The Tish'aa Be'av fasting is TONIGHT.

[ima]

Ain't religion wonderful?

you have something against religion in general? it is the inspiration of MOST poetry and art and music Religion is an aspect of the human condition ----humans see it that way

Religion is a way of splitting up and isolating people into little groups, and then are all taught to hate and/or kill all the other groups. And it's really only based make believe stories written by people who were afraid of the sky and had barely just invented the wheel.

 

[irosie91]

Ain't religion wonderful?

you have something against religion in general? it is the inspiration of MOST poetry and art and music Religion is an aspect of the human condition ----humans see it that way

Religion is a way of splitting up and isolating people into little groups, and then are all taught to hate and/or kill all the other groups. And it's really only based make believe stories written by people who were afraid of the sky and had barely just invented the wheel.

when you grow up and develope a brain------you will be able to think

 

[ima]

you have something against religion in general? it is the inspiration of MOST poetry and art and music Religion is an aspect of the human condition ----humans see it that way

Religion is a way of splitting up and isolating people into little groups, and then are all taught to hate and/or kill all the other groups. And it's really only based make believe stories written by people who were afraid of the sky and had barely just invented the wheel.

when you grow up and develope a brain------you will be able to think

Which part of my statement can you refute? Any of it? Or is all you can come up with are misspelled insults?

 

[irosie91]

Religion is a way of splitting up and isolating people into little groups, and then are all taught to hate and/or kill all the other groups. And it's really only based make believe stories written by people who were afraid of the sky and had barely just invented the wheel.

when you grow up and develope a brain------you will be able to think

Which part of my statement can you refute? Any of it? Or is all you can come up with are misspelled insults?

Your statement "Religion is a way of splitting up and isolating people into little groups, and then are all taught to hate and/or kill all the other groups." is childish and idiotic. It implies a PLAN in which some diabolical persons with imperialist ambition DEVISE ways to divide people into warring parties by INVENTING RELIGIONS. While various ideologies have been USED by such ambitious people-----religion itself developes like literature and art as a manifestation of man's reaction to his reality. Hinduism is a good example----it reflects a social need to create ECONOMIC ORDER in the society. Lots of religious custom and law involves food and its distribution------which is a social survival issue. Lots of religious custom and law involves ---authority. another social survival issue. Religion is far more a SURVIVAL mechanism than one of war

 

[ima]

when you grow up and develope a brain------you will be able to think

Which part of my statement can you refute? Any of it? Or is all you can come up with are misspelled insults?

Your statement "Religion is a way of splitting up and isolating people into little groups, and then are all taught to hate and/or kill all the other groups." is childish and idiotic. It implies a PLAN in which some diabolical persons with imperialist ambition DEVISE ways to divide people into warring parties by INVENTING RELIGIONS. While various ideologies have been USED by such ambitious people-----religion itself developes like literature and art as a manifestation of man's reaction to his reality. Hinduism is a good example----it reflects a social need to create ECONOMIC ORDER in the society. Lots of religious custom and law involves food and its distribution------which is a social survival issue. Lots of religious custom and law involves ---authority. another social survival issue. Religion is far more a SURVIVAL mechanism than one of war

Hindus have a caste system, your argument is laughable. They separate people in their own religion and look down on the lower castes!!!!!! Also, most wars are religion based, especially these days. And religions are ALL based on myths and bullshit, with absolutely no proof at all of what they claim or the stories they based it all on.

 

[irosie91]

Which part of my statement can you refute? Any of it? Or is all you can come up with are misspelled insults?

Your statement "Religion is a way of splitting up and isolating people into little groups, and then are all taught to hate and/or kill all the other groups." is childish and idiotic. It implies a PLAN in which some diabolical persons with imperialist ambition DEVISE ways to divide people into warring parties by INVENTING RELIGIONS. While various ideologies have been USED by such ambitious people-----religion itself developes like literature and art as a manifestation of man's reaction to his reality. Hinduism is a good example----it reflects a social need to create ECONOMIC ORDER in the society. Lots of religious custom and law involves food and its distribution------which is a social survival issue. Lots of religious custom and law involves ---authority. another social survival issue. Religion is far more a SURVIVAL mechanism than one of war

Hindus have a caste system, your argument is laughable. They separate people in their own religion and look down on the lower castes!!!!!! Also, most wars are religion based, especially these days. And religions are ALL based on myths and bullshit, with absolutely no proof at all of what they claim or the stories they based it all on.

Your response is typically shallow I referred to hinduism as a religion which functions to ORGANIZE SOCIETY Caste systems are very common-----and were VERY VERY COMMON in the ancient world regardless of the "religion" -----often having nothing to do with the "religion" AS to the caste system-----it functioned as a means of transmitting and stabalizing SKILLS on ancient India. Whole groups were assigned particular JOBS in the society which they inherited A "logical" concept that the best way to keep things stable would be to let the SAME PEOPLE grow up with the same jobs-----thus the wife of a merchant grew up in the home of a merchant. The wife of a soldier grew up in the home of a soldier. etc etc --------the less attractive aspects of the caste system grew out of CONQUEST in which the conquorors took over a role as the HIGHEST CASTE in order to maintain rule. The whole system got debased over time. Interestingly enough----Pakistan has what amounts to a caste system too. as do several north african islamic lands Of course english society is probably the MOST CASTE CRAP OF ALL The definition of caste includes "those allowed to marry each other"


another interesting factoid is that the ancient Mesopotamian system also included a CASTE SYSTEM which was very important in law. Penalties for killing people of high caste were harsher than penalties for killing a person of low caste----ALSO penalities IMPOSED on persons of low caste were harsher than those imposed on high caste people for the same crime. Shariah law retains some vestiges of this system. The monetary value of the LIVE OF A MUSLIM MALE----is FOUR TIMES THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE LIFE OF A NON MUSLIM male and EIGHT TIMES THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE LIFE OF NON MUSLIM FEMALE Is that not interesting? equality in TORT LAW-----is an issue in the first book of the torah------a reaction to the mesopotamian system

 

[Hossfly]

Which part of my statement can you refute? Any of it? Or is all you can come up with are misspelled insults?

Your statement "Religion is a way of splitting up and isolating people into little groups, and then are all taught to hate and/or kill all the other groups." is childish and idiotic. It implies a PLAN in which some diabolical persons with imperialist ambition DEVISE ways to divide people into warring parties by INVENTING RELIGIONS. While various ideologies have been USED by such ambitious people-----religion itself developes like literature and art as a manifestation of man's reaction to his reality. Hinduism is a good example----it reflects a social need to create ECONOMIC ORDER in the society. Lots of religious custom and law involves food and its distribution------which is a social survival issue. Lots of religious custom and law involves ---authority. another social survival issue. Religion is far more a SURVIVAL mechanism than one of war

Hindus have a caste system, your argument is laughable. They separate people in their own religion and look down on the lower castes!!!!!! Also, most wars are religion based, especially these days. And religions are ALL based on myths and bullshit, with absolutely no proof at all of what they claim or the stories they based it all on.

You're right about the caste system. If you work for a large corporation at a low level and are required to wear a suit and tie, show up for work one day in a 3-piece business suit and see what happens.

 

[MrAlwaysRight]

Superstitious mumbo-jumbo, having NOTHING to do with the Torah/word of G-d!

History of the observance

In the long period which is reflected in Talmudic literature the observance of the Ninth Day of Av assumed a character of constantly growing sadness and asceticism. By the end of the second century or at the beginning of the third, the celebration of the day had lost much of its gloom. Rabbi Judah ha-Nasi was in favor of abolishing it altogether or, according to another version, of lessening its severity when the fast has been postponed from Saturday to Sunday (Talmud, Tractate Megillah 5b).

The growing strictness in the observance of mourning customs in connection with the Ninth Day of Av became pronounced in post-Talmudic times, and particularly in the darkest period of Jewish history, from the fifteenth century to the eighteenth.

Maimonides (twelfth century), in his Mishneh Torah, says that the restrictions as to the eating of meat and the drinking of wine refer only to the last meal before fasting on the Eighth Day of Av, if taken after noon, but before noon anything may be eaten (Hilchoth Ta'anith 5:8). Rabbi Moses of Coucy (thirteenth century) wrote that it is the universal custom to refrain from meat and wine during the whole day preceding the Ninth of Av (Sefer Mitzvoth ha-Gadol, Venice ed., Laws of Tishah B'Av, 249b). Rabbi Joseph Caro (sixteenth century) says some are accustomed to abstain from meat and wine from the beginning of the week in which the Ninth Day of Av falls; and still others abstain throughout the three weeks from the Seventeenth of Tammuz (Shulkhan Arukh, Orach Chayim 551).

A gradual extension of prohibitions can be traced in the abstention from marrying at this season and in other signs of mourning. So Rabbi Moses of Coucy says that some do not use the tefillin ("phylacteries") on the Ninth Day of Av, a custom which later was universally observed (it is now postponed until the afternoon). In this manner all customs originally designated as marks of unusual piety finally became the rule for all. (Wikipedia)

 

[irosie91]

So? the ninth of the month of Av is an observance of sublime spirituality -----its most important feature is its community recitation of elegant and stirring poetry which reflects that history and COMMUNITY of jews thruout the world . You would not understand. An important feature of "the ninth of Av" is the fact that it has NEVER been associated with the depravity and terrrorism that so delights you. In fact-----The holiday is so devoted to sprituality and none of the criminality you so love -----that I doubt that more than 1% of the american population ever heard of it-------even in areas where there are lots of jews

 

[Hossfly]

Superstitious mumbo-jumbo, having NOTHING to do with the Torah/word of G-d!

History of the observance

In the long period which is reflected in Talmudic literature the observance of the Ninth Day of Av assumed a character of constantly growing sadness and asceticism. By the end of the second century or at the beginning of the third, the celebration of the day had lost much of its gloom. Rabbi Judah ha-Nasi was in favor of abolishing it altogether or, according to another version, of lessening its severity when the fast has been postponed from Saturday to Sunday (Talmud, Tractate Megillah 5b).

The growing strictness in the observance of mourning customs in connection with the Ninth Day of Av became pronounced in post-Talmudic times, and particularly in the darkest period of Jewish history, from the fifteenth century to the eighteenth.

Maimonides (twelfth century), in his Mishneh Torah, says that the restrictions as to the eating of meat and the drinking of wine refer only to the last meal before fasting on the Eighth Day of Av, if taken after noon, but before noon anything may be eaten (Hilchoth Ta'anith 5:8). Rabbi Moses of Coucy (thirteenth century) wrote that it is the universal custom to refrain from meat and wine during the whole day preceding the Ninth of Av (Sefer Mitzvoth ha-Gadol, Venice ed., Laws of Tishah B'Av, 249b). Rabbi Joseph Caro (sixteenth century) says some are accustomed to abstain from meat and wine from the beginning of the week in which the Ninth Day of Av falls; and still others abstain throughout the three weeks from the Seventeenth of Tammuz (Shulkhan Arukh, Orach Chayim 551).

A gradual extension of prohibitions can be traced in the abstention from marrying at this season and in other signs of mourning. So Rabbi Moses of Coucy says that some do not use the tefillin ("phylacteries") on the Ninth Day of Av, a custom which later was universally observed (it is now postponed until the afternoon). In this manner all customs originally designated as marks of unusual piety finally became the rule for all. (Wikipedia)

Since Mr. Always Wrong is on his way toward becoming a Torah and Talmud scholar, I wonder if he is going to spend as much time being a Koran scholar. Perhaps he can tell any Muslims on this board that everything they believe is just mumbo jumbo so why not give up things like Ramadan. I can just see him making the same pronouncements about the Koran like he does about the Torah and the Talmud in some Muslim countries.


jt2

 

[ima]

Your statement "Religion is a way of splitting up and isolating people into little groups, and then are all taught to hate and/or kill all the other groups." is childish and idiotic. It implies a PLAN in which some diabolical persons with imperialist ambition DEVISE ways to divide people into warring parties by INVENTING RELIGIONS. While various ideologies have been USED by such ambitious people-----religion itself developes like literature and art as a manifestation of man's reaction to his reality. Hinduism is a good example----it reflects a social need to create ECONOMIC ORDER in the society. Lots of religious custom and law involves food and its distribution------which is a social survival issue. Lots of religious custom and law involves ---authority. another social survival issue. Religion is far more a SURVIVAL mechanism than one of war

Hindus have a caste system, your argument is laughable. They separate people in their own religion and look down on the lower castes!!!!!! Also, most wars are religion based, especially these days. And religions are ALL based on myths and bullshit, with absolutely no proof at all of what they claim or the stories they based it all on.

Your response is typically shallow I referred to hinduism as a religion which functions to ORGANIZE SOCIETY Caste systems are very common-----and were VERY VERY COMMON in the ancient world regardless of the "religion" -----often having nothing to do with the "religion" AS to the caste system-----it functioned as a means of transmitting and stabalizing SKILLS on ancient India. Whole groups were assigned particular JOBS in the society which they inherited A "logical" concept that the best way to keep things stable would be to let the SAME PEOPLE grow up with the same jobs-----thus the wife of a merchant grew up in the home of a merchant. The wife of a soldier grew up in the home of a soldier. etc etc --------the less attractive aspects of the caste system grew out of CONQUEST in which the conquorors took over a role as the HIGHEST CASTE in order to maintain rule. The whole system got debased over time. Interestingly enough----Pakistan has what amounts to a caste system too. as do several north african islamic lands Of course english society is probably the MOST CASTE CRAP OF ALL The definition of caste includes "those allowed to marry each other"


another interesting factoid is that the ancient Mesopotamian system also included a CASTE SYSTEM which was very important in law. Penalties for killing people of high caste were harsher than penalties for killing a person of low caste----ALSO penalities IMPOSED on persons of low caste were harsher than those imposed on high caste people for the same crime. Shariah law retains some vestiges of this system. The monetary value of the LIVE OF A MUSLIM MALE----is FOUR TIMES THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE LIFE OF A NON MUSLIM male and EIGHT TIMES THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE LIFE OF NON MUSLIM FEMALE Is that not interesting? equality in TORT LAW-----is an issue in the first book of the torah------a reaction to the mesopotamian system

That's it, rant on and on about caste systems, because you can't counter my other point.

 

[High_Gravity]

Which part of my statement can you refute? Any of it? Or is all you can come up with are misspelled insults?

Your statement "Religion is a way of splitting up and isolating people into little groups, and then are all taught to hate and/or kill all the other groups." is childish and idiotic. It implies a PLAN in which some diabolical persons with imperialist ambition DEVISE ways to divide people into warring parties by INVENTING RELIGIONS. While various ideologies have been USED by such ambitious people-----religion itself developes like literature and art as a manifestation of man's reaction to his reality. Hinduism is a good example----it reflects a social need to create ECONOMIC ORDER in the society. Lots of religious custom and law involves food and its distribution------which is a social survival issue. Lots of religious custom and law involves ---authority. another social survival issue. Religion is far more a SURVIVAL mechanism than one of war

Hindus have a caste system, your argument is laughable. They separate people in their own religion and look down on the lower castes!!!!!! Also, most wars are religion based, especially these days. And religions are ALL based on myths and bullshit, with absolutely no proof at all of what they claim or the stories they based it all on.

I thought you were a Muslim?

 

[ima]

Your statement "Religion is a way of splitting up and isolating people into little groups, and then are all taught to hate and/or kill all the other groups." is childish and idiotic. It implies a PLAN in which some diabolical persons with imperialist ambition DEVISE ways to divide people into warring parties by INVENTING RELIGIONS. While various ideologies have been USED by such ambitious people-----religion itself developes like literature and art as a manifestation of man's reaction to his reality. Hinduism is a good example----it reflects a social need to create ECONOMIC ORDER in the society. Lots of religious custom and law involves food and its distribution------which is a social survival issue. Lots of religious custom and law involves ---authority. another social survival issue. Religion is far more a SURVIVAL mechanism than one of war

Hindus have a caste system, your argument is laughable. They separate people in their own religion and look down on the lower castes!!!!!! Also, most wars are religion based, especially these days. And religions are ALL based on myths and bullshit, with absolutely no proof at all of what they claim or the stories they based it all on.

I thought you were a Muslim?

Shows how un-perceptive you are.

 

[irosie91]

Hindus have a caste system, your argument is laughable. They separate people in their own religion and look down on the lower castes!!!!!! Also, most wars are religion based, especially these days. And religions are ALL based on myths and bullshit, with absolutely no proof at all of what they claim or the stories they based it all on.

I thought you were a Muslim?

Shows how un-perceptive you are.

For the record ---it was not me (irosie) who posted to Ima "I thought you were a muslim" ------ I did not think that Ima is a muslim-----He/she expressed itself in a manner with which I am familiar-----I grew up in a part of the USA that had been Bundist during world war II ---a small town that until a few years after world war II was still "restricted" ---I read the bundist literature as child----long before I knew the word "BUNDIST"

 

[ima]

I thought you were a Muslim?

Shows how un-perceptive you are.

For the record ---it was not me (irosie) who posted to Ima "I thought you were a muslim" ------ I did not think that Ima is a muslim-----He/she expressed itself in a manner with which I am familiar-----I grew up in a part of the USA that had been Bundist during world war II ---a small town that until a few years after world war II was still "restricted" ---I read the bundist literature as child----long before I knew the word "BUNDIST"

Bundist?

You're even less perceptive than High G.

 

[MrAlwaysRight]

Hey, Hoss- I certainly don't know as much about the Koran as you apparently do- so why not enlighten us? Or, mayhaps, standard (orthodox) Muslims can tell us.

PS- Don't EVER try to conflate the Torah with the Talmud. Two different things, entirely.

 

[MrAlwaysRight]

another interesting factoid is that the ancient Mesopotamian system also included a CASTE SYSTEM which was very important in law. Penalties for killing people of high caste were harsher than penalties for killing a person of low caste----ALSO penalities IMPOSED on persons of low caste were harsher than those imposed on high caste people for the same crime. Shariah law retains some vestiges of this system. The monetary value of the LIVE OF A MUSLIM MALE----is FOUR TIMES THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE LIFE OF A NON MUSLIM male and EIGHT TIMES THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE LIFE OF NON MUSLIM FEMALE Is that not interesting? equality in TORT LAW-----is an issue in the first book of the torah------ (Erosie)

Oops! How about this one?:
From Orthodox Jewish Education to Hebron; Scripture Distorted ...
The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia › COLLECTIONS › THEOLOGY
Mar 9, 1994 – "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail," said Rabbi Yaacov Perrin in his eulogy of Dr. Baruch Goldstein (news article, Feb. 28).

 

[Hossfly]

another interesting factoid is that the ancient Mesopotamian system also included a CASTE SYSTEM which was very important in law. Penalties for killing people of high caste were harsher than penalties for killing a person of low caste----ALSO penalities IMPOSED on persons of low caste were harsher than those imposed on high caste people for the same crime. Shariah law retains some vestiges of this system. The monetary value of the LIVE OF A MUSLIM MALE----is FOUR TIMES THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE LIFE OF A NON MUSLIM male and EIGHT TIMES THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE LIFE OF NON MUSLIM FEMALE Is that not interesting? equality in TORT LAW-----is an issue in the first book of the torah------ (Erosie)

Oops! How about this one?:
From Orthodox Jewish Education to Hebron; Scripture Distorted ...
The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia › COLLECTIONS › THEOLOGY
Mar 9, 1994 – "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail," said Rabbi Yaacov Perrin in his eulogy of Dr. Baruch Goldstein (news article, Feb. 28).

How pathetic!!! One of the anti-Semites bringing up this old Rabbi once again. This must be one of the important facts on the NeoNazi/IslamoFascist hate sites. The one who used to bring up this old Rabbi again and again was a Muslim woman on another board who wanted hundreds of millions of Hindus eradicated just so the Muslims could take over India. I think Mr. Always Wrong and this Muslim woman would have made great friends discussing this old Rabbi while the Muslims seem to be no respects of other religions in Muslim countries. Perhaps Mr. Always Wrong should do some research as to what these Muslims are doing to others instead of worrying what some old Rabbi said.



jt2

 

[Hossfly]

Hey, Hoss- I certainly don't know as much about the Koran as you apparently do- so why not enlighten us? Or, mayhaps, standard (orthodox) Muslims can tell us.

PS- Don't EVER try to conflate the Torah with the Talmud. Two different things, entirely.

I am far from the expert on the Quran as you are on the Torah and Talmud. I have never read a Talmud so I am not the scholar you are. About the Holy catalogue of shit-paper, you had better ask a Jihadist.

 

[Lipush]

another interesting factoid is that the ancient Mesopotamian system also included a CASTE SYSTEM which was very important in law. Penalties for killing people of high caste were harsher than penalties for killing a person of low caste----ALSO penalities IMPOSED on persons of low caste were harsher than those imposed on high caste people for the same crime. Shariah law retains some vestiges of this system. The monetary value of the LIVE OF A MUSLIM MALE----is FOUR TIMES THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE LIFE OF A NON MUSLIM male and EIGHT TIMES THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE LIFE OF NON MUSLIM FEMALE Is that not interesting? equality in TORT LAW-----is an issue in the first book of the torah------ (Erosie)

Oops! How about this one?:
From Orthodox Jewish Education to Hebron; Scripture Distorted ...
The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia › COLLECTIONS › THEOLOGY
Mar 9, 1994 – "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail," said Rabbi Yaacov Perrin in his eulogy of Dr. Baruch Goldstein (news article, Feb. 28).

"one million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail,"...

Yet *they* were the ones who made up the equation of 1027 Arabs= 1 Jew

So what are you blaming *us* for?