The Trump Brain Drain Has Begun

[HikerGuy83]

If AI writes your thesis AI should evaluate it. That would be interesting.

In industry, your GPA means little after about 3 years.

You either do the job or you don't.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Trump/MAGA immigration policy is racist.

Assuming that black and brown people are the only ones who broke the law in coming here.

 

[HikerGuy83]

More than three-quarters of scientists in the U.S are weighing leaving the country and are looking at Europe and Canada as their top relocation spots...

Such a claim is hysterical.

How many scientists live in the U.S.

AI estimates 3 to 4 million.

3 million people are going to move to Europe or Canada.

Someone actually believes that?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I like it like that.
Thanks.

A nuclear physicist might well want to escape the tyranny of the United States rather than risk his life because he misgendered someone.

 

[Woodznutz]

In industry, your GPA means little after about 3 years.

You either do the job or you don't.

Industry is beginning to acknowledge that by not requiring a college degree from job applicants.

 

[schmidlap]

The worship of the diploma is hysterical.

This is the failure of Bernie Sanders' approach.

If everyone is special, no one is special.

Advanced degrees are as political as anything else.

Who do you have to get to agree that your thesis was acceptable?

You should not worship diplomas, but should value education.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Seems to me the genesis of this whole weird anti-science thing was the early days of the climate change debate.

They're willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater, 'cuz it keeps stuff simple 'n stuff.

This isn't about scientists.

It's about pulling funding.

amid President Trump's elimination of funding for several scientific programs.

What programs ? The article never says.

 

[Woodznutz]

You should not worship diplomas, but should value expertise.

Diploma worship is still a thing in liberal circles.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You should not worship diplomas, but should value expertise.

And what assumptions are behind that statement?

How does it relate to the OP you posted?

If you are saying a PhD gives you expertise, I might agree (might).

If you are saying a PhD is the only way to get expertise, I will totally disagree.

If you are saying all expertise is meaningful, I'd also disagree.

Let's see what you are really hiding behind.

 

[Unkotare]

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Americans, including many American Jews, have floated moving to Canada at earlier stages in the now decade-long Trump era. But now, faced with a re-elected president who has pursued increasingly draconian policies in areas including immigration, education, free speech and beyond, some say they are now hearing echoes of prewar Europe — and a siren song telling them it’s time to leave.​

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You should go with them. Maybe one of them can put you up in their garage or something.

 

[HikerGuy83]

So, you have no conflicting data, but just don't like what the extant data confirms.

Your data confirms nothing.

Your statement is that some petulant litte kids are worried their funding is going to be pulled and are looking for an alternative.

This gets turned into we are losing the best and the brightest.

You have shown nothing that demonstrates that.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Contempt for equality, inclusivity, humanitarian programs, public service, higher education, science, medicine, the free press, the arts, and the U.S. Constitution will now result in a reverse migration. Not as cataclysmic as nuclear physicists' stampeding to the U.S. to escape the rising fanaticism in Europe in the 1930s, but, quite likely, the imminent expatriation will be every bit as corrosive over the coming years.

America was great when it attracted the best and the brightest. Now, it repels them.

Some like it that way, of course.

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A French university courting U.S.-based academics said it has already received nearly 300 applications for researchers seeking "refugee status" amid President Trump's elimination of funding for several scientific programs.​

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Last month, Aix-Marseille University, one of the country's oldest and largest universities, announced it was accepting applications for its Safe Place For Science program, which it said offers "a safe and stimulating environment for scientists wishing to pursue their research in complete freedom."​

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This week, Aix-Marseille said it had received 298 applications, and 242 of them are eligible and currently up for review. Of the eligible applicants, 135 are American...​

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https://www.npr.org/2025/04/18/nx-s1-5368132/us-researchers-scientists-apply-french-university-program

And, of course, the U.S. is becoming a place that the best and brightest from elsewhere will no longer want to contribute to.
Is the self-inflicted, inbred decline inexorable?

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I guess I should ask....are you one of them ?

 

[Woodznutz]

Malcontents should leave; more room for the rest of us.

 

[Unkotare]

I guess I should ask....are you one of them ?

He wants to be.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The best-educated states

Can we get a clue as to what that means?

Is Washington a "best educated" state ?

Seattle: Although not an "autonomous zone". You know....a really educated idea.

 

[Woodznutz]

Contempt for equality, inclusivity, humanitarian programs, public service, higher education, science, medicine, the free press, the arts,

Proliferation of these indicates national failure, not advancement.

 

[HikerGuy83]

He wants to be.

Is there a gofundme account we can contribute to that will verify it's him and when he's left.

Also needs to sign a promise to stay out for five years minimum.

 

[Unkotare]

Is there a gofundme account we can contribute to that will verify it's him and when he's left.

Also needs to sign a promise to stay out for five years minimum.

You couldn't trust him to honor it.

 

[BluesLegend]

A nuclear physicist might well want to escape the tyranny of the United States rather than risk his life because he misgendered someone.

Vast swaths of science are stoked Trump is president again. After all Democrats BAN everything. Imagine all the smart people working in oil, gas, mining, and related industries.

 

[HikerGuy83]

In industry, your GPA means little after about 3 years.

I should add that for many years, the color of your skin meant everything for 10 years.

I recall getting the file on a candidate that had all kinds of stickers on it (having passed through several departments that they normally did not pass through). There was also a note that said this candidate should be given priority consideration for the job they were applying for (meaning you'd better have a good reason for not recommending them).

I opened the file and started to read. Low GPA. Few recommendations letters.

But the candidate was a minority.