The trump government has consistently claimed it has no control over the immigrants it sent to El Salvador

[berg80]

Document Casts Doubt on White House’s Claims About Deported Venezuelans​

For the past several months, the Trump administration has insisted in court that it has no control over the nearly 140 Venezuelan immigrants it deported to a prison in El Salvador this spring under the powers of a rarely used wartime statute.

Both in filings and at hearings, Trump officials have asserted that because the men are being held by jailers in El Salvador, the Salvadoran government has control over their fate. The administration has repeatedly made that claim to argue that it has no real authority to bring the immigrants back itself.

On Monday, however, lawyers for the Venezuelan men produced a document indicating that the government of El Salvador recently told the United Nations that it, in fact, bears no legal responsibility for the men. The document, written in response to a U.N. inquiry examining some of the deportations, also claimed that the Salvadoran government was merely doing the United States’ bidding when it accepted the men into its prison system.

“The actions of the state of El Salvador have been limited to the implementation of a bilateral cooperation mechanism with another state, through which it has facilitated the use of the Salvadoran prison infrastructure for the custody of persons detained within the scope of the justice system and law enforcement of that other state,” the document said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/07/us/politics/trump-venezuelans-un-el-salvador-cecot.html

A claim made in response to questions raised about the timing of their deportation relative to a court order blocking it, the dubious authority under which the deportations were carried out, the due process the deportees were given, and the veracity of the allegations made against the deportees by DHS/DoJ.

I imagine Judge Boasberg is going to want to know from the DoJ attorneys when they became aware of the document and why they didn't tell the court about it. You know.......seeing as it undermines the government's position of having no control over the deportees now that they are in El Salvador.

 

[kyzr]

yawn

 

[Independent thinker]

Document Casts Doubt on White House’s Claims About Deported Venezuelans​

For the past several months, the Trump administration has insisted in court that it has no control over the nearly 140 Venezuelan immigrants it deported to a prison in El Salvador this spring under the powers of a rarely used wartime statute.

Both in filings and at hearings, Trump officials have asserted that because the men are being held by jailers in El Salvador, the Salvadoran government has control over their fate. The administration has repeatedly made that claim to argue that it has no real authority to bring the immigrants back itself.

On Monday, however, lawyers for the Venezuelan men produced a document indicating that the government of El Salvador recently told the United Nations that it, in fact, bears no legal responsibility for the men. The document, written in response to a U.N. inquiry examining some of the deportations, also claimed that the Salvadoran government was merely doing the United States’ bidding when it accepted the men into its prison system.

“The actions of the state of El Salvador have been limited to the implementation of a bilateral cooperation mechanism with another state, through which it has facilitated the use of the Salvadoran prison infrastructure for the custody of persons detained within the scope of the justice system and law enforcement of that other state,” the document said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/07/us/politics/trump-venezuelans-un-el-salvador-cecot.html

A claim made in response to questions raised about the timing of their deportation relative to a court order blocking it, the dubious authority under which the deportations were carried out, the due process the deportees were given, and the veracity of the allegations made against the deportees by DHS/DoJ.

I imagine Judge Boasberg is going to want to know from the DoJ attorneys when they became aware of the document and why they didn't tell the court about it. You know.......seeing as it undermines the government's position of having no control over the deportees now that they are in El Salvador.

We should bring them back immediately and send them to Alligator Alcatraz.

 

[JGalt]

Document Casts Doubt on White House’s Claims About Deported Venezuelans​

For the past several months, the Trump administration has insisted in court that it has no control over the nearly 140 Venezuelan immigrants it deported to a prison in El Salvador this spring under the powers of a rarely used wartime statute.

Both in filings and at hearings, Trump officials have asserted that because the men are being held by jailers in El Salvador, the Salvadoran government has control over their fate. The administration has repeatedly made that claim to argue that it has no real authority to bring the immigrants back itself.

On Monday, however, lawyers for the Venezuelan men produced a document indicating that the government of El Salvador recently told the United Nations that it, in fact, bears no legal responsibility for the men. The document, written in response to a U.N. inquiry examining some of the deportations, also claimed that the Salvadoran government was merely doing the United States’ bidding when it accepted the men into its prison system.

“The actions of the state of El Salvador have been limited to the implementation of a bilateral cooperation mechanism with another state, through which it has facilitated the use of the Salvadoran prison infrastructure for the custody of persons detained within the scope of the justice system and law enforcement of that other state,” the document said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/07/us/politics/trump-venezuelans-un-el-salvador-cecot.html

A claim made in response to questions raised about the timing of their deportation relative to a court order blocking it, the dubious authority under which the deportations were carried out, the due process the deportees were given, and the veracity of the allegations made against the deportees by DHS/DoJ.

I imagine Judge Boasberg is going to want to know from the DoJ attorneys when they became aware of the document and why they didn't tell the court about it. You know.......seeing as it undermines the government's position of having no control over the deportees now that they are in El Salvador.

 

[berg80]

yawn

Don't you mind, even a little bit, that your government..........the one you voted for.........has been lying to you, the rest of the public, and perhaps most importantly the courts, about its degree of control over the immigrants sent to the CECOT prison?

Has the regime been so successful in dehumanizing those people in your eyes that their suffering is of no consequence to you?

 

[SeaMajor7]

"Immigrants".

 

[struth]

Document Casts Doubt on White House’s Claims About Deported Venezuelans​

For the past several months, the Trump administration has insisted in court that it has no control over the nearly 140 Venezuelan immigrants it deported to a prison in El Salvador this spring under the powers of a rarely used wartime statute.

Both in filings and at hearings, Trump officials have asserted that because the men are being held by jailers in El Salvador, the Salvadoran government has control over their fate. The administration has repeatedly made that claim to argue that it has no real authority to bring the immigrants back itself.

On Monday, however, lawyers for the Venezuelan men produced a document indicating that the government of El Salvador recently told the United Nations that it, in fact, bears no legal responsibility for the men. The document, written in response to a U.N. inquiry examining some of the deportations, also claimed that the Salvadoran government was merely doing the United States’ bidding when it accepted the men into its prison system.

“The actions of the state of El Salvador have been limited to the implementation of a bilateral cooperation mechanism with another state, through which it has facilitated the use of the Salvadoran prison infrastructure for the custody of persons detained within the scope of the justice system and law enforcement of that other state,” the document said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/07/us/politics/trump-venezuelans-un-el-salvador-cecot.html

A claim made in response to questions raised about the timing of their deportation relative to a court order blocking it, the dubious authority under which the deportations were carried out, the due process the deportees were given, and the veracity of the allegations made against the deportees by DHS/DoJ.

I imagine Judge Boasberg is going to want to know from the DoJ attorneys when they became aware of the document and why they didn't tell the court about it. You know.......seeing as it undermines the government's position of having no control over the deportees now that they are in El Salvador.

Why do you think the United States has any control over what El Salvador does, or what it files with the UN, or what happens to a Venezulean national?

 

[berg80]

We should bring them back immediately and send them to Alligator Alcatraz.

What is it about them that makes it okay with you to have them treated inhumanely?

 

[TemplarKormac]

So, this is how I start my morning. With a NYT spin-job. Wonderful.

Even with all of that being true, the issue is moot after the SCOTUS ruling on lower courts. Judge Boasberg can uh... what's the slang these days? Uh... GET REKT.

Have fun with that.

 

[Marener]

So, this is how I start my morning. With a NYT spin-job. Wonderful.

Even with all of that being true, the issue is moot after the SCOTUS ruling on lower courts. Judge Boasberg can uh... what's the slang these days? Uh... GET REKT.

Have fun with that.

You have an administration that is blatantly lying before the courts and you’re not only okay with it, but you’re celebrating it?

Disgusting.

 

[berg80]

So, this is how I start my morning. With a NYT spin-job. Wonderful.

Even with all of that being true, the issue is moot after the SCOTUS ruling on lower courts. Judge Boasberg can uh... what's the slang these days? Uh... GET REKT.

Have fun with that.

Don't we need to seperate the matter of the court's authority and the matter of the regime lying to the court and everyone else?

The document could present a problem for the administration because it seems to undermine a position that lawyers for the Justice Department and top Trump officials have taken time and again in front of Judge Boasberg. The lawyers for the Venezuelans also claimed that department lawyers knew about the document for months but failed to inform either them or the judge.

“We are pleased that El Salvador publicly told the truth about what we all knew: that it’s the United States that controls the fate of the Venezuelans,” said Lee Gelernt, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union, which, along with another legal group, Democracy Forward, has been representing the men. “That the United States did not provide us or the court with this information is extraordinary.”

 

[TemplarKormac]

You have an administration that is blatantly lying before the courts and you’re not only okay with it, but you’re celebrating it?

Disgusting.

You assume too much, my overly emo friend.

 

[Marener]

You assume too much, my overly emo friend.

I just read your post. You express joy at the idea that Trump can get away with this.

Because let’s be honest, you’ve made him totally unaccountable.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Don't we need to seperate the matter of the court's authority and the matter of the regime lying to the court and everyone else?

I said the statements were true, but the matter is moot. When SCOTUS reined in the lower courts last week, anything Boasberg could have done prior to that has long since been forbidden by the ruling.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I just read your post. You express joy at the idea that Trump can get away with this.

Because let’s be honest, you’ve made him totally unaccountable.

Do I express joy?

Gads, it's too damned early in the morning for this crap.

You're gonna put all the local hookers out of business at the rate you're trying to put things in my mouth.

 

[Meathead]

Document Casts Doubt on White House’s Claims About Deported Venezuelans​

For the past several months, the Trump administration has insisted in court that it has no control over the nearly 140 Venezuelan immigrants it deported to a prison in El Salvador this spring under the powers of a rarely used wartime statute.

Both in filings and at hearings, Trump officials have asserted that because the men are being held by jailers in El Salvador, the Salvadoran government has control over their fate. The administration has repeatedly made that claim to argue that it has no real authority to bring the immigrants back itself.

On Monday, however, lawyers for the Venezuelan men produced a document indicating that the government of El Salvador recently told the United Nations that it, in fact, bears no legal responsibility for the men. The document, written in response to a U.N. inquiry examining some of the deportations, also claimed that the Salvadoran government was merely doing the United States’ bidding when it accepted the men into its prison system.

“The actions of the state of El Salvador have been limited to the implementation of a bilateral cooperation mechanism with another state, through which it has facilitated the use of the Salvadoran prison infrastructure for the custody of persons detained within the scope of the justice system and law enforcement of that other state,” the document said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/07/us/politics/trump-venezuelans-un-el-salvador-cecot.html

A claim made in response to questions raised about the timing of their deportation relative to a court order blocking it, the dubious authority under which the deportations were carried out, the due process the deportees were given, and the veracity of the allegations made against the deportees by DHS/DoJ.

I imagine Judge Boasberg is going to want to know from the DoJ attorneys when they became aware of the document and why they didn't tell the court about it. You know.......seeing as it undermines the government's position of having no control over the deportees now that they are in El Salvador.

It had enough control to send them there. Works for me.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You express joy at the idea that Trump can get away with this.

What's more entertaining is how you're aimlessly attacking me, which is funny, since I said the statements by the lawyers were true.

But by a function of our legal system, the matter has no significance. Boasberg cannot do anything about it anymore.

 

[Marener]

Do I express joy?

Gads, it's too damned early in the morning for this crap.

You're gonna put all the local hookers out of business at the rate you're trying to put things in my mouth.

“Get rekt” is how you put it.

 

[Marener]

But by a function of our legal system, the matter has no significance. Boasberg cannot do anything about it anymore.

And that’s you celebrating the total lack of accountability.

I suppose Boasberg may have some options to punish lawyers who are blatantly lying before the court. I don’t know for sure. Seems like a thing the courts would want to put a stop to.

 

[TemplarKormac]

“Get rekt” is how you put it.

Well, yes, because by a function of our legal system, your protestations were rendered meaningless.