The Trump Warrant Had No Legal Basis

[Marener]

The Fourth Amendment made that FBI Raid illegal.

The things and place to be seized were specified in the warrant.

 

[surada]

The warrant was a "general warrant" this violates the fourth amendment. It was unlawful from the word Go as it violated Trumps individual rights. SCOTUS case law has firmly repudiated this type of warrant as unconstitutional.

Nope. Remember Trump claimed that the FBI planted the documents and that he has security cameras in Melania's bedroom and dressing room.

 

[Rambunctious]

Before or after the 300 classified documents were recovered at his house, some in his closet, while Trump reviewed them all? You know, the one's that were illegally stashed in his house that he and his lawyers lied about on paper?

Is that the warrant you are telling us the government had no legal basis for? Explain how that is?

You can't prove any of that nonsense.... you are just regurgitating misinformation from CNN.... you can't even prove the number 300... these boxes could contain pictures... gifts to Trump and other mementos that every president retains... we don't know shit about this except that the DOJ has gone silent after taking the boxes which tells me they haven't found the things they were told were there....
This will once again... blow up in your face...

 

[Rambunctious]

The things and place to be seized were specified in the warrant.

No they weren't that's why they are demanding the affidavit be released... you clowns need to turn off fake news until this fiasco is over....
The DOJ has entered the CYA zone over this....

 

[Marener]

No they weren't that's why they are demanding the affidavit be released... you clowns need to turn off fake news until this fiasco is over....
The DOJ has entered the CYA zone over this....

The warrant has already been released which has the specific place and items.

Affidavits aren’t ever released before indictments.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Former Republican presidents can't catch a break...in fact, since this country is so historically racist against whites -- former Republican presidents are probably the most oppressed and persecuted people in US history...

Trump will finally stop all of that when he is back in office...and finally, the persecution of white republican ex presidents will be be no more.....

I am cool with that.

As long as we rightfully persecute black people.

 

[Rambunctious]

The warrant has already been released which has the specific place and items.

Affidavits aren’t ever released before indictments.

Didn't you see the warrant?.... it was broad... it said they could take anything dated from 2017 until today... they grabbed everything that wasn't nailed down... even his passports which CNN said was a Trump lie... ooops fake news punking you again....
The warrant was totally unspecific... and this is why the people want the affidavit... the longer it takes for questions to be answered the worse it gets for the dems..... and the FBI and the DOJ....

 

[Slade3200]

The Trump Warrant Had No Legal Basis​

A former president’s rights under the Presidential Records Act trump the statutes the FBI cited to justify the Mar-a-Lago raid.​

Opinion | The Trump Warrant Had No Legal Basis

A former president’s rights under the Presidential Records Act trump the statutes the FBI cited to justify the Mar-a-Lago raid.

www.wsj.com

22 Aug 2022 ~~ By David B. Rivkin Jr. & Lee A. Casey

(Excerpt) ->
Was the Federal Bureau of Investigation justified in searching Donald Trump’s residence at Mar-a-Lago? The judge who issued the warrant for Mar-a-Lago has signaled that he is likely to release a redacted version of the affidavit supporting it. But the warrant itself suggests the answer is likely no—the FBI had no legally valid cause for the raid.
The warrant authorized the FBI to seize “all physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§793, 2071, or 1519” (emphasis added). These three criminal statutes all address the possession and handling of materials that contain national-security information, public records or material relevant to an investigation or other matters properly before a federal agency or the courts.
The materials to be seized included “any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20, 2017, and January 20, 2021”—i.e., during Mr. Trump’s term of office. Virtually all the materials at Mar-a-Lago are likely to fall within this category. Federal law gives Mr. Trump a right of access to them. His possession of them is entirely consistent with that right, and therefore lawful, regardless of the statutes the FBI cites in its warrant.
The materials to be seized included “any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20, 2017, and January 20, 2021”—i.e., during Mr. Trump’s term of office. Virtually all the materials at Mar-a-Lago are likely to fall within this category. Federal law gives Mr. Trump a right of access to them. His possession of them is entirely consistent with that right, and therefore lawful, regardless of the statutes the FBI cites in its warrant.
Those statutes are general in their text and application. But Mr. Trump’s documents are covered by a specific statute, the Presidential Records Act of 1978. It has long been the Supreme Court position, as stated in Morton v. Mancari (1974), that “where there is no clear intention otherwise, a specific statute will not be controlled or nullified by a general one, regardless of the priority of enactment.” The former president’s rights under the PRA trump any application of the laws the FBI warrant cites.

Commentary:
The overreach of both Garland and Wray is astounding.
If this were done by the DOJ during the Trump administration to Obama, or VP Joe Biden this would have been reversed long ago. Instead, this is going to be milked through the midterms.
It has in effect hurt the DOJ, Merrick Garland, the FBI, Christpher Wray, Democrats overall, and especially Joe Biden.
Well, we do know that unlike Bill Clinton the Nuke Codes were not lost, nor did DJT abscond with $28,000 worth of White House furniture neither did he leave with over 3 million documents as Obama did
Obviously, the Maoist Democrats in power have gone from being merely lawless to conceiving that their interests are the very bounds in which all law must operate.
It's become that using the word ‘legal’ with anything involving Democrats produces nothing.
For them, there are no rules, regulations, laws or statutes. All of those terms are for ‘others.’

Notice how the author uses words like “suggests” and “likely”… those are called qualifiers and they are used because none of us including the author knows th actual details behind this. Given that we know nothing I find it highly entertaining that people write these opinion pieces based on assumptions and then people like you regurgitated as a fire gone conclusion that laws were broken and it’s a clear case of gov overreach. Haha too funny

 

[beautress]

One, it’s stupid to claim “virtually all the materials” fall in that category. It’s not like every document Trump possesses is a government record.

Second, Trump doesn’t have a right to anything. If the law allows him to access something, that doesn’t mean it gives him permission to be it’s sole possessor.

Trump has the same rights to enjoy privacy the 4th Amendment guarantees. He is a bona fide citizen of the United States of America.

And the FBI admits it violated the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution every last one of them agreed to in signing their Oaths of Office that being an FBI agent requires. Some of the agents even turned anal when they did the panty raid in the First Lady's bedroom. Fer the love of the law, why are you persecuting a former President who was faithful always, even when he was hot under the collar when the apeshit Nancy Pelosi declared war first on the Executive Branch's power and then against the Constitutional Supreme Court Justices when their private details were passed out to the street criminals in their party most likely to worry the justices, their wives, children, friends, and adoptees by making public their addresses in revenge for them doing their job as their consciences and legal understanding required. That's one of the lowest blows Nancy Pelosi threw this year if you don't count Thirteen Trillion Dollars of her Pet Rock Project spending she couldn't have gotten passed any other way than lying her ass off good.

FBI Says It Violated Fourth Amendment - The New American

The FBI used the terrorism as an excuse to subpoena some 2,000 telephone records from phone carriers without a warrant or even a National Security Letter, according to the Washington Post report on illegal and unconstitutional FBI surveillance. by Thomas R. Eddlem

thenewamerican.com

 

[Marener]

Didn't you see the warrant?.... it was broad... it said they could take anything dated from 2017 until today... they grabbed everything that wasn't nailed down... even his passports which CNN said was a Trump lie... ooops fake news punking you again....
The warrant was totally unspecific... and this is why the people want the affidavit... the longer it takes for questions to be answered the worse it gets for the dems..... and the FBI and the DOJ....

That’s false. Go back and read the warrant.

 

[Marener]

Trump has the same rights to enjoy privacy the 4th Amendment guarantees. He is a bona fide citizen of the United States of America.

There’s no reason to believe his rights under the 4th amendment were violated.

 

[Mac1958]

The things and place to be seized were specified in the warrant.

Evidently signed warrants are no longer allowed in the alternate universe.

 

[Rambunctious]

That’s false. Go back and read the warrant.

I just did dummy...here stupid you read it and tell me this wasn't fishing for a crime... they weren't going after anything specific... and that's wrong.....
When we do this to the Biden family you will be fine with it right?.....

All physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793, 2071, or 1519, including the following a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the aforementioned documents and containers/boxes
oned documents and containers/boxes; b.. Information, including communications in any form, regarding the retrieval, storage, or transmission ofnational defense information or classified material; c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20.2017, and January 20, 2021; or d. Any evidence ofthe knowing alteration, destruction, or concealment of any government and/or Presidential Records, or of any documents with classification markings

 

[Marener]

Evidently signed warrants are no longer allowed in the alternate universe.

Nothing has any meaning with these people.

 

[Marener]

I just did dummy...here stupid you read it and tell me this wasn't fishing for a crime... they weren't going after anything specific... and that's wrong.....
When we do this to the Biden family you will be fine with it right?.....

All physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793, 2071, or 1519, including the following a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the aforementioned documents and containers/boxes
oned documents and containers/boxes; b.. Information, including communications in any form, regarding the retrieval, storage, or transmission ofnational defense information or classified material; c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20.2017, and January 20, 2021; or d. Any evidence ofthe knowing alteration, destruction, or concealment of any government and/or Presidential Records, or of any documents with classification markings

Thank you for quoting the warrant which completely disproves your prior statement.

The search was limited to government documents.

 

[Rambunctious]

Thank you for quoting the warrant which completely disproves your prior statement.

The search was limited to government documents.

No it doesn't... "take anything that could constitute a crime from 2017 till today"?... if a judge sign a warrant like that for a drug dealer it would be tossed out of court....

 

[Marener]

No it doesn't... "take anything that could constitute a crime from 2017 till today"?... if a judge sign a warrant like that for a drug dealer it would be tossed out of court....

Only a crime with respect to those three statues it explicitly named.

As someone else pointed out, the warrant for Breonna Taylor’s apartment specific they could take anything which is evidence of breaking any crime.

https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Breonna-Taylor-search-warrants.pdf

But apparently that was cool with everyone.

 

[Rambunctious]

Only a crime with respect to those three statues it explicitly named.

As someone else pointed out, the warrant for Breonna Taylor’s apartment specific they could take anything which is evidence of breaking any crime.

https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Breonna-Taylor-search-warrants.pdf

But apparently that was cool with everyone.

The few things they drew out for the taking were just a small amount of what was removed.... this was a fishing exercise and to do that to a former president bypassing a subpoena is flat out 3rd world dictatorship behavior....
And America knows it.... the dems will pay for this dearly.....

 

[Marener]

The few things they drew out for the taking were just a small amount of what was removed.... this was a fishing exercise and to do that to a former president bypassing a subpoena is flat out 3rd world dictatorship behavior....
And America knows it.... the dems will pay for this dearly.....

What are you talking about? Drew out? The search warrant allows them to search the entire stated property and remove the items specified on the warrant.

Oh, and they didn’t bypass a subpoena (not that they were ever required to anyway). There was a grand jury subpoena. Trump’s lawyers claimed to have complied. They had reason to believe he didn’t.

All you have are lies.

 

[Rambunctious]

What are you talking about? Drew out? The search warrant allows them to search the entire stated property and remove the items specified on the warrant.

Oh, and they didn’t bypass a subpoena (not that they were ever required to anyway). There was a grand jury subpoena. Trump’s lawyers claimed to have complied. They had reason to believe he didn’t.

All you have are lies.

The DOJ nor the FBI nor you will ever be able to square this unprecedented action on a former president to the people no matter how hard you try.... they blew it big time.....