The Tea Party

[tigerbob]

First of all, where was the Tea Party prior to 2008? It wasn't like the Federal Government during the Bush adminstration was "small government".

Secondly, my personal opinion of the Tea Party will go up significantly if they continue to operate with gusto during the next Republican Presidential Administration and during the next Republican controlled Congress.

Until I see that, the Tea Party is just an anti-Obama, anti-Democrat, pro-Republican organization.

Do you consider that the next Republican administration / Rep congress is likely to devolve power and curtail public spending, or do you think they will centralize and increase spending?

Well, considering that the last Republican POTUS and GOP Congress centralized and increased spending, what do YOU think?

Yeah, OK, but I was asking about the NEXT one. I know it's convenient to keep looking back over our shoulders to find rocks to throw, but I was asking about the NEXT admin. And it was a question to xotoxi, not you. I'm quite well aware of your attitude to anyone who has attended or supports the tea parties ("racist jerkoffs" I believe you described them as - sorry if I'm misquoting you), so given that animosity I'm not sure that attempting to answer your question is worthwhile. However...

I didn't live in America during the last administration, so I don't know whether your summation is fair or not. I guess it could be.

Historically, the Republican Party has been viewed as, generally speaking, the party of lower taxes and smaller government. Whether this view is accurate based on the record of the Bush administration is an interesting question.

If the next Rep admin is consistent with traditional Rep policy, it would not be a surprise to see lower spending and smaller governement, in which case the aims of the Tea Party movement (by which I mean the original stated aims) would have been realized.

However, I foresee difficulty in cutting taxes because of the legacy of debt that has been taken on, both by the former administration and the current one. As such, while I supported the original aims of the tea party movement, I think that the debt load that has now been taken on needs to be serviced somehow. It would therefore not be a surprise to me to see a future Rep admin not making any significant tax cuts.

If this is the case, then the Tea Party movement should continue (unless of course all tea partyers are economic pragmatists). As it is, I suspect the tea party movement will continue for the time being as the GOP can use it as a stick with which to beat the Obama administration.

But if a Republican POTUS is in office in 3 or 7 years time and he/she fails to cut taxes, then I think the Tea Party movement will still die away because it is heavily aligned with the GOP. The Rep administration will find it difficult to cut taxes in view of the debt that needs to be serviced and this will be used as the excuse for the demise of the tea party movement. The truth of course will be that the GOP would make the tea parties disappear whether there was additional debt to service or not.

That's a rather fumbled, stream of consciousness answer, because I had not really thought about it before (hence my question to xotoxi, who seemed to have considered it a bit more thoroughly).

Either way, I hope that answers your question about my views, assuming you were actually interested in the opinion of a jackoff racist.

 

[California Girl]

Tea Parties The Other White Meat:

Trying to read the tea leaves

These data points from the Center for Survey Research at the University of Washington released last week are pretty dismaying:

The Tea Party, the incipient movement that claims to be committed to reining in what they perceive as big government, appears to be motivated by more than partisanship and ideology. Approximately 45% of Whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement. Of those, only 35% believe Blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe Blacks are intelligent, and only 41% think that Blacks are trustworthy. Perceptions of Latinos aren’t much different. While 54% of White Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be hardworking, only 44% think them intelligent, and even fewer, 42% of Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be trustworthy.
Nate Silver looks over the numbers and notes:

Avid white tea party sympathizers do not even hold mainstream attitudes among whites. If we included the attitudes of non-whites, the views of white tea party sympathizers would be even more aberrant. Some conservatives believe there is a systematic attempt to demonize the tea party movement and their supporters. There is probably some truth to that. But in the same vein, aberrant opinions espoused by tea partiers or their sympathizers should neither be ignored nor papered-over.

Change of Subject: Trying to read the tea leaves

You really are smart enough to formulate your own thoughts, mo chara. You don't need a blog to tell you what to think.

 

[VaYank5150]

Tea Parties The Other White Meat:

Trying to read the tea leaves

These data points from the Center for Survey Research at the University of Washington released last week are pretty dismaying:

The Tea Party, the incipient movement that claims to be committed to reining in what they perceive as big government, appears to be motivated by more than partisanship and ideology. Approximately 45% of Whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement. Of those, only 35% believe Blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe Blacks are intelligent, and only 41% think that Blacks are trustworthy. Perceptions of Latinos aren’t much different. While 54% of White Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be hardworking, only 44% think them intelligent, and even fewer, 42% of Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be trustworthy.
Nate Silver looks over the numbers and notes:

Avid white tea party sympathizers do not even hold mainstream attitudes among whites. If we included the attitudes of non-whites, the views of white tea party sympathizers would be even more aberrant. Some conservatives believe there is a systematic attempt to demonize the tea party movement and their supporters. There is probably some truth to that. But in the same vein, aberrant opinions espoused by tea partiers or their sympathizers should neither be ignored nor papered-over.

Change of Subject: Trying to read the tea leaves

race card or get laid.. one's as good as the other.

Am I the only one left scratching my head on this response?

 

[California Girl]

how is giving statistics 'playing the race card'?

it does not say all tea folk are racist.

but it does make it clear that there is a really ugly undercurrent.

i know how facts trouble you sweetie. here... have an appletini on me so you can cope:

There's a kind of ugly undercurrent on your own side, too. They planted bombs in the '60s. They use race as a weapon, and shamelessly use minorities for their own ends. They spit on our military. They burn buildings and trash private property during the G8/G20 etc.

The moral highground is just as far away from the left as it is from the right.

I am kind of tired of this ridiculous claim of racism from people who don't have the courage to find out for themselves who the TEA partiers are.

 

[WillowTree]

how is giving statistics 'playing the race card'?

it does not say all tea folk are racist.

but it does make it clear that there is a really ugly undercurrent.

i know how facts trouble you sweetie. here... have an appletini on me so you can cope:

have you noticed the racism with the democrat party sweet cakes? and the anti semitisim?

 

[hboats]

how is giving statistics 'playing the race card'?

it does not say all tea folk are racist.

but it does make it clear that there is a really ugly undercurrent.

i know how facts trouble you sweetie. here... have an appletini on me so you can cope:

Sorry jillian, but when I read something that says "Avid white tea party sympathizers do not even hold......" I think that the person is talking about race. I'm not saying you're racist, but I don't have to read much farther than that to know that the original author of that piece that you linked to has some flawed views of "white tea party sympathizers."

Rick

 

[007]

First of all, where was the Tea Party prior to 2008? It wasn't like the Federal Government during the Bush adminstration was "small government".

Secondly, my personal opinion of the Tea Party will go up significantly if they continue to operate with gusto during the next Republican Presidential Administration and during the next Republican controlled Congress.

Until I see that, the Tea Party is just an anti-Obama, anti-Democrat, pro-Republican organization.

Why are you so vehemently against it? Are you for bigger government? Are you for out of control spending? Are you for ignoring the constitution? Are you for socialism? Are you for paying 70% of your income in taxes? That is what obama is for.

You're real good at purporting what your against, now how about you purport what you're for.

There's not much that I am for. I'm mostly against stuff.

So are you also against giving a straight answer? That's kind of chicken shit.

 

[xotoxi]

Why are you so vehemently against it? Are you for bigger government? Are you for out of control spending? Are you for ignoring the constitution? Are you for socialism? Are you for paying 70% of your income in taxes? That is what obama is for.

You're real good at purporting what your against, now how about you purport what you're for.

There's not much that I am for. I'm mostly against stuff.

So are you also against giving a straight answer? That's kind of chicken shit.

Okay.

Are you for bigger government? No.

Are you for out of control spending? Yes.

Are you for ignoring the constitution? No.

Are you for socialism? No.

Are you for paying 70% of your income in taxes? No.

That is what obama is for. No.

 

[WillowTree]

how is giving statistics 'playing the race card'?

it does not say all tea folk are racist.

but it does make it clear that there is a really ugly undercurrent.

i know how facts trouble you sweetie. here... have an appletini on me so you can cope:

There's a kind of ugly undercurrent on your own side, too. They planted bombs in the '60s. They use race as a weapon, and shamelessly use minorities for their own ends. They spit on our military. They burn buildings and trash private property during the G8/G20 etc.

The moral highground is just as far away from the left as it is from the right.

I am kind of tired of this ridiculous claim of racism from people who don't have the courage to find out for themselves who the TEA partiers are.

Best post of the day!

 

[007]

Are you for out of control spending? Yes.

Amazing. I won't even ask why. I don't even want to hear it. It wouldn't make sense to me anyway, and it's probably BS.

But what you've done otherwise is show you are FOR most everything the TEA PARTY is, yet all you can bring yourself to do is trash them.

Maybe you need a wake up call.

 

[xotoxi]

But what you've done otherwise is show you are FOR most everything the TEA PARTY is, yet all you can bring yourself to do is trash them.

Where have I trashed them?

 

[FrankieGA]

To answer the original question, The Tea Party movement was fueled in large part by the Fair Tax movement which has been going on and the first piece of legislation was introduced in July of 1999.
Albeit a much smaller movement the introduction of the largest increase in the Federal Deficit ever have finally helped the movement gain some traction in the Mainstream area.

Jillian, seriously that crap has been posted all over these message boards, we get it, all of the Dems, Left Wingers, Libs, think we are racist. Now bring a point to the discussion or just crawl back in the hole where you came from .

 

[Ravi]

To answer the original question, The Tea Party movement was fueled in large part by the Fair Tax movement which has been going on and the first piece of legislation was introduced in July of 1999.
Albeit a much smaller movement the introduction of the largest increase in the Federal Deficit ever have finally helped the movement gain some traction in the Mainstream area.

Jillian, seriously that crap has been posted all over these message boards, we get it, all of the Dems, Left Wingers, Libs, think we are racist. Now bring a point to the discussion or just crawl back in the hole where you came from .

If this is true then why not call them the Fair Tax Party? I think a lot more people would be on board, plus it wouldn't appear that y'all are just mindlessly protesting Obama.

 

[xotoxi]

To answer the original question, The Tea Party movement was fueled in large part by the Fair Tax movement which has been going on and the first piece of legislation was introduced in July of 1999.
Albeit a much smaller movement the introduction of the largest increase in the Federal Deficit ever have finally helped the movement gain some traction in the Mainstream area.

Jillian, seriously that crap has been posted all over these message boards, we get it, all of the Dems, Left Wingers, Libs, think we are racist. Now bring a point to the discussion or just crawl back in the hole where you came from .

If this is true then why not call them the Fair Tax Party? I think a lot more people would be on board, plus it wouldn't appear that y'all are just mindlessly protesting Obama.

If they were called the Fair Tax Party...THEN I could see how the name "teabaggers" would cause outrage.

 

[FrankieGA]

It was called the Fair Tax Movement for years, I mentioned how long in my other post, and it didn't gain much traction, throw the words Tea Party and people associate it with the Boston Tea Party, which was a protest, and wha la. People come on board and start looking into what is going on, and join in the formal protests, marchs on Washington, etc... I'd say its working quite nicely, its got all of the Dems, and Libs talking about it finally

 

[FrankieGA]

Oh and its only you guys that think we are "Mindlessly Protesting Obama"

 

[Ravi]

To answer the original question, The Tea Party movement was fueled in large part by the Fair Tax movement which has been going on and the first piece of legislation was introduced in July of 1999.
Albeit a much smaller movement the introduction of the largest increase in the Federal Deficit ever have finally helped the movement gain some traction in the Mainstream area.

Jillian, seriously that crap has been posted all over these message boards, we get it, all of the Dems, Left Wingers, Libs, think we are racist. Now bring a point to the discussion or just crawl back in the hole where you came from .

If this is true then why not call them the Fair Tax Party? I think a lot more people would be on board, plus it wouldn't appear that y'all are just mindlessly protesting Obama.

If they were called the Fair Tax Party...THEN I could see how the name "teabaggers" would cause outrage.

 

[Ravi]

It was called the Fair Tax Movement for years, I mentioned how long in my other post, and it didn't gain much traction, throw the words Tea Party and people associate it with the Boston Tea Party, which was a protest, and wha la. People come on board and start looking into what is going on, and join in the formal protests, marchs on Washington, etc... I'd say its working quite nicely, its got all of the Dems, and Libs talking about it finally

So it is just partisan bullshit. Big surprise.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

show me, then explain to me why it's so intolerable to libtard thinking that someone could be gasp "anti obamalama" don't you realize that million upon millions of people voted against the asshole?

And millions more voted for him. Isn't it neat how the election process works.

 

[hboats]

Tea Parties The Other White Meat:

Trying to read the tea leaves

These data points from the Center for Survey Research at the University of Washington released last week are pretty dismaying:

The Tea Party, the incipient movement that claims to be committed to reining in what they perceive as big government, appears to be motivated by more than partisanship and ideology. Approximately 45% of Whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement. Of those, only 35% believe Blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe Blacks are intelligent, and only 41% think that Blacks are trustworthy. Perceptions of Latinos aren’t much different. While 54% of White Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be hardworking, only 44% think them intelligent, and even fewer, 42% of Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be trustworthy.
Nate Silver looks over the numbers and notes:

Avid white tea party sympathizers do not even hold mainstream attitudes among whites. If we included the attitudes of non-whites, the views of white tea party sympathizers would be even more aberrant. Some conservatives believe there is a systematic attempt to demonize the tea party movement and their supporters. There is probably some truth to that. But in the same vein, aberrant opinions espoused by tea partiers or their sympathizers should neither be ignored nor papered-over.

Change of Subject: Trying to read the tea leaves

I looked a little closer at the results of this survey, and I must say, THEY ARE CRAP!!!!!!

Here are the full survey results

http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/mssrp_table.pdf

Now, they didn't survey Tea Party members, what they did is took a survey of 1,006 people in 7 states. The first question they asked is

Do you support the Tea Party Movement

They took the answers to this question and broke it down by

Whites: 23% Strongly Support, 22% Somewhat Support, 12% Somewhat Oppose, 13% Strongly Oppose, and 30% Don't know/Never heard

And Non Whites: 8% Strongly Support, 16% Somewhat Support, 13% Somewhat Oppose, 24% Strongly Oppose, and 38% Don't know/Never heard

Now, based on this first answer they then separated the remaining answers into the categories on the link I posted above.

So, they grouped the Strongly Approve and Strongly Oppose groups and asked them the race baiting questions.

In other words, they didn't ask Tea Party members, they asked non Tea Party members and imposed the results of these questions that were asked to Joe Blow on the street (or where ever the survey was done) on the Tea Party. So, these 1,006 random people of which only 23% of "whites" and 8% of "non whites" strongly approved of the Tea Party are supposed to represent the views of the Tea Party Movement?

Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Rick