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Breibart!
I wouldn't expect anything less from you! You just love "Fake News" and your history proves it.
The Trump cabinet called, "The Dream Team."
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Breibart!
I wouldn't expect anything less from you! You just love "Fake News" and your history proves it.
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That is what is frustrating on one hand, and funny on the other over this whole thing Ice. !/2 of the crying does come from liberals who are afraid of what Trump might do because they have been misinformed, but the other 1/2 are a bunch of government workers who are going to actually have to go and find a J-O-B in the wonderful economy they have been lying about for 8 years, lol! What are the leftists WORRIED ABOUT, hehehehehehehe. Look at the UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, Obowelmovement has it down soooooo LOW, so jobs are easy, and plentiful!
Why don't you post the data, and we'll decide....
You could start with the percentage of net private sector payroll gains, since Feb 2001, realized since Feb 2009....
Need help with the math?
Then I go back to this post----------> you have conclusively proven that the left government workers have no argument about being let go, since the economy is WONDERFUL. We should NOT feel sorry for them, since they have created great expansion, their ideas were spot on, and everything is wonderful.
I also have no idea, not one, why any American that is blue collar, works in a coal mine, works for an auto company, steel, aluminum, etc........would think Obama and the Democrats have thrown them under the bus! It is apparent that these peoples real life experiences have nothing to do with reality after seeing you put forth such overwhelming information. They must be blind in one eye, and can not see out of the other.
If I was a liberal Democrat such as yourself, I would keep touting the Obama accomplishments, how wonderful everything was, how the ACA is just the greatest thing on the planet, because I was obviously wrong on what people were feeling, and so were they. Obviously, no amount of TRUTH could convince the coal miners and blue collar workers, that they weren't really out of a job, it was just their imagination. How dare they! How dumb are they! Your statistics prove them wrong, and it appears EVERY state was under the dumb spell but a very few; ones that have little to do with manufacturing plants, but why quibble about it when you have the stats, lol.
I also have to say that a lot of people who voted for Obama crossed over this time and voted for Trump. Amazing how they were brilliant and correct before, but now they are racist, dumb, and deplorable; but I digress!
You got your narrative, and you have your guy. You are correct, only history will judge what has happened here as we have differing opinions. In the end though, your guys legacy is going to be dependent upon what Trump does, just like the Bush legacy was dependent upon Obama. Obama did OK because Bush is perceived to have driven us into a ditch. Obama sucks next to B Clinton or Reagan, but looks kinda decent next to Bush. By historical values, both Bush and Obama stink!
If Trump has us return to even close to what it was, Obama will REALLY look crappy, kinda like Carter did after Reagan!
We shall see what happens. So far, so good for Trump as far as economics. Market says great, even as interest rates rise. That is a wonderful sign of confidence. Normally without QE, we would be having the market drop!
Foreign policy, not sold at all, but we shall see!
In closing, let me say what is actual fact, but can not predict it will happen----------> WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO SINK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR 12 YEARS AS REAGAN DID? Answer--------> 4 million GOOD jobs before 2020, and I am talking above and beyond the regular job creation, and these need be in manufacturing. If he delivers that amount of jobs in blue collar areas such as energy, and manufacturing, JFK couldn't win in 2020. Don't know if he can do it, but that is the magic number, around 4 million blue collar jobs. I wouldn't want to try it, but the payoff will be conclusive if he can do it! While times have changed, what Reagan proved (and to a certain extent Trump) conclusively is--------->no matter what color the skin, without the blue collar vote, you can NOT win. Trump knew that too, seems Hillary didn't-)
How do you quantify "regular job creation"?
Number of jobs created under last two Republican presidents? (3 million total over 12 years)
Then if I was the left, I would not worry about Trump. If it is 3 million over 12 years, if it holds the same pattern, that means 1 million over 4 years, and the whole republican apparatus is out in 2020.
I would just remind SOME people of this---------> Do we know why sometimes repubs get elected President, and sometimes Dems? It is not because some people stay home on one side, normally it is because some people SWITCH sides!
What that tells us is----------> no one party has a lock on good ideas; and one partys ideas do not work in every situation. Did JFK's administrations ideas work? Yes! Reagans? Yes! Bill Clintons? Yes! Coolidge? Yes! And yet, they were from different political party's. So, to say that so and so will not succeed because he is either a repub or Democrat is ridiculous, and ideological.
So, when you ask about the last 2 Repub Presidents I say---->they were not Reagan, just like Obama was not JFK! What Trump is has yet to be determined, no matter how some of you want to paint him!
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This phrase, "The Dream Team" first came about when OJ Simpson's defense counsel was formed after he was arrested for murdering his ex-wife. He got off, as you may recall, and found innocent because of an inept prosecution and a stacked jury. So excellent analogy, GumSlinger.
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Do you understand the meaning of "quantify"?
Here's something for you to ponder, Ice....
All Employees: Total Private Industries (USPRIV)
(in ,000s)
Feb 2001 - 111,871
Feb 2009 - 110,774
Dec 2016 - 123,080
Net increase between Feb 2001 and Dec 2016 - 11,209
% of net gain since Feb 2009 - 110%
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Go back to my original question......when you have shown me the courtesy of responding to it (with something other than a question), I will be pleased to address yours.....
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I bet you don't........it vaporizes your "argument"....
What do you believe is left to investigate?
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Iceweasel
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Nope, history goes back farther than reality TV.
Was "dream team" an Olympic Games expression?
a number of persons of the highest ability associated in some joint action:
- a dream team that should easily win the Olympics; a dream team of lawyers.
An early usage from the "Encyclopaedia Britannica: A New Survey of Universal Knowledge" of 1929 appears to refer to sports:
- This caused many army-trainee colleges to drop football temporarily but the others carried on and produced some fabulous elevens in the war years, notably Army, the so-called "dream-team" at West Point.
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--LOL
the only thing you vaporized is whatever credibility you thought you had
you tards are so funny
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That is what is frustrating on one hand, and funny on the other over this whole thing Ice. !/2 of the crying does come from liberals who are afraid of what Trump might do because they have been misinformed, but the other 1/2 are a bunch of government workers who are going to actually have to go and find a J-O-B in the wonderful economy they have been lying about for 8 years, lol! What are the leftists WORRIED ABOUT, hehehehehehehe. Look at the UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, Obowelmovement has it down soooooo LOW, so jobs are easy, and plentiful!
Why don't you post the data, and we'll decide....
You could start with the percentage of net private sector payroll gains, since Feb 2001, realized since Feb 2009....
Need help with the math?
Then I go back to this post----------> you have conclusively proven that the left government workers have no argument about being let go, since the economy is WONDERFUL. We should NOT feel sorry for them, since they have created great expansion, their ideas were spot on, and everything is wonderful.
I also have no idea, not one, why any American that is blue collar, works in a coal mine, works for an auto company, steel, aluminum, etc........would think Obama and the Democrats have thrown them under the bus! It is apparent that these peoples real life experiences have nothing to do with reality after seeing you put forth such overwhelming information. They must be blind in one eye, and can not see out of the other.
If I was a liberal Democrat such as yourself, I would keep touting the Obama accomplishments, how wonderful everything was, how the ACA is just the greatest thing on the planet, because I was obviously wrong on what people were feeling, and so were they. Obviously, no amount of TRUTH could convince the coal miners and blue collar workers, that they weren't really out of a job, it was just their imagination. How dare they! How dumb are they! Your statistics prove them wrong, and it appears EVERY state was under the dumb spell but a very few; ones that have little to do with manufacturing plants, but why quibble about it when you have the stats, lol.
I also have to say that a lot of people who voted for Obama crossed over this time and voted for Trump. Amazing how they were brilliant and correct before, but now they are racist, dumb, and deplorable; but I digress!
You got your narrative, and you have your guy. You are correct, only history will judge what has happened here as we have differing opinions. In the end though, your guys legacy is going to be dependent upon what Trump does, just like the Bush legacy was dependent upon Obama. Obama did OK because Bush is perceived to have driven us into a ditch. Obama sucks next to B Clinton or Reagan, but looks kinda decent next to Bush. By historical values, both Bush and Obama stink!
If Trump has us return to even close to what it was, Obama will REALLY look crappy, kinda like Carter did after Reagan!
We shall see what happens. So far, so good for Trump as far as economics. Market says great, even as interest rates rise. That is a wonderful sign of confidence. Normally without QE, we would be having the market drop!
Foreign policy, not sold at all, but we shall see!
In closing, let me say what is actual fact, but can not predict it will happen----------> WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO SINK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR 12 YEARS AS REAGAN DID? Answer--------> 4 million GOOD jobs before 2020, and I am talking above and beyond the regular job creation, and these need be in manufacturing. If he delivers that amount of jobs in blue collar areas such as energy, and manufacturing, JFK couldn't win in 2020. Don't know if he can do it, but that is the magic number, around 4 million blue collar jobs. I wouldn't want to try it, but the payoff will be conclusive if he can do it! While times have changed, what Reagan proved (and to a certain extent Trump) conclusively is--------->no matter what color the skin, without the blue collar vote, you can NOT win. Trump knew that too, seems Hillary didn't-)
How do you quantify "regular job creation"?
Number of jobs created under last two Republican presidents? (3 million total over 12 years)
Then if I was the left, I would not worry about Trump. If it is 3 million over 12 years, if it holds the same pattern, that means 1 million over 4 years, and the whole republican apparatus is out in 2020.
I would just remind SOME people of this---------> Do we know why sometimes repubs get elected President, and sometimes Dems? It is not because some people stay home on one side, normally it is because some people SWITCH sides!
What that tells us is----------> no one party has a lock on good ideas; and one partys ideas do not work in every situation. Did JFK's administrations ideas work? Yes! Reagans? Yes! Bill Clintons? Yes! Coolidge? Yes! And yet, they were from different political party's. So, to say that so and so will not succeed because he is either a repub or Democrat is ridiculous, and ideological.
So, when you ask about the last 2 Repub Presidents I say---->they were not Reagan, just like Obama was not JFK! What Trump is has yet to be determined, no matter how some of you want to paint him!
I'm just trying to understand how many jobs according to you Trump has to make that you would consider success.
Obama created 11-16 million jobs (depending if you count since end of recession he clearly didn't cause or since day he got into office). Which is about 4 times what both Bushes managed.
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That is what is frustrating on one hand, and funny on the other over this whole thing Ice. !/2 of the crying does come from liberals who are afraid of what Trump might do because they have been misinformed, but the other 1/2 are a bunch of government workers who are going to actually have to go and find a J-O-B in the wonderful economy they have been lying about for 8 years, lol! What are the leftists WORRIED ABOUT, hehehehehehehe. Look at the UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, Obowelmovement has it down soooooo LOW, so jobs are easy, and plentiful!
Why don't you post the data, and we'll decide....
You could start with the percentage of net private sector payroll gains, since Feb 2001, realized since Feb 2009....
Need help with the math?
Then I go back to this post----------> you have conclusively proven that the left government workers have no argument about being let go, since the economy is WONDERFUL. We should NOT feel sorry for them, since they have created great expansion, their ideas were spot on, and everything is wonderful.
I also have no idea, not one, why any American that is blue collar, works in a coal mine, works for an auto company, steel, aluminum, etc........would think Obama and the Democrats have thrown them under the bus! It is apparent that these peoples real life experiences have nothing to do with reality after seeing you put forth such overwhelming information. They must be blind in one eye, and can not see out of the other.
If I was a liberal Democrat such as yourself, I would keep touting the Obama accomplishments, how wonderful everything was, how the ACA is just the greatest thing on the planet, because I was obviously wrong on what people were feeling, and so were they. Obviously, no amount of TRUTH could convince the coal miners and blue collar workers, that they weren't really out of a job, it was just their imagination. How dare they! How dumb are they! Your statistics prove them wrong, and it appears EVERY state was under the dumb spell but a very few; ones that have little to do with manufacturing plants, but why quibble about it when you have the stats, lol.
I also have to say that a lot of people who voted for Obama crossed over this time and voted for Trump. Amazing how they were brilliant and correct before, but now they are racist, dumb, and deplorable; but I digress!
You got your narrative, and you have your guy. You are correct, only history will judge what has happened here as we have differing opinions. In the end though, your guys legacy is going to be dependent upon what Trump does, just like the Bush legacy was dependent upon Obama. Obama did OK because Bush is perceived to have driven us into a ditch. Obama sucks next to B Clinton or Reagan, but looks kinda decent next to Bush. By historical values, both Bush and Obama stink!
If Trump has us return to even close to what it was, Obama will REALLY look crappy, kinda like Carter did after Reagan!
We shall see what happens. So far, so good for Trump as far as economics. Market says great, even as interest rates rise. That is a wonderful sign of confidence. Normally without QE, we would be having the market drop!
Foreign policy, not sold at all, but we shall see!
In closing, let me say what is actual fact, but can not predict it will happen----------> WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO SINK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR 12 YEARS AS REAGAN DID? Answer--------> 4 million GOOD jobs before 2020, and I am talking above and beyond the regular job creation, and these need be in manufacturing. If he delivers that amount of jobs in blue collar areas such as energy, and manufacturing, JFK couldn't win in 2020. Don't know if he can do it, but that is the magic number, around 4 million blue collar jobs. I wouldn't want to try it, but the payoff will be conclusive if he can do it! While times have changed, what Reagan proved (and to a certain extent Trump) conclusively is--------->no matter what color the skin, without the blue collar vote, you can NOT win. Trump knew that too, seems Hillary didn't-)
I've never doubted that you can fashion Narrative as fast as you need it......I mean, it's not like you have to spend a lot of time sourcing, analyzing and synthesizing facts....
Next time you decide to go off about reliance on opinion, consider that in the course of this exchange you brought ONE piece of objective evidence - and you got that COMPLETELY wrong. The rest of your contribution is best categorized as "random pie hole leakage"....
And that NOTHING you have brought forward as fact is agreed upon by your fellow Americans except in California and a couple of other states. That is what really matters here. It is NOT where America knows we are, but rather where America thinks we SHOULD BE that defeated Hillary Clinton. If that is NOT the case, then tell me why she lost in former blue states!
Statistics are fine, they are good, they tell people many things, especially about investments. But what statistics do not tell you is what is nuanced. If I told this board I can get them 5% return on their money, many would jump for joy........until they found out the historical average was around 7%.
If I told people that BHO had massive growth in return in the stock market, then they would think his economy was gang busters. They would be wrong!
All you have proven in my opinion, is that BHO was better than Bush, and while I think that is debatable, for the sake of argument, I will give it to you. Prove him better than Reagan! Prove him better than Clinton! I dunno, but was he even better than Carter?
YOU are defending him from partisanship! I am attacking him from performance in history. If you want, I can post his performance as far as economics, and his debt intake, but why? You already know the answer, which is why your whole argument is BOOOOOSHHHHHH!!!!!!!
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That is what is frustrating on one hand, and funny on the other over this whole thing Ice. !/2 of the crying does come from liberals who are afraid of what Trump might do because they have been misinformed, but the other 1/2 are a bunch of government workers who are going to actually have to go and find a J-O-B in the wonderful economy they have been lying about for 8 years, lol! What are the leftists WORRIED ABOUT, hehehehehehehe. Look at the UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, Obowelmovement has it down soooooo LOW, so jobs are easy, and plentiful!
Why don't you post the data, and we'll decide....
You could start with the percentage of net private sector payroll gains, since Feb 2001, realized since Feb 2009....
Need help with the math?
Then I go back to this post----------> you have conclusively proven that the left government workers have no argument about being let go, since the economy is WONDERFUL. We should NOT feel sorry for them, since they have created great expansion, their ideas were spot on, and everything is wonderful.
I also have no idea, not one, why any American that is blue collar, works in a coal mine, works for an auto company, steel, aluminum, etc........would think Obama and the Democrats have thrown them under the bus! It is apparent that these peoples real life experiences have nothing to do with reality after seeing you put forth such overwhelming information. They must be blind in one eye, and can not see out of the other.
If I was a liberal Democrat such as yourself, I would keep touting the Obama accomplishments, how wonderful everything was, how the ACA is just the greatest thing on the planet, because I was obviously wrong on what people were feeling, and so were they. Obviously, no amount of TRUTH could convince the coal miners and blue collar workers, that they weren't really out of a job, it was just their imagination. How dare they! How dumb are they! Your statistics prove them wrong, and it appears EVERY state was under the dumb spell but a very few; ones that have little to do with manufacturing plants, but why quibble about it when you have the stats, lol.
I also have to say that a lot of people who voted for Obama crossed over this time and voted for Trump. Amazing how they were brilliant and correct before, but now they are racist, dumb, and deplorable; but I digress!
You got your narrative, and you have your guy. You are correct, only history will judge what has happened here as we have differing opinions. In the end though, your guys legacy is going to be dependent upon what Trump does, just like the Bush legacy was dependent upon Obama. Obama did OK because Bush is perceived to have driven us into a ditch. Obama sucks next to B Clinton or Reagan, but looks kinda decent next to Bush. By historical values, both Bush and Obama stink!
If Trump has us return to even close to what it was, Obama will REALLY look crappy, kinda like Carter did after Reagan!
We shall see what happens. So far, so good for Trump as far as economics. Market says great, even as interest rates rise. That is a wonderful sign of confidence. Normally without QE, we would be having the market drop!
Foreign policy, not sold at all, but we shall see!
In closing, let me say what is actual fact, but can not predict it will happen----------> WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO SINK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR 12 YEARS AS REAGAN DID? Answer--------> 4 million GOOD jobs before 2020, and I am talking above and beyond the regular job creation, and these need be in manufacturing. If he delivers that amount of jobs in blue collar areas such as energy, and manufacturing, JFK couldn't win in 2020. Don't know if he can do it, but that is the magic number, around 4 million blue collar jobs. I wouldn't want to try it, but the payoff will be conclusive if he can do it! While times have changed, what Reagan proved (and to a certain extent Trump) conclusively is--------->no matter what color the skin, without the blue collar vote, you can NOT win. Trump knew that too, seems Hillary didn't-)
How do you quantify "regular job creation"?
Number of jobs created under last two Republican presidents? (3 million total over 12 years)
Then if I was the left, I would not worry about Trump. If it is 3 million over 12 years, if it holds the same pattern, that means 1 million over 4 years, and the whole republican apparatus is out in 2020.
I would just remind SOME people of this---------> Do we know why sometimes repubs get elected President, and sometimes Dems? It is not because some people stay home on one side, normally it is because some people SWITCH sides!
What that tells us is----------> no one party has a lock on good ideas; and one partys ideas do not work in every situation. Did JFK's administrations ideas work? Yes! Reagans? Yes! Bill Clintons? Yes! Coolidge? Yes! And yet, they were from different political party's. So, to say that so and so will not succeed because he is either a repub or Democrat is ridiculous, and ideological.
So, when you ask about the last 2 Repub Presidents I say---->they were not Reagan, just like Obama was not JFK! What Trump is has yet to be determined, no matter how some of you want to paint him!
I'm just trying to understand how many jobs according to you Trump has to make that you would consider success.
Obama created 11-16 million jobs (depending if you count since end of recession he clearly didn't cause or since day he got into office). Which is about 4 times what both Bushes managed.
I think he has to do about the same, but 4 million or so of them have to be blue collar or manufacturing jobs. If we take 11 million, divided by 2 for a 1 term, that leaves us 5.5 million. Make 4 million of those blue collar, and that should do it!
Iceweasel
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No, more like private sector growth. Hiring public employees doesn't grow the economy. Somebody has to pay for them.
Reagan Still Beats Obama’s Below-Average Job Growth, by Deroy Murdock, National Review
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It was almost 3 million more votes wasn't it? So almost 3 million more people voted for Clinton than voted for Trump...so the answer to Edgey's question is "because slave owners demanded an electoral college".
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No, more like private sector growth. Hiring public employees doesn't grow the economy. Somebody has to pay for them.
Reagan Still Beats Obama’s Below-Average Job Growth, by Deroy Murdock, National Review
Obama sucks because he didn't quite match Reagan's job growth? What about both Bushes under who economy created 1/4 of the jobs it did under Obama?
Also, where is your graph for Clinton and Carter...you know....guys that make Reagan look like that sucky Obama on Jobs.
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Clinton benefited from the dotcom bubble, housing market, all of which crashed. I'm not sure what Bush was supposed to do about it. Your suggestion was ...?Obama sucks because he didn't quite match Reagan's job growth? What about both Bushes under who economy created 1/4 of the jobs it did under Obama?
Also, where is your graph for Clinton and Carter...you know....guys that make Reagan look like that sucky Obama on Jobs.
And what did obama do to boost the economy? We have what we do in spite of him, not because of him. You also refuse to look at who controlled the purse strings at the time. Very dishonest!
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No, more like private sector growth. Hiring public employees doesn't grow the economy. Somebody has to pay for them.
Reagan Still Beats Obama’s Below-Average Job Growth, by Deroy Murdock, National Review
Obama sucks because he didn't quite match Reagan's job growth? What about both Bushes under who economy created 1/4 of the jobs it did under Obama?
Also, where is your graph for Clinton and Carter...you know....guys that make Reagan look like that sucky Obama on Jobs.
Here, I am not going to go through the government sites to prove my point, so I took a site that is liberal, namely the New York times.
In fairness, this was only up to 2011, so we can exclude Obama from this if you wish, but what really matters is GDP, and how fast the economy is growing, along with handling of said economy. This list is in inverse order, just so you understand, and have a nice afternoon!
https://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/ranking-the-presidents-by-g-d-p/
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