The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[rightwinger]

Why the hell do people keep trying to compare gays with Blacks?

I'm sorry to inform you that one is a racist problem (Yes there is still racism out there) and the other is a cultural problem. (To say it one way)

At any rate there is no comparison.

And don't give me all the BS I've heard all the arguments, they do not match.

Same arguments were used in the late 40's

- it will ruin morale
- we will lose good people
- I do not want to shower with blacks
- let the military decide for themselves

Your right to serve your country should not be restricted because of the prejudices of others

 

[kaz]

Gotcha, so cervical cancer's not a women's disease either.

He said "gay or straight." Said nothing about "male or female." So, you've got nothing.

Wrong quote, he said disease is disease.

You two are Dumb and Dumber, I said AIDS is primarily a gay disease with the exception of drug users, show me wrong, don't play word games. Then again, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

BTW, here's another one for you. Sickle cell anemia's primarily a black disease...

 

[gekaap]

I said it's...wait for it...not fair...to put a soldier in position to have to choose between sacrificing his career and supporting espionage. Since that's not in conflict with anything you've argued, I'm not interested in your sending me on a search. Sorry.

So WHAT THE **** are you talking about espionage for? Espionage has nothing to do with gays serving in the military.

 

[kaz]

I said it's...wait for it...not fair...to put a soldier in position to have to choose between sacrificing his career and supporting espionage. Since that's not in conflict with anything you've argued, I'm not interested in your sending me on a search. Sorry.

So WHAT THE **** are you talking about espionage for? Espionage has nothing to do with gays serving in the military.

I said I do not support banning gays from the military and gave that as an example why. I am going to say this one more time and I'm not responding to you on this point unless you process it and come up with a coherent point.

I oppose banning gays from the military. I see no reason they have to tell. So I actually think don't ask don't tell is the right policy today. I also believe in the future it won't be as disruptive as it is today because societal attitudes are changing and probably in my lifetime the military will change the rule on it's own. But I see no reason gays need to say they are gay no matter how much you want them to. If you want to argue with me, argue my view.

 

[SFC Ollie]

There we go again, Since when am I homophobic? If you actually knew anything about me you would already know that my stepson is gay.

So you're telling us that your stepson should not be able to serve in the military? That if he did serve in the military he should be required to remain abstinent and that he should be prohibited from even talking to his mother about his sexuality?

I do not believe that this is a wise decision especially during time of war.

You think that people's constitutional rights should be ignored just because it's a time of war?



Wait a second...we have the world's mightiest military, and two boys holding hands is going to somehow cause problems?

We shall see. But don't go calling me names when you know nothing....

Of course, nobody here knows anything except you. You're the only one here who has served in the military. You're the only expert in the world on the subject. The current heads of our military institutions are of course unknowning.

Discrimination is discrimination, this is true, but there is still a wide difference.

If you don't understand how incredibly stupid a thing that was to say, then you should spend your time on things that don't require any thought. Because you're obviously not good at it.

You know what? When I make a statement, don't try to analyze it or read into it. I say exactly what i mean. You are trying real hard to make me say things that I didn't say or mean. Ever heard the term KISS? Keep it simple, stupid.

 

[Gadawg73]

Gotcha, so cervical cancer's not a women's disease either.

He said "gay or straight." Said nothing about "male or female." So, you've got nothing.

Wrong quote, he said disease is disease.

You two are Dumb and Dumber, I said AIDS is primarily a gay disease with the exception of drug users, show me wrong, don't play word games. Then again, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

BTW, here's another one for you. Sickle cell anemia's primarily a black disease...

We may be dumb but we do not lie.
You clearly stated "for all the liberal desire to declare it a non gay disease, it always was a primarily gay disease".
You said it Buster.
Diseases do not have sexual orientation. There are no "gay" and "non gay" diseases fool.
Sickle cell anemia is genetic ands not contagious dumb ass. You need to quit while you are still just stumbling and bumbling.

 

[Grace]

If its wrong to ask a gay soldier if he is gay (it IS a sexual question), then it should be wrong to ask a straight soldier if he eats *****.

Just sayin'.

 

[kaz]

He said "gay or straight." Said nothing about "male or female." So, you've got nothing.

Wrong quote, he said disease is disease.

You two are Dumb and Dumber, I said AIDS is primarily a gay disease with the exception of drug users, show me wrong, don't play word games. Then again, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

BTW, here's another one for you. Sickle cell anemia's primarily a black disease...

We may be dumb but we do not lie.
You clearly stated "for all the liberal desire to declare it a non gay disease, it always was a primarily gay disease".
You said it Buster.
Diseases do not have sexual orientation. There are no "gay" and "non gay" diseases fool.
Sickle cell anemia is genetic ands not contagious dumb ass. You need to quit while you are still just stumbling and bumbling.

Most of your posts are so incoherent I've given up on responding to them. According to the CDC over 2/3 of all aids cases are homosexual contact. And what 2% of the population is gay? That's what I mean it's a gay disease.

As for you, I don't even know what you're arguing, you're going to have to clarify. Maybe your mommy can help you phrase it so it makes sense, ask her for some help.

 

[gekaap]

Okay, good. We've moved on past the BS of espionage.

I oppose banning gays from the military.

You do realize that DADT did exactly that, right? Under DADT any homosexual conduct was deemed incompatible with military service, and that simply telling one's own parents "Mom, Dad, I'm gay" was sufficient to get you kicked out, right?

I see no reason they have to tell.

Nobody said that by repealing DADT gay people must disclose their sexuality. The issue at hand is that heterosexual people were free to disclose their sexuality and their sexual exploits for all the world to hear, while gay people were forced not only to remain silent, but also to refrain from actions within the privacy of their own bedroom.

So I actually think don't ask don't tell is the right policy today.

Never mind that it was unconstitutional, right? Also never mind that the phrase "Don't ask, don't tell" was a complete misnomer. I don't think you actually know anything about DADT other than the name.

I also believe in the future it won't be as disruptive as it is today because societal attitudes are changing and probably in my lifetime the military will change the rule on it's own.

The military cannot change laws enacted by Congress. So saying that the military will change the rule its own is like saying the military will lead itself without the President. It does not have that authority to so do. And lets be honest about what disrupts military actions. Attacks from enemies, having bases bombed, ships getting sunk, having terrorists shooting AK47s at you....that's the kind of thing that disrupts the military. Government shut downs that stop soldiers' pay disrupts the military. Two boys holding hands does not.

But I see no reason gays need to say they are gay no matter how much you want them to. If you want to argue with me, argue my view.

You keep painting this false dilemma. You're trying to make the issue out to be that Congress has enacted a law that requires billboards to go up, or requires all gay service members to make a speech professing their sexuality. That has not happened. Until you can be honest with your "view" there's nothing to argue. You're looking a horse in the face and calling "WOLF!" The glaring failings of your "view" speaks themselves itselves.

 

[gekaap]

You know what? When I make a statement, don't try to analyze it or read into it. I say exactly what i mean. You are trying real hard to make me say things that I didn't say or mean. Ever heard the term KISS? Keep it simple, stupid.

I'm not reading into anything. I'm criticizing exactly what you've said. The fact that what you are saying has consequences is not my fault. You've said it, so own it.

 

[kaz]

Okay, good. We've moved on past the BS of espionage

I made the same argument the whole time. The end of the BS is your actually reading it. And dumb ass, I said espionage was an example in support of gays being allowed to be in the military.

You keep stating that it's Unconstitutional to prohibit gays from military service. Where does it say that? I've asked you that before to no answer.

As for the rest, I support don't ask don't tell, I'm not interested in running your rat holes that don't change that.

 

[gekaap]

show me wrong, don't play word games.

Actually, YOU still have to show that HIV is even prevalent in the military, much less that gay service members have any significant likelihood to be HIV positive over straight service members.

 

[slukasiewski]

Why the hell do people keep trying to compare gays with Blacks?

I'm sorry to inform you that one is a racist problem (Yes there is still racism out there) and the other is a cultural problem. (To say it one way)

At any rate there is no comparison.

And don't give me all the BS I've heard all the arguments, they do not match.

Same arguments were used in the late 40's

- it will ruin morale
- we will lose good people
- I do not want to shower with blacks
- let the military decide for themselves

Your right to serve your country should not be restricted because of the prejudices of others

When/Where did you ever serve.

Nevermind.

Never, is my guess.

Good - than STFU regarding military issues, stupid.

 

[gekaap]

When/Where did you ever serve.

Nevermind.

Never, is my guess.

Good - than STFU regarding military issues, stupid.

OMG, I've seen the light. Through your ears, that is.

 

[rightwinger]

Why the hell do people keep trying to compare gays with Blacks?

I'm sorry to inform you that one is a racist problem (Yes there is still racism out there) and the other is a cultural problem. (To say it one way)

At any rate there is no comparison.

And don't give me all the BS I've heard all the arguments, they do not match.

Same arguments were used in the late 40's

- it will ruin morale
- we will lose good people
- I do not want to shower with blacks
- let the military decide for themselves

Your right to serve your country should not be restricted because of the prejudices of others

When/Where did you ever serve.

Nevermind.

Never, is my guess.

Good - than STFU regarding military issues, stupid.

Excuse me....do you have a point to make Trollski?

 

[slukasiewski]

Same arguments were used in the late 40's

- it will ruin morale
- we will lose good people
- I do not want to shower with blacks
- let the military decide for themselves

Your right to serve your country should not be restricted because of the prejudices of others

When/Where did you ever serve.

Nevermind.

Never, is my guess.

Good - than STFU regarding military issues, stupid.

Excuse me....do you have a point to make Trollski?

Sure - keep your failed-to-serve nose out of military issues.

Got it - stupid?

 

[rightwinger]

When/Where did you ever serve.

Nevermind.

Never, is my guess.

Good - than STFU regarding military issues, stupid.

Excuse me....do you have a point to make Trollski?

Sure - keep your failed-to-serve nose out of military issues.

Got it - stupid?

Why?
What right does a racist message board troll have to comment on the military?

You are a prime example of why we Should not listen to the opinions of ex-military.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I said AIDS is primarily a gay disease with the exception of drug users, show me wrong,...

1. Actually AIDS is not a gay disease, HIV (the virus causing AID) is just that - a virus. It will infect a person just as easily if they are heterosexual or homosexuals. It doesn't "care" who it infects, it doesn't "target" homosexuals. A person becomes infected through unprotected sex with an infected person or through the transmission of bodily fluids outside of sex.

2. The HIV virus didn't start in North American, it started in Africa and spread around the world.

3. There are approximately 0.5-0.6% of the North American population (primarily male homosexuals) with HIV (~1.5 Million), in Sub-Saharan Africa the infection rate is 5.0% with 22.5 Million cases and the population is primarily heterosexuals. In other words about 68% of those with HIV are in Sub-Saharan Africa and it has primarily infected heterosexuals.

4. As a backup to the first source, the CIA even publishes lists of HIV rates and you can clearly see the highest rates are in African countries.

Worldwide AIDS & HIV Statistics
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2155rank.html


>>>>

 

[gautama]

I said AIDS is primarily a gay disease with the exception of drug users, show me wrong,...

1. Actually AIDS is not a gay disease, HIV (the virus causing AID) is just that - a virus. It will infect a person just as easily if they are heterosexual or homosexuals. It doesn't "care" who it infects, it doesn't "target" homosexuals. A person becomes infected through unprotected sex with an infected person or through the transmission of bodily fluids outside of sex.

2. The HIV virus didn't start in North American, it started in Africa and spread around the world.

3. There are approximately 0.5-0.6% of the North American population (primarily male homosexuals) with HIV (~1.5 Million), in Sub-Saharan Africa the infection rate is 5.0% with 22.5 Million cases and the population is primarily heterosexuals. In other words about 68% of those with HIV are in Sub-Saharan Africa and it has primarily infected heterosexuals.

4. As a backup to the first source, the CIA even publishes lists of HIV rates and you can clearly see the highest rates are in African countries.

Worldwide AIDS & HIV Statistics
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2155rank.html


>>>>

WorldWatcher,

The key comment in your post with regards to the MILITARY/QUEER issue in the post is this:

"There are approximately 0.5-0.6% of the North American population (primarily male homosexuals) with HIV (~1.5 Million)."

Hence, the Military, if given a choice, without smokescreened by the Obamarrhoidal Queer PC and thus Military edict, would logically prefer to have the Nation's overwhelmingly larger population of ******* queers NOT bleed on them in the event of wounds and infect them ....... which is a salient factor in time of war !!!

 

[gekaap]

Hence, the Military, if given a choice, without smokescreened by the Obamarrhoidal Queer PC and thus Military edict, would logically prefer to have the Nation's overwhelmingly larger population of ******* queers NOT bleed on them in the event of wounds and infect them ....... which is a salient factor in time of war !!!

And yet, all you homophobes continue to refuse to provide any evidence that gay people in the military have any significant rate of HIV infection in comparison to heterosexuals in the military. One of the main reasons that HIV spreads through sexual contact is that people do not get tested, and so they don't even know they have the disease when they spread it. On the other hand, people joining the military are immediately screened for HIV, and are screened on a regular basis.

Furthermore, all of this talk about HIV rates in gay MEN ignores the issue of gay women in the military. Even if this HIV argument were given any merit, will you homophobes agree that at least gay women should be allowed to openly serve?