The three main goals of libertarianism

[RKMBrown]

There are hundreds of taxes in this country that are not based on income. Everyone pays taxes, this is a inescapable fact of life. This fact leads me to mock anyone who tries to argue that anyone does not pay taxes, that mocking manifested in me asking for actual examples from you. If you actually intended to argue that not everyone pays income taxes you should have restricted your argument to that claim.

What part of "not all people pay all taxes" is confusing you?

The part where you think that there is anyone in this country that does not pay taxes.

Where in my statement "not all people pay all taxes" do you derive your belief that I think that there are people in this country that do not pay any taxes?

Do I need to explain what the word all means? Do you disagree with my specific examples of the majority of people that do not pay personal income tax? How many additional examples of particular people that do not pay particular taxes do you need to see before you agree that "not all people pay all taxes?"

 

[JoeNormal]

Corporations are not living things. Corporations are groups of humans. Some humans would do the dumping you describe others would not. Just as some humans would demand redistribution checks funded through theft of their neighbors income. Some people are just plain scum of the earth, some a little better, some better than most.

"Corporations are people my friend." - Mitt Romney

Since he was making the point that raising taxes on corporations means raising taxes on people, he was right. Do you think corporate taxes are paid out of magic money?

No, I think that corporate taxes at least partially address the externalities that OhhPooPahDoo made reference to. If that raises the cost of the final product, it's still a more realistic price than it would have been without it.

 

[JoeNormal]

That's funny. if they intervened immediately they wouldn't have to analyze the blood spatter.

Cops do not prevent crime. Period.

As the old and true saying goes: When seconds count the cops are only minutes away.

In my case it's more like 30 minutes.

Dude, use your imagination a little. When I say they can intervene immediately in public, I mean if you're being accosted by some gang bangers in a public place, they can use deadly force if neccessary to protect you.

Tell that to all the people who get mugged every year.

The ******* cops cannot and do not protect you from crime.

Tell me what you think would happen if there were no police.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Dude, use your imagination a little. When I say they can intervene immediately in public, I mean if you're being accosted by some gang bangers in a public place, they can use deadly force if neccessary to protect you.

Tell that to all the people who get mugged every year.

The ******* cops cannot and do not protect you from crime.

Tell me what you think would happen if there were no police.

It wouldn't be much different. There wouldn't be as many speeding tickets or bullshit fines handed out because the main function of the cops is to act as a revenue collection arm of the state.

 

[JoeNormal]

Tell that to all the people who get mugged every year.

The ******* cops cannot and do not protect you from crime.

Tell me what you think would happen if there were no police.

It wouldn't be much different. There wouldn't be as many speeding tickets or bullshit fines handed out because the main function of the cops is to act as a revenue collection arm of the state.

What state do you live in? I'll try to remember not to go there.

 

[Bfgrn]

The ONE main goal of libertarianism: Sell out all of America to a small group of oligarchs.

Too bad you folks did a good job of selling us out to china and outsourcing tons of jobs overseas. Yes, Granny, our corporate taxes are the highest in the world. Who in their right minds would want to set up shop here, and employ people when they would never be able to survive the pressure of our business environment?

The main goal of liberalism is to tax the rich out of existence, make everyone prosper the same, equality in everyone and everything. Forgive me, but you people sound more like a bunch of utiopianists. You have more to do with communism and socialism than you do with capitalism. It's written all over your party's platform.

President Obama proposed lowering the corporate tax rates. But corporations oppose it. Why? Because there are so many loopholes in the law they end up paying a lot less or nothing. Obama proposed lowering the rate and closing the loopholes.

If you REALLY want to help out every corporation and business in America, libertarians would support a government run single payer healthcare system and end the employer based private insurance scam where insurance corporations are totally controlled by Wall Street investors.

Here is a former CEO who ran corporations...

2007

Health care: an issue that cries out for leadership.

Health care in this country is in shambles. At a cost of almost $12,000 a year for the average family, the system is bankrupting families and it's bankrupting companies - specifically my old industry. Take General Motors. They're currently paying out $1,525 per vehicle for health care. Compare that to the $201 Toyota is paying and it sounds even more absurd. And what about those families and individuals who can't afford insurance at all? Junior breaks his arm and all of a sudden, a fall off a bike is an $8,000 trip to the ER.

Despite all of this, none of our politicians will touch the issue. Oh sure, they'll talk about it during campaign season, but once the votes are cast, it's the forgotten issue again. The last time anyone proposed real reform was in 1993, and that plan went nowhere. Fourteen years later, Hillary Clinton's failed plan is still used as an excuse to continue ignoring the problem. That's disgraceful.

I suggest you listen carefully to the '08 candidates' "plans" for health care. Let's see if any of them have the political courage to really tackle it this time around. I don't want band-aid ideas either. I want concrete solutions - and I want to hold these guys to their promises.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Tell me what you think would happen if there were no police.

It wouldn't be much different. There wouldn't be as many speeding tickets or bullshit fines handed out because the main function of the cops is to act as a revenue collection arm of the state.

What state do you live in? I'll try to remember not to go there.

It doesn't matter all cops are the same and the speeding ticket business is a 6 billion dollar a year industry. That's why you see more cops sitting in their cars with radar guns than you do walking a beat.

 

[RKMBrown]

The ONE main goal of libertarianism: Sell out all of America to a small group of oligarchs.

Too bad you folks did a good job of selling us out to china and outsourcing tons of jobs overseas. Yes, Granny, our corporate taxes are the highest in the world. Who in their right minds would want to set up shop here, and employ people when they would never be able to survive the pressure of our business environment?

The main goal of liberalism is to tax the rich out of existence, make everyone prosper the same, equality in everyone and everything. Forgive me, but you people sound more like a bunch of utiopianists. You have more to do with communism and socialism than you do with capitalism. It's written all over your party's platform.

President Obama proposed lowering the corporate tax rates. But corporations oppose it. Why? Because there are so many loopholes in the law they end up paying a lot less or nothing. Obama proposed lowering the rate and closing the loopholes.

If you REALLY want to help out every corporation and business in America, libertarians would support a government run single payer healthcare system and end the employer based private insurance scam where insurance corporations are totally controlled by Wall Street investors.

Here is a former CEO who ran corporations...

2007

Health care: an issue that cries out for leadership.

Health care in this country is in shambles. At a cost of almost $12,000 a year for the average family, the system is bankrupting families and it's bankrupting companies - specifically my old industry. Take General Motors. They're currently paying out $1,525 per vehicle for health care. Compare that to the $201 Toyota is paying and it sounds even more absurd. And what about those families and individuals who can't afford insurance at all? Junior breaks his arm and all of a sudden, a fall off a bike is an $8,000 trip to the ER.

Despite all of this, none of our politicians will touch the issue. Oh sure, they'll talk about it during campaign season, but once the votes are cast, it's the forgotten issue again. The last time anyone proposed real reform was in 1993, and that plan went nowhere. Fourteen years later, Hillary Clinton's failed plan is still used as an excuse to continue ignoring the problem. That's disgraceful.

I suggest you listen carefully to the '08 candidates' "plans" for health care. Let's see if any of them have the political courage to really tackle it this time around. I don't want band-aid ideas either. I want concrete solutions - and I want to hold these guys to their promises.

Please tell me you are not citing to a guy who received tax payer funded corporate bail-outs only to then move production off-shore as an example of a guy tax payers should be listening to for health care advice.

 

[Bfgrn]

Too bad you folks did a good job of selling us out to china and outsourcing tons of jobs overseas. Yes, Granny, our corporate taxes are the highest in the world. Who in their right minds would want to set up shop here, and employ people when they would never be able to survive the pressure of our business environment?

The main goal of liberalism is to tax the rich out of existence, make everyone prosper the same, equality in everyone and everything. Forgive me, but you people sound more like a bunch of utiopianists. You have more to do with communism and socialism than you do with capitalism. It's written all over your party's platform.

President Obama proposed lowering the corporate tax rates. But corporations oppose it. Why? Because there are so many loopholes in the law they end up paying a lot less or nothing. Obama proposed lowering the rate and closing the loopholes.

If you REALLY want to help out every corporation and business in America, libertarians would support a government run single payer healthcare system and end the employer based private insurance scam where insurance corporations are totally controlled by Wall Street investors.

Here is a former CEO who ran corporations...

2007

Health care: an issue that cries out for leadership.

Health care in this country is in shambles. At a cost of almost $12,000 a year for the average family, the system is bankrupting families and it's bankrupting companies - specifically my old industry. Take General Motors. They're currently paying out $1,525 per vehicle for health care. Compare that to the $201 Toyota is paying and it sounds even more absurd. And what about those families and individuals who can't afford insurance at all? Junior breaks his arm and all of a sudden, a fall off a bike is an $8,000 trip to the ER.

Despite all of this, none of our politicians will touch the issue. Oh sure, they'll talk about it during campaign season, but once the votes are cast, it's the forgotten issue again. The last time anyone proposed real reform was in 1993, and that plan went nowhere. Fourteen years later, Hillary Clinton's failed plan is still used as an excuse to continue ignoring the problem. That's disgraceful.

I suggest you listen carefully to the '08 candidates' "plans" for health care. Let's see if any of them have the political courage to really tackle it this time around. I don't want band-aid ideas either. I want concrete solutions - and I want to hold these guys to their promises.

Please tell me you are not citing to a guy who received tax payer funded corporate bail-outs only to then move production off-shore as an example of a guy tax payers should be listening to for health care advice.

What Iacocca and Chrysler did or didn't do is totally irrelevant to the argument.

I am sure Iacocca has a very good grasp of how health care costs impact the auto industry and how a country like Japan is eating our lunch. And America's extremely high health care costs would be a HUGE incentive for American manufacturers to move production off-shore.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Yes, nothing screams individual liberty like forcing everyone into a govt. run healtcare plan.

 

[RKMBrown]

To: Bfgrn

Explain how you plan to force health care workers to provide you with health care for less money.

Explain how you plan to dump the cost of your health care onto my paycheck.

 

[JoeNormal]

It wouldn't be much different. There wouldn't be as many speeding tickets or bullshit fines handed out because the main function of the cops is to act as a revenue collection arm of the state.

What state do you live in? I'll try to remember not to go there.

It doesn't matter all cops are the same and the speeding ticket business is a 6 billion dollar a year industry. That's why you see more cops sitting in their cars with radar guns than you do walking a beat.

Have you ever been to New York? Not a radar gun to be seen. I think our cab hit about 85 going up 5th avenue.

 

[Bfgrn]

Yes, nothing screams individual liberty like forcing everyone into a govt. run healtcare plan.

Nothing screams "I am ignorant" more than so called 'libertarians' who are really just right wing turds supporting the private Wall Street run cartel that is the most expensive on the planet, and is near the bottom of the heap for all measurable outcomes.

But here is the real mantra of so called 'libertarians' who are really just right wing turds:

NEVER, EVER let common sense distract us from our doctrinaire, dogma and ideology.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

You are truly an ignorant ****, dude. Seriously.

 

[konradv]

You are truly an ignorant ****, dude. Seriously.

What's worse the occasional ignorant **** or the the delusions of grandeur libertarians develop by telling us they'll be able to fashion a new form of governance in complete opposition to human nature? Can anyone else see they're just the flip side of the Marxist coin?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

You are truly an ignorant ****, dude. Seriously.

What's worse the occasional ignorant **** or the the delusions of grandeur libertarians develop by telling us they'll be able to fashion a new form of governance in complete opposition to human nature? Can anyone else see they're just the flip side of the Marxist coin?

Your lack of intellectual prowess, though not shoocking, doesn't make any of the tripe you spew true, comrade.

 

[RKMBrown]

Yes, nothing screams individual liberty like forcing everyone into a govt. run healtcare plan.

Nothing screams "I am ignorant" more than so called 'libertarians' who are really just right wing turds supporting the private Wall Street run cartel that is the most expensive on the planet, and is near the bottom of the heap for all measurable outcomes.

But here is the real mantra of so called 'libertarians' who are really just right wing turds:

NEVER, EVER let common sense distract us from our doctrinaire, dogma and ideology.

I'll ask a second time. How do you plan to make American Health Care cheaper? How will government management of my health care dollars make my health care at my doctor cheaper?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Yes, nothing screams individual liberty like forcing everyone into a govt. run healtcare plan.

Nothing screams "I am ignorant" more than so called 'libertarians' who are really just right wing turds supporting the private Wall Street run cartel that is the most expensive on the planet, and is near the bottom of the heap for all measurable outcomes.

But here is the real mantra of so called 'libertarians' who are really just right wing turds:

NEVER, EVER let common sense distract us from our doctrinaire, dogma and ideology.

I'll ask a second time. How do you plan to make American Health Care cheaper? How will government management of my health care dollars make my health care at my doctor cheaper?

That's simple. The State is omnipotent, can forcast futures, innovate better than private enterprise and creates giant amounts of revenue through production.

 

[bripat9643]

You are truly an ignorant ****, dude. Seriously.

What's worse the occasional ignorant **** or the the delusions of grandeur libertarians develop by telling us they'll be able to fashion a new form of governance in complete opposition to human nature? Can anyone else see they're just the flip side of the Marxist coin?

The liberal theory that people need to be "governed" is what is delusional.

 

[bripat9643]

The source for your chart is a former propaganda arm of the the Soviet Union.

Also, the US healthcare system has far better outcomes that any of the systems you are comparing it against. That doesn't make Americans healthier than the citizens of other countries, however.

Yes, nothing screams individual liberty like forcing everyone into a govt. run healtcare plan.

Nothing screams "I am ignorant" more than so called 'libertarians' who are really just right wing turds supporting the private Wall Street run cartel that is the most expensive on the planet, and is near the bottom of the heap for all measurable outcomes.

But here is the real mantra of so called 'libertarians' who are really just right wing turds:

NEVER, EVER let common sense distract us from our doctrinaire, dogma and ideology.