The Tax Case Against Donald Trump

[CowboyTed]

You want proof the NY tax case against Trump is political? It's run by the New York politicians, not the state tax agency.

Nothingburger is a gross understatement.

Should be summarily tossed the minute it comes before a judge.

I underpaid my income taxes one year by mistake. The IRS sent me a letter. The DA did not arrest me. There is all the proof you need. Why did they wait 15 years to notify Trump???? The whole thing smells.

Did you wilfully run two sets of accounts , one real and another for the IRS... There is a difference betwen a mistake and another where you are covering up a crime... Covering up show intent of knowing and committing a crime.

 

[Skylar]

You want proof the NY tax case against Trump is political? It's run by the New York politicians, not the state tax agency.

Nothingburger is a gross understatement.

Should be summarily tossed the minute it comes before a judge.

I underpaid my income taxes one year by mistake. The IRS sent me a letter. The DA did not arrest me. There is all the proof you need. Why did they wait 15 years to notify Trump???? The whole thing smells.

Did you wilfully run two sets of accounts , one real and another for the IRS... There is a difference betwen a mistake and another where you are covering up a crime... Covering up show intent of knowing and committing a crime.

Yeah, the two sets of books really undermines the 'mistake' argument. Especially when the same assets were classified differently in each set. And have wildly different tax implications.

 

[bendog]

You want proof the NY tax case against Trump is political? It's run by the New York politicians, not the state tax agency.

Nothingburger is a gross understatement.

Should be summarily tossed the minute it comes before a judge.

I underpaid my income taxes one year by mistake. The IRS sent me a letter. The DA did not arrest me. There is all the proof you need. Why did they wait 15 years to notify Trump???? The whole thing smells.

Did you wilfully run two sets of accounts , one real and another for the IRS... There is a difference betwen a mistake and another where you are covering up a crime... Covering up show intent of knowing and committing a crime.

But does Vance actually have "two sets of books?" I think what he's got are documents where Weisselberg stated under oath some property was worth X and then in another said it was worth Y. THAT'S NOT WHAT WEISSELBERG'S being prosecuted for now, btw.

IF he is charged on that, then yeah a jury could "infer" he did it to cheat on taxes. But unless he flips, nothing legally implicates Trump.

 

[meaner gene]

I am sure you are also aware that assets can be placed into 15,000 different categories.

Of which most of them are mutually exclusive. You might conflate direct with differed compensation, but you can't call it a capital improvement.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

does Vance actually have "two sets of books?"

It is asserted in the Weisselberg indictment that he does. See: spreadsheet. That is an asserted fact that will have to be demonstrated in court.

 

[meaner gene]

But does Vance actually have "two sets of books?" I think what he's got are documents where Weisselberg stated under oath some property was worth X and then in another said it was worth Y. THAT'S NOT WHAT WEISSELBERG'S being prosecuted for now, btw.

There are indeed two sets of books. Weisselberg makes $970,000 a year. One set of books says he makes much less, but that decrease is offset by company expenses for tuition, company car, company apartment etc. whose total exactly matches the decrease in Weisselbergs W-2 salary.

 

[bendog]

But does Vance actually have "two sets of books?" I think what he's got are documents where Weisselberg stated under oath some property was worth X and then in another said it was worth Y. THAT'S NOT WHAT WEISSELBERG'S being prosecuted for now, btw.

There are indeed two sets of books. Weisselberg makes $970,000 a year. One set of books says he makes much less, but that decrease is offset by company expenses for tuition, company car, company apartment etc. whose total exactly matches the decrease in Weisselbergs W-2 salary.

It appears to be true that Weisselberg treated things like cars and tuition as "non income," while the Trump company expensed them as income, and Don personally signed the checks. Apparantly Trump inc didn't withhold tax or pay payroll taxes on the "perks." But so what? Weisselberg gets convicted, and he and Trump pay some money/fines

To get the Don, Vance has to get Weisselberg to say "Trump told me to put different values on property so he could get loans and avoid taxes."

 

[Indeependent]

You are not and never worked with an attorney, yet Trump is guilty.
Kewl…

I never worked for an attorney, yet I can read an indictment. And from what is laid out in the speaking indictment, it clearly shows a very high probability of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

I am sure you are also aware that assets can be placed into 15,000 different categories.

Indeed. But if you classify them in two different categories depending on if you're talking to the IRS or a lender......or give wildly different values for those same assets depending on if you're talking to the IRS or a lender, you could have a problem.

Maybe there's an Occultist on youtube who could explain this to you.

you could have a problem

could being the keyword.
I know tax accountants who won't touch the tax returns of certain Rs or Ds.
But only Rs bad.

 

[meaner gene]

It appears to be true that Weisselberg treated things like cars and tuition as "non income," while the Trump company expensed them as income, and Don personally signed the checks. Apparantly Trump inc didn't withhold tax or pay payroll taxes on the "perks." But so what? Weisselberg gets convicted, and he and Trump pay some money/fines

To get the Don, Vance has to get Weisselberg to say "Trump told me to put different values on property so he could get loans and avoid taxes."

Like in star wars, when Yoda spoke with Obi-wan Kenobe,

Obi-wan - That boy is our last hope
Yoda - No. There is another

Weisselberg wasn't the only financial guy at the Trump organization.

 

[jc456]

Tax fraud is illegal.

who committed fraud? show us.

 

[jc456]

Weisselberg wasn't the only financial guy at the Trump organization.

what did he do?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

you could have a problem

could being the keyword.

He was being obtuse. You WOULD have a problem, in that you would have committed a felony. Whether you pay the price or not is a different matter.

 

[Indeependent]

you could have a problem

could being the keyword.

He was being obtuse. You WOULD have a problem, in that you would have committed a felony. Whether you pay the price or not is a different matter.

I know lots of people who have been screwed by the IRS because they can't afford attorneys.
That's when you call Taxpayer Advocate 866-731-9282.

 

[jc456]

Then tell us where it shows that Trump kept two sets of books.

Already did. Re-read thread. Since you read the indictment, you already know anyway.

which post #?

 

[jc456]

you could have a problem

could being the keyword.

He was being obtuse. You WOULD have a problem, in that you would have committed a felony. Whether you pay the price or not is a different matter.

then why did he write could?

 

[Indeependent]

you could have a problem

could being the keyword.

He was being obtuse. You WOULD have a problem, in that you would have committed a felony. Whether you pay the price or not is a different matter.

then why did he write could?

Dramatic Effect.

 

[jc456]

You don't get to buy your employees cars and apartments and then not claim it as compensation.

who didn't claim it?

 

[bendog]

But does Vance actually have "two sets of books?" I think what he's got are documents where Weisselberg stated under oath some property was worth X and then in another said it was worth Y. THAT'S NOT WHAT WEISSELBERG'S being prosecuted for now, btw.

There are indeed two sets of books. Weisselberg makes $970,000 a year. One set of books says he makes much less, but that decrease is offset by company expenses for tuition, company car, company apartment etc. whose total exactly matches the decrease in Weisselbergs W-2 salary.

It appears to be true that Weisselberg treated things like cars and tuition as "non income," while the Trump company expensed them as income, and Don personally signed the checks. Apparantly Trump inc didn't withhold tax or pay payroll taxes on the "perks." But so what? Weisselberg gets convicted, and he and Trump pay some money/fines

To get the Don, Vance has to get Weisselberg to say "Trump told me to put different values on property so he could get loans and avoid taxes."

BUT EVEN IF VANCE CAN'T PUT TRUMP BEHIND BARS for personally telling Weisselberg to commit fraud by putting different values on the same property to avoid taxes ..... Vance can go after fines and back taxes on Trump Inc for faking tax data .... so long as a jury finds the books were cooked while Weisselberg kept them.

I'm not sure even the oligarchs will use Trump to launder their money through NEW casinos and golf courses anymore. Scotland can tee them up in a heartbeat. And he loses money there every year. Russia doesn't care ... for now. They put in a dollar and get change out. Would you take his money? Sure I'd like the IRS living in my ass for the next few years ... who wouldn't. LOL

Ivanka and the Boy Wonder are staying the hell outta the way.

He can't even sell condos.

That's why he keeps asking the mooks for money.

Imo this is all about a BIG SQUEEZE. If Vance can lock him up, I'm sure he'll be happy though

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I know lots of people who have been screwed by the IRS because they can't afford attorneys.

And neither the IRS nor any of them are part of the lawsuit against Weisselberg and Trump Org, both entities that most certainly can afford attorneys.

 

[jc456]

does Vance actually have "two sets of books?"

It is asserted in the Weisselberg indictment that he does. See: spreadsheet. That is an asserted fact that will have to be demonstrated in court.

so you have no idea? hmmmmmmm very interesting.