The truth about Nelson Mandela

You mean acts of public violence and mobilizing public area bombings? The way history remembers it, Mandela was a fierce militant that would in today's world would be considered deporable. The ONLY difference, is that Statists of both color variety, think they get to arbitrate when the use of violence is justified and when it is not. It's perhaps the ugliest amount of arrogance they consistently display.
 
You mean acts of public violence and mobilizing public area bombings? The way history remembers it, Mandela was a fierce militant that would in today's world would be considered deporable. The ONLY difference, is that Statists of both color variety, think they get to arbitrate when the use of violence is justified and when it is not. It's perhaps the ugliest amount of arrogance they consistently display.

Sounds like war. Same thing.
 
No, it sounds like terrorism. Because it is terrorism. The same way that we consider acts against the US government to be terrorism today. it's that whole double standard and arbitration related arrogance thing described above.
 
Patrick Henry said, “Give me liberty or give me death.”

Thomas Jefferson wrote and the Continental Congress adopted that “all men are created equal, and they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

Doesn’t this apply to Nelson Mandela and his people?

Some conservatives say, ah, but he was a communist.

Actually Mandela was raised in a Methodist school, was a devout Christian, turned to communism in desperation only after South Africa was taken over by an extraordinarily racist government determined to eliminate all rights for blacks.

I would ask of his critics: where were some of these conservatives as allies against tyranny? Where were the masses of conservatives opposing Apartheid? In a desperate struggle against an overpowering government, you accept the allies you have just as Washington was grateful for a French monarchy helping him defeat the British.

Finally, if you had been imprisoned for 27 years, 18 of them in a cell eight foot by seven foot, how do you think you would have emerged? Would you have been angry? Would you have been bitter?

Nelson Mandela emerged from 27 years in prison as an astonishingly wise, patient, and compassionate person.

He called for reconciliation among the races. He invited his prison guard to sit in the front row at his inauguration as President. In effect he said to the entire country, “If I can forgive the man who imprisoned me, surely you can forgive your neighbors.”

Far from behaving like a communist, President Mandela reassured businesses that they could invest in South Africa and grow in South Africa. He had learned that jobs come from job creators.

I was very privileged to be able to meet with President Mandela and present the Congressional Medal of Freedom.

As much as any person in our lifetime he had earned our respect and our recognition.
Before you criticize him, ask yourself, what would you have done in his circumstances?
What Would You Have Done? Nelson Mandela and American Conservatives | Gingrich Productions
I doubt anyone here will answer this question.

Before you criticize him, ask yourself, what would you have done in his circumstances?
 
You should ask yourself if you were in the position of so many Muslims throughout the ME who have endured occupation, political coercion and democratic perversion from western interests; what would you have done?

The double standards used by Statists is absolutely hilarious. They actually believe they have the power of arbitration over morality and ethics. :lmao:
 
See what? Tha Mandela was a radical militant that used violence as a means of political persuasion? Yeah. I see it in many other instances where it is denounced as deplorable too. Again I also see the double standard.
 
Something you guys don't get.

You guys see the "eek, a communist".

What people in South Africa or Cuba or Vietnam see are liberators.

Than let his own people idolize him, but not the rest of the world.

The people around the world justly admire what Nelson Mandela accomplished. The conversion of South Africa from a totalitarian racist goverment to a democracy by peaceful means was something that any sane man would have said was impossible, considering the injustices that had been committed. Yet Mandela stepped out from 27 years of imprisonment, and managed to talk both sides out of a bloody racial civil war, and into creating a much more just and democratic government.

And people like you simply sit at home, doing nothing but spewing hatred for the good people of this world. Do you see why you will never be held in anything but contempt, and Nelson Mandela will be admired for centuries?

Peaceful means?

Tell me, why was Mandela in prison for 27 years?
 
Well, he was that. He led the way through terror bombing campaigns and other public violence. As the leader of sucha group. We have other groups that have done similar thigs in recent times that have been attributed much differently than Mendela in the halls of history. It's a double standard because some make the moral arbitration that it was justified being up against what he was up against.
 
You mean acts of public violence and mobilizing public area bombings? The way history remembers it, Mandela was a fierce militant that would in today's world would be considered deporable. The ONLY difference, is that Statists of both color variety, think they get to arbitrate when the use of violence is justified and when it is not. It's perhaps the ugliest amount of arrogance they consistently display.

I see. So you believe that the founding fathers of this nation were terrorists.

What is truly ugly is the mentality of people like you.
 
You mean acts of public violence and mobilizing public area bombings? The way history remembers it, Mandela was a fierce militant that would in today's world would be considered deporable. The ONLY difference, is that Statists of both color variety, think they get to arbitrate when the use of violence is justified and when it is not. It's perhaps the ugliest amount of arrogance they consistently display.

I see. So you believe that the founding fathers of this nation were terrorists.

What is truly ugly is the mentality of people like you.

Yes, they were. I never, however, put any moral judgement on them or Mandela. I'm pouinting out the hypocrisy of Statists who believe they have the moral authority to make the judgment in who is justified in violence and who is not.

Your inability to comperhend that isn't shocking or alarming,
 
As expected, President Carter will be going to SA to honor Mandela, so that makes four of the five living presidents paying tribute to the man.

[GHW Bush will not be, due to ill health, though if he could, I'm sure he would be there.

Other notables going: Prime Minister David Cameron, Prince Charles, Desmond Tutu, and a ton of other foreign dignitaries.

There will be 10 days of national mourning, with the first major event being the Memorial service, December 10.

That will be at the Johannesburg soccer stadium which holds close to 100,000 people.


Some are saying Mandela will get the greatest burial in history!

It really sounds like it will be huge.

It is likely that there will be more occasions like this in the next decade(s).
 
Well, he was that. He led the way through terror bombing campaigns and other public violence. As the leader of sucha group. We have other groups that have done similar thigs in recent times that have been attributed much differently than Mendela in the halls of history. It's a double standard because some make the moral arbitration that it was justified being up against what he was up against.

Discrimination of any kind is wrong. I suppose that is what he fought against.

Unfortunately our Democrats use politics to discriminate against their opposition. They could learn something from Mandela's example. Sadly they won't.
 
You mean acts of public violence and mobilizing public area bombings? The way history remembers it, Mandela was a fierce militant that would in today's world would be considered deporable. The ONLY difference, is that Statists of both color variety, think they get to arbitrate when the use of violence is justified and when it is not. It's perhaps the ugliest amount of arrogance they consistently display.

I see. So you believe that the founding fathers of this nation were terrorists.

What is truly ugly is the mentality of people like you.

Yes, they were. I never, however, put any moral judgement on them or Mandela. I'm pouinting out the hypocrisy of Statists who believe they have the moral authority to make the judgment in who is justified in violence and who is not.

Your inability to comperhend that isn't shocking or alarming,

Doesn't there have to be an ethical standard? If all opposition is equal and equally valid, we have the moral equivalence that leads to anarchy, chaos, and the idea that because the Hitlers, Maos, and Mussolinis were justified in their own minds, they were justified in their actions.

Not for nothing, but in his time in prison at hard labor, Mandela came to follow Gandhi, and advocated the bulk of his life to non-violent means of protest, advocacy, and rebellion against horrifically unjust repression. I'm not sure I would agree with all that. I could get to a point under the conditions many live their lives today that, were I faced with the same set of facts, any means necessary to remove the boot from my loved one's necks would be something I could live with.

That said, I still think that those who jumped at this time to vilify this man are ghouls. The man isn't even cold in his grave, and here you all are talking mad trash for cheap and sleazy political framing. :slap:
 
Well, he was that. He led the way through terror bombing campaigns and other public violence. As the leader of sucha group. We have other groups that have done similar thigs in recent times that have been attributed much differently than Mendela in the halls of history. It's a double standard because some make the moral arbitration that it was justified being up against what he was up against.

Discrimination of any kind is wrong. I suppose that is what he fought against.

Unfortunately our Democrats use politics to discriminate against their opposition. They could learn something from Mandela's example. Sadly they won't.

The above post is idiotic.

As if republicans don't use politics to discriminate against their opposition.
 
I have no animosity toward the memory of Nelson Mandela. He spent 27 years in prison where he was tortured and I have to admit that I am pretty sure that I would not have been able to endure myself. He brought change to South Africa at a time when the white minority were opposed to the 'one man, one vote' rule of democracy. For that he should be praised. But Mandela was also a politician. That means that he turned his head and looked the other way regarding some very nasty stuff.

Mandela supported the African National Congress who performed some pretty horrific terrorist attacks. Additionally, by any stretch of the imagination he spouted some pretty stupid communist/socialist dogma that anyone with half a brain knows is fantasy. But that dogma was being spouted as well by people he NEEDED to be his friends to help him and his cause. He supported and was friends with Moammar Khadafy because Khadafy supported him and the ANC when Mandela needed it. It's pretty clear that he was quite the womanizer as well. His second wife Winnie was a thug and she went on trial several times for her actions during the murder of several opponents.

Is he the resurrection of the Messiah like Barry and his ilke would like us to believe? No. A good man with good intentions, but just a man.
 
Well, he was that. He led the way through terror bombing campaigns and other public violence. As the leader of sucha group. We have other groups that have done similar thigs in recent times that have been attributed much differently than Mendela in the halls of history. It's a double standard because some make the moral arbitration that it was justified being up against what he was up against.

Oh yeah, he supposedly led terror bombing campaigns while he was STUCK IN A SOUTH AFRICAN PRISON FOR 27 YEARS.
 
Well, he was that. He led the way through terror bombing campaigns and other public violence. As the leader of sucha group. We have other groups that have done similar thigs in recent times that have been attributed much differently than Mendela in the halls of history. It's a double standard because some make the moral arbitration that it was justified being up against what he was up against.

Discrimination of any kind is wrong. I suppose that is what he fought against.

Unfortunately our Democrats use politics to discriminate against their opposition. They could learn something from Mandela's example. Sadly they won't.

The above post is idiotic.

As if republicans don't use politics to discriminate against their opposition.

What is really humorous is that ol' Mud is a government employee, yet subscribes to 'Conservative' views that state that he is a parasite. You ought to have heard him whine about missing time because of the government shutdown:lol:
 

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