOwl]

do you have any sources for any of this or are you just making it up as you go along?

The audacity to say that after you completely made up that the U.S. Constitution established that only "white men could vote" (when it did no such thing).

I'm waiting for you to either admit you lied or made that up before we continue. Which was it PurpleOwl?

was Thomas Jefferson a slave owning racist who raped little black girls? Yes or no?

No. Not at all. So sad that you have to resort to this progressive nonsense because you're shaken to the core by the realization that your progressive ideology was built on lies.

Thomas Jefferson never raped anyone. And while it's true that he did in fact own slaves, that was completely beyond his control. He inherited from his father (as was British law at that time) and was not permitted to release them (as was British, and later - American, law at that time).

All you have to do is click the link and listen to the audio to learn.

Thomas jefferson raped lots of people

 

[Syriusly]

even if Jefferson wasn't a racist slave owning child rapist what does it matter?

Boy...if this doesn't illustrate the mind-set of the modern day progressive. What does it matter? Well, I know this is hard for progressives to wrap their mind around, but the truth matters. The truth always matters.

For starters, how would you like people declaring you a "child rapist" if you did no such thing?

Second - Thomas Jefferson is no average, unknown individual. He's a legend. He helped found this nation. He penned the Declaration of Independence. His ideas, views, writings, etc. where used to design our entire structure of government. To attack him for things he didn't do has a more definitive impact on society than it does if you were to be falsely accused.

How sad that you would say "what does it matter" to a person being falsely accused of horrific acts. Speaks volumes about your character and integrity.

Legally Jefferson was almost certainly a rapist. Because legally now- a slave cannot consent to sex. Of course during Jefferson's lifetime it wasn't considered rape to have sex with a slave- it was just illegal for him to have sex with a black woman.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The only slaves freed in TJ's will were his five children, who settled north of the Ohio.

He did not free Sally H, because she was his dead wife's property, which passed to TJ and MJ's surviving daughter, who hated her half aunt. Sally was allowed to "escape" north of the river with plenty of help and money.

 

[Syriusly]

do you have any sources for any of this or are you just making it up as you go along?

The audacity to say that after you completely made up that the U.S. Constitution established that only "white men could vote" (when it did no such thing).

I'm waiting for you to either admit you lied or made that up before we continue. Which was it PurpleOwl?

was Thomas Jefferson a slave owning racist who raped little black girls? Yes or no?

No. Not at all. So sad that you have to resort to this progressive nonsense because you're shaken to the core by the realization that your progressive ideology was built on lies.

Thomas Jefferson never raped anyone. And while it's true that he did in fact own slaves, that was completely beyond his control. He inherited from his father (as was British law at that time) and was not permitted to release them (as was British, and later - American, law at that time).
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Bullshit.

It wasn't beyond his control- he freed two men during his life- and freed 5 more men when he died.
Property | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello
During his lifetime, Jefferson freed two enslaved men. At his death, Jefferson bequeathed freedom to five men in his will.

He also bought slaves.

Please don't start a thread about 'truth' when it is so easy to prove your claims are false.

 

[Syriusly]

do you have any sources for any of this or are you just making it up as you go along?

The audacity to say that after you completely made up that the U.S. Constitution established that only "white men could vote" (when it did no such thing).

I'm waiting for you to either admit you lied or made that up before we continue. Which was it PurpleOwl?

was Thomas Jefferson a slave owning racist who raped little black girls? Yes or no?

No. Not at all. So sad that you have to resort to this progressive nonsense because you're shaken to the core by the realization that your progressive ideology was built on lies.

Thomas Jefferson never raped anyone. And while it's true that he did in fact own slaves, that was completely beyond his control. He inherited from his father (as was British law at that time) and was not permitted to release them (as was British, and later - American, law at that time).

All you have to do is click the link and listen to the audio to learn.

Thomas jefferson raped lots of people

There is absolutely no evidence that Jefferson violently raped anyone.

Technically he did rape Sally Hemmings since she was a slave- and could not give consent.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Patriot must be reading Storm Front material, because he clearly has no clue about that era.

 

[P@triot]

A single paragraph cannot do justice to the issue of Jefferson's failure to free more than a handful of his slaves. Some of the possible reasons include: the economic value of his human property (at certain times, his slaves were mortgaged and thus could not be freed or sold); his lifelong view that emancipation had to go hand-in-hand with expatriation of the freed slaves; his paternalistic belief that slaves were incapable of supporting themselves in freedom and his fear they would become burden to society; his belief in gradual measures operating through the legal processes of government; and, after 1806, a state law that required freed slaves to leave Virginia within a year. Jefferson wrote that this law did not "permit" Virginians to free their slaves; he apparently thought that, for an enslaved African American, slavery was preferable to freedom far from one's home and family.

Actually - a single sentence can do justice to the issue of Jefferson's failure to free his slaves: it was against the law.

In the fight to end slavery, the first victory was a law permitting slaves to be released only upon the death of the slave owner. George Washington capitalized on that law by freeing his slaves at the time of his death (sort of...he actually said they were to be freed after the death of his wife Martha so that she would have the resources she needed to survive). However, by the time Thomas Jefferson was on his death bed, that law has been revoked and a new law had been enacted. Because the freed slaves had no money, no property, no education, etc. - they had no where to go once they were freed and were considered a "burden" to society. As such, the new law stated that slaves could be freed only if the slave owner could provide "X" amount of money to each one freed (I don't recall the exact amount). Thomas Jefferson was over $50,000 in debt at the time of his passing (the equivalent of $2.5 million by today's dollar).