The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[ABikerSailor]

Speaking as a career Navy man who served through 4 war zones from 1982 until 2002, I can safely say that Yota is full of shit.

Met my first gay person in '83 while serving on my first ship.

Was living with 2 lesbians in 1997-1998 on my last ship.

No. Gays will NOT impact readiness, and, with them being able to serve openly, will be able to contribute SIGNIFICANTLY to overall readiness.

Apparently, Yota, you've never been deployed, have you?

 

[slukasiewski]

Speaking as a career Navy man who served through 4 war zones from 1982 until 2002, I can safely say that Yota is full of shit.

Met my first gay person in '83 while serving on my first ship.

Was living with 2 lesbians in 1997-1998 on my last ship.

No. Gays will NOT impact readiness, and, with them being able to serve openly, will be able to contribute SIGNIFICANTLY to overall readiness.

Apparently, Yota, you've never been deployed, have you?

You were an Admin puke who jerked off in the Ship's Office to service records all night and kept your nose up the CO/XO's ass all day. No surprised you were attracted to/met all the shipboard freaks. Most Admin pukes were indeed faggots.

Do you know why the Navy created the RP rating?

So faggots like you would have someone to date at the Navy Ball.

How romantic - you remember the date you met your first gay aboard ship.

What a pole smoker.

 

[Gadawg73]

Do some of you bull dykes and pole smokers in this thread have ******* jobs?

Some of you carpet munchers and faggots have been posting in this thread for days now, 24/7.

Get a ******* life...

I own three corporations, have worked full time for 40 years, 30 as a licensed private detective.
The last time I saw something like you I flushed it.

I am not impressed with your bullshit claims.

Poser.

You're nothing more than a random idiot on the Internets...

OK, how about we both put up $50,000. We will let the attorney of your choice hold the $.
Then you can look at the Georgia Secretary of State Licensing Division under the Georgia Board of Private Detectives and Security Agencies. Go there now and see for yourself this is the government entity that licenses me.
I bet you $50,000. that I have been licensed since 1981 and received my top tier agency license in 1985. Governor Perdue had me and a few others write the most recent test the Board gives. I was working criminal defense cases for trial lawyers when you were crying to mommie that the neighborhood kid was kicking your milk toast weak ass.
And I am that neighborhood kid X TWO.
Put up or shut up.
I doubt I will ever get it because your milk is weak and you are a candy ass chicken shit that is scared to back up your sissy claims and back up your claims. You will not take this bet because now you are exposed as the clown that you are.

How does it feel to be shown as a FRAUD?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Speaking as a career Navy man who served through 4 war zones from 1982 until 2002, I can safely say that Yota is full of shit.

Met my first gay person in '83 while serving on my first ship.

Was living with 2 lesbians in 1997-1998 on my last ship.

No. Gays will NOT impact readiness, and, with them being able to serve openly, will be able to contribute SIGNIFICANTLY to overall readiness.

Apparently, Yota, you've never been deployed, have you?

You were an Admin puke who jerked off in the Ship's Office to service records all day and kept your nose up the CO/XO's ass all day. No surprised you were attracted to/met all the shipboard freaks. Most Admin pukes were indeed faggots.

Do you know why the Navy created the RP rating?

So faggots like you would have someone to date at the Navy Ball.

Yeah.....sure.........PN is also one of the few rates allowed into the SEALs, which is why I chose it, however, I didn't qualify for SEALs because my vision wasn't able to be corrected to standards.

My other qualifications are as such.......At Sea fire party (nozzleman), NBC Warfare Team (was decontamination station monitor), Security Force qualified, PRT Coordinator, DAPA, and have had 2 fully independent duty stations onboard an MSC vessel, as well as LPO of Amarillo MEPS Navy office.

I still ride 10 plus miles/day (at 46) and am quite confident that some chump steak such as yourself probably separated after their first enlistment, due to not being able to hack it.

Try again ya sperm slurpling retarded cock monkey. Go find someone else's butt to sniff around, because you sure as **** ain't impressing me.

I'm guessing that you went back to your parent's basement when you got out, and are still living there rent free.

 

[bodecea]

Speaking as a career Navy man who served through 4 war zones from 1982 until 2002, I can safely say that Yota is full of shit.

Met my first gay person in '83 while serving on my first ship.

Was living with 2 lesbians in 1997-1998 on my last ship.

No. Gays will NOT impact readiness, and, with them being able to serve openly, will be able to contribute SIGNIFICANTLY to overall readiness.

Apparently, Yota, you've never been deployed, have you?

You were an Admin puke who jerked off in the Ship's Office to service records all night and kept your nose up the CO/XO's ass all day. No surprised you were attracted to/met all the shipboard freaks. Most Admin pukes were indeed faggots.

Do you know why the Navy created the RP rating?

So faggots like you would have someone to date at the Navy Ball.

How romantic - you remember the date you met your first gay aboard ship.

What a pole smoker.

Oh look. You're working the imagery of gay sex into your posts again. What a surprise.

 

[bodecea]

I own three corporations, have worked full time for 40 years, 30 as a licensed private detective.
The last time I saw something like you I flushed it.

I am not impressed with your bullshit claims.

Poser.

You're nothing more than a random idiot on the Internets...

OK, how about we both put up $50,000. We will let the attorney of your choice hold the $.
Then you can look at the Georgia Secretary of State Licensing Division under the Georgia Board of Private Detectives and Security Agencies. Go there now and see for yourself this is the government entity that licenses me.
I bet you $50,000. that I have been licensed since 1981 and received my top tier agency license in 1985. Governor Perdue had me and a few others write the most recent test the Board gives. I was working criminal defense cases for trial lawyers when you were crying to mommie that the neighborhood kid was kicking your milk toast weak ass.
And I am that neighborhood kid X TWO.
Put up or shut up.
I doubt I will ever get it because your milk is weak and you are a candy ass chicken shit that is scared to back up your sissy claims and back up your claims. You will not take this bet because now you are exposed as the clown that you are.

How does it feel to be shown as a FRAUD?

Georgia? You're not that far from him then. Sounds doable, easily doable. I wonder if he'll take you up on that.

 

[Spoonman]

That last is totally incorrect Ollie.

ok here's the deal dude. Prayer is ok as long as you do it in silence. you can be a christian and be free to express your faith as long as you keep it to yourself. But don't do it out in the open or with a member of the faculty because you'll be shut down and and the teacher will be fired. Be honest, are you really OK with that?

Actually, you can do it outloud all you want. The school cannot direct you in prayer tho. How is that so horrible?

And why can the school not direct you. or let me rephrase lead a group who chose to participate?

 

[Seawytch]

I see a lot of intellectualizing, should be, and wish I coulda. Yet not one individual has given even one substantive reason as to how gays serving openly in the military will contribute to a units combat readiness. Combat readiness is the only thing that matters. Whether gays get into the service or not is meaningless. What matters is that if combat readiness is impaired American national security is at risk.

Gays serving openly in the military will destroy a units cohesiveness. The key components of trust, and respect will be eliminated. Not all active duty personnel will agree with this statement. There are gays lurking in the shadows. 12,500 gays have been discharge under DADT. The reason that gays lurk in the shadows is because they aren't wanted. Don't Ask, Don't Tell - How Many Gay Soldiers Have Been Discharged Under Don't Ask, Don't Tell

Something like 25 countries have lifted their bans on gays serving honestly. Please provide evidence that their military readiness was adversely affected in any way, shape or form.

70% of Americans support lifting the ban. The Pentagon survey showed 70% believe a repeal of DADT would have either a positive effect or no effect on their ability to complete missions.

Your homophobic opinions are not supported by ANY facts or evidence.

 

[Seawytch]

ok here's the deal dude. Prayer is ok as long as you do it in silence. you can be a christian and be free to express your faith as long as you keep it to yourself. But don't do it out in the open or with a member of the faculty because you'll be shut down and and the teacher will be fired. Be honest, are you really OK with that?

Actually, you can do it outloud all you want. The school cannot direct you in prayer tho. How is that so horrible?

And why can the school not direct you. or let me rephrase lead a group who chose to participate?

So you'd be okay if a teacher decided to lead their class in a Muslim prayer to Allah for those that "choose to" participate?

 

[Spoonman]

Actually, you can do it outloud all you want. The school cannot direct you in prayer tho. How is that so horrible?

And why can the school not direct you. or let me rephrase lead a group who chose to participate?

So you'd be okay if a teacher decided to lead their class in a Muslim prayer to Allah for those that "choose to" participate?

sure, why not.

 

[Seawytch]

And why can the school not direct you. or let me rephrase lead a group who chose to participate?

So you'd be okay if a teacher decided to lead their class in a Muslim prayer to Allah for those that "choose to" participate?

sure, why not.

Because public schools are secular. Teachers shouldn't be leading children in ANY kind of prayer. If you want prayer in school, send your kids to a religious school.

 

[Spoonman]

So you'd be okay if a teacher decided to lead their class in a Muslim prayer to Allah for those that "choose to" participate?

sure, why not.

Because public schools are secular. Teachers shouldn't be leading children in ANY kind of prayer. If you want prayer in school, send your kids to a religious school.

why because the warren court redefined the constitution? See here's the deal, a bunch of whiny athiests said prayer in school offends us. we don't want it. So the court ruled and disallowed it. one side got it's way, the other side lost out and was silenced. but that is called fair.

it's the same way with gays in the military. a group says, hey we aren't comfortable with that. So they aren't allowed. One side wins out , the other loses. So you just have to deal with it. until you can provide a military benefit to allowing gays to be openly gay in the military, there is no compelling reason to make a change. Gays can be in the military. thye just need to be quiet about it. AND don't expect the military to endorse it

 

[Spoonman]

So you'd be okay if a teacher decided to lead their class in a Muslim prayer to Allah for those that "choose to" participate?

sure, why not.

Because public schools are secular. Teachers shouldn't be leading children in ANY kind of prayer. If you want prayer in school, send your kids to a religious school.

see, that's because you are an open minded, free thinker, who believes in personal liberties and freedoms. So why are you guys always the first to try to control someones freedoms?

 

[Seawytch]

sure, why not.

Because public schools are secular. Teachers shouldn't be leading children in ANY kind of prayer. If you want prayer in school, send your kids to a religious school.

see, that's because you are an open minded, free thinker, who believes in personal liberties and freedoms. So why are you guys always the first to try to control someones freedoms?

Nobody is controlling your "freedoms" for god's sake. Nobody said you can't pray any freaking time you want to. Your "freedom" to pray is not infringed upon. Every religious kid prays before every test I'm sure. Why do you feel that your "freedom" requires that my kid, who is not raised with a formal religion, has to listen to yours?

 

[Spoonman]

Because public schools are secular. Teachers shouldn't be leading children in ANY kind of prayer. If you want prayer in school, send your kids to a religious school.

see, that's because you are an open minded, free thinker, who believes in personal liberties and freedoms. So why are you guys always the first to try to control someones freedoms?

Nobody is controlling your "freedoms" for god's sake. Nobody said you can't pray any freaking time you want to. Your "freedom" to pray is not infringed upon. Every religious kid prays before every test I'm sure. Why do you feel that your "freedom" requires that my kid, who is not raised with a formal religion, has to listen to yours?

So tell me free thinker. exactly what part of this quote from the constitution says schools are secular - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,

And why do you feel that someones need to be gay has to be accepted by me or anyone else?

 

[bodecea]

ok here's the deal dude. Prayer is ok as long as you do it in silence. you can be a christian and be free to express your faith as long as you keep it to yourself. But don't do it out in the open or with a member of the faculty because you'll be shut down and and the teacher will be fired. Be honest, are you really OK with that?

Actually, you can do it outloud all you want. The school cannot direct you in prayer tho. How is that so horrible?

And why can the school not direct you. or let me rephrase lead a group who chose to participate?

Which prayer will the school direct? Catholic? Baptist? Muslim? Hindu? Jewish? Methodist? Which one?

 

[Spoonman]

Actually, you can do it outloud all you want. The school cannot direct you in prayer tho. How is that so horrible?

And why can the school not direct you. or let me rephrase lead a group who chose to participate?

Which prayer will the school direct? Catholic? Baptist? Muslim? Hindu? Jewish? Methodist? Which one?

any one. see unlike you, I really am tolerant

 

[yota5]

Speaking as a career Navy man who served through 4 war zones from 1982 until 2002, I can safely say that Yota is full of shit.

Met my first gay person in '83 while serving on my first ship.

Was living with 2 lesbians in 1997-1998 on my last ship.

No. Gays will NOT impact readiness, and, with them being able to serve openly, will be able to contribute SIGNIFICANTLY to overall readiness.

Apparently, Yota, you've never been deployed, have you?

I've got to admit that I was fortunate in not being deployed with a bunch of rump rangers like you allege that you did. So in that case my deployments while not always pleasant observed standard SOP.

I say this again. Under DADT a service member declaring deviant sexual persuasion was discharged immediately. End of story. That is why your fable doesn't hold water. That lends credence to the assumption that you've never served in the US Military.

Check out this story. Even the first lady doesn't want to hang out with Obama's rump rangers. "A gay military advocacy group is complaining that the White House blocked its members from attending the kickoff for a military families initiative Tuesday afternoon, despite the fact Congress voted to repeal "don't ask, don't tell" last year.

The repeal of the longstanding policy banning gays from serving openly in the military has not yet gone into effect -- a fact first lady Michelle Obama's office cited in explaining its apparent decision not to allow Servicemembers United at the White House on Tuesday. The kickoff was hosted by Michelle Obama and Jill Biden, Vice President Biden's wife."

Read more: Gay Advocacy Group Challenges White House Over Exclusion From Military Event - FoxNews.com

 

[bodecea]

And why can the school not direct you. or let me rephrase lead a group who chose to participate?

Which prayer will the school direct? Catholic? Baptist? Muslim? Hindu? Jewish? Methodist? Which one?

any one. see unlike you, I really am tolerant

I feel very uncomfortable with a governmental entity doing prayer of one kind or another...I would think that religious people would be just as uncomfortable. It's not an issue of religion in government, it's an issue of government in religion. And that I most certainly am not tolerant of...proudly so.

 

[WorldWatcher]

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Prediction (and I paraphrase from those over the months and years who have opposed the repeal of DADT): "There will be a mass exodus of people who will refuse to serve in a military where homosexuals are allowed to serve without DADT."


Result:

"A spokesman for the Army Chaplain Corps said about three-fourths of all chaplains have taken Tier-1 training on the subject. Tier-1 training is for counselors and professionals such as personnel officers, recruiters, lawyers and chaplains.

Only one chaplain of the 2,900 in the Army asked to leave the service due to pending repeal of the law, said Lt. Col. Carleton Birch, strategic communications officer for the Army's Chief of Chaplain's Office. He said that chaplain left before the training began, and the remainder have benefited from an "open and honest discourse" that the training forum provides."​

One Chaplain out of 2,900 is 0.03%.


If religious folk aren't leaving, I think the assumption of not having huge numbers leave pretty solid. I'm beginning to doubt we will see the 25-40% predictions I seem to remember.


Leaders say DADT repeal training effective


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