The Taliban Are On The Way...With 80 Billion In US Military Equipment!

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The only reason the crowd was so big outside the gate is the Taliban was stopping everyone from entering and checking the IDs of everyone, had the Taliban not been there, there would not have been a mob outside the gate and it would have been much harder for ISIS to do what they did.

There sure would have. The mob outside the gate had no tickets. Same for the mob inside the gate. So the ID part is irrelevant.

And the taliban and its sympathizers did not sprint from the mountains prior to taking Kabul in a day. They were already in and around Kabul.

The failure here was that of the Afghan Army.

 

[Crepitus]

You're such an idiot. People like you are the problem.

YOu just hate that I'm right.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The only reason the crowd was so big outside the gate is the Taliban was stopping everyone from entering and checking the IDs of everyone, had the Taliban not been there, there would not have been a mob outside the gate and it would have been much harder for ISIS to do what they did.

There was no legit reason for us to break our agreement, we should have left in May

Because of our discussion, I am going to go read up on this again.

 

[BS Filter]

YOu just hate that I'm right.

You're a fucking terrorist supporter.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Vehicles they don't know how to maintain and obsolete hand weapons mostly.

Meh.

What obsolete weapons are you talking about?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And the taliban and its sympathizers did not sprint from the mountains prior to taking Kabul in a day.

Correct, they methodically worked their way province by province from their stronghold in the mountains to Kabul, taking months to get there.

Had we left when we agreed to, they would have been half a country away...but we, the US, broke our part of the agreement

 

[the other mike]

You want to be a chick...

Intelligent ,articulate and with a pretty good sense of humor for someone who's recently been through as much as she has....loss of her husband and some health issues if I recall.

Not that it probably matters, your age is between you and I beautress
I can say I'm catching up fast though

 

[Moonglow]

Intelligent ,articulate and with a pretty good sense of humor for someone who's recently been through as much as she has....loss of her husband and some health issues if I recall.

Not that it probably matters, your age is between you and I beautress
I can say I'm catching up fast though

Are you like decelerating with Einstein's theory of relativity?

 

[Delldude]

So what is the OP complaining about Biden for?

Those weapons he left behind are showing up around the globe.

Are you saying if Biden had left 2500 troops there then other parties like the Taliban would not have gotten the weapons and equipment?

His Generals advised him to keep a presence in Afghan, much like Syria and several other areas. Biden chose to ignore their advice, therefore he owns the consequences of his actions.

Then the Afghan army retreated.

Collapsed

No, and you could not argue it or present any evidence of if if your life depended on it.

Too bad.....already proven.

Biden didn't leave them behind. They stayed past the very public deadline.

U.S. ‘left behind’ 78,000 Afghan allies in chaotic withdrawal: NGO report

The situation is increasingly perilous for Afghans with ties to the U.S. who were not evacuated when American troops left the country in August, the report says.

www.nbcnews.com

How Many Americans and Allies Are Left in Afghanistan? - FactCheck.org

On Aug. 18, President Joe Biden said if there were U.S. citizens left in Afghanistan on Aug. 31 who wanted to leave, "we're gonna stay to get them all out." But that's not what happened when the last U.S. soldier departed the country.

www.factcheck.org

And at 1/10 strength they would have accomplished the same thing, as the Afghan army was predetermined to surrender and not fight.

You said in a previous post they retreated.......they collapsed and surrendered, many were executed.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Those weapons he left behind are showing up around the globe.

From posts in this thread Trump left the weapons there because they were no longer ours. They were given to the Afghan forces. That is why he didn't pull equipment and weapons out as he withdrew troops.

His Generals advised him to keep a presence in Afghan, much like Syria and several other areas. Biden chose to ignore their advice, therefore he owns the consequences of his actions.

Yeah. Some generals did and some didn't. Troop levels were already below the levels needed to keep a small amount of troops there so if Biden did do that he would have had to redeploy some troops.

Collapsed

Too bad.....already proven.

U.S. ‘left behind’ 78,000 Afghan allies in chaotic withdrawal: NGO report

The situation is increasingly perilous for Afghans with ties to the U.S. who were not evacuated when American troops left the country in August, the report says.

www.nbcnews.com

How Many Americans and Allies Are Left in Afghanistan? - FactCheck.org

On Aug. 18, President Joe Biden said if there were U.S. citizens left in Afghanistan on Aug. 31 who wanted to leave, "we're gonna stay to get them all out." But that's not what happened when the last U.S. soldier departed the country.

www.factcheck.org

You said in a previous post they retreated.......they collapsed and surrendered, many were executed.

 

[beagle9]

Also a majority of fed employees hired since Obama have been Democratic Socialists.......remember all the hassles Trump had getting anything done through different departments?

Exactly right.... I must say one thing about it all, and that is that the Democrat's are a tight nit group of malicious little demonites . They got a plan, and they aren't letting anything stop them. It's just amazing how they created so many crisis in American culture over a long drawn out plan, and then they patiently exploited those crisis quite handedly.

 

[beagle9]

Those weapons he left behind are showing up around the globe.

His Generals advised him to keep a presence in Afghan, much like Syria and several other areas. Biden chose to ignore their advice, therefore he owns the consequences of his actions.

Collapsed

Too bad.....already proven.

U.S. ‘left behind’ 78,000 Afghan allies in chaotic withdrawal: NGO report

The situation is increasingly perilous for Afghans with ties to the U.S. who were not evacuated when American troops left the country in August, the report says.

www.nbcnews.com

How Many Americans and Allies Are Left in Afghanistan? - FactCheck.org

On Aug. 18, President Joe Biden said if there were U.S. citizens left in Afghanistan on Aug. 31 who wanted to leave, "we're gonna stay to get them all out." But that's not what happened when the last U.S. soldier departed the country.

www.factcheck.org

You said in a previous post they retreated.......they collapsed and surrendered, many were executed.

Fell just like the south Vietnamese did to the North.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Exactly right.... I must say one thing about it all, and that is that the Democrat's are a tight nit group of malicious little demonites . They got a plan, and they aren't letting anything stop them. It's just amazing how they created so many crisis in American culture over a long drawn out plan, and then they patiently exploited those crisis quite handedly.

Yes. Decades of conspiracy perpetrated by the Dems. Crisis after crisis caused by those dirty Dems. As a matter of fact, every bad thing that has happened in this country in the last century is all the Democrats fault.

If we could get rid of all Democrats America would be a utopia unrivaled in all the universe...but alas, it is not meant to be.

I just don't understand people who can't see the purity of the Republican party and how perfect they are in all aspects of both govenrment and personal lives.

I feel your frustrations of being part of a group that is always right, always virtuous, and always having a deeper understanding of the problems of America today.

 

[Delldude]

From posts in this thread Trump left the weapons there because they were no longer ours. They were given to the Afghan forces. That is why he didn't pull equipment and weapons out as he withdrew troops.

It was in the agreement to leave them for the crack troops in Afghanistan. Had nothing to do with Trump.

Yeah. Some generals did and some didn't. Troop levels were already below the levels needed to keep a small amount of troops there so if Biden did do that he would have had to redeploy some troops.

The generals recommended 2500 which, in their opinion, was enough. We have equal or less presences in other ME countries.

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/31/american-troops-middle-east-israel-palestine

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[Delldude]

Fell just like the south Vietnamese did to the North.

Read many comments on how it brought those memories back..........sad.

 

[Catsnmeters]

It was in the agreement to leave them for the crack troops in Afghanistan. Had nothing to do with Trump.

Except he left the stuff there...but agreed, it isn't his fault.

The generals recommended 2500 which, in their opinion, was enough. We have equal or less presences in other ME countries.

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/31/american-troops-middle-east-israel-palestine

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While I acknowledge your statement as fact...I think you posted the wrong link because it doesn't support your statement that I can see.

Again, not all generals made that recommendation and Biden was concerned leaving 2500 troops there would ultimately lead to further engagements with the Taliban and the need for more troops and eventually be right back where we were for years.

 

[Delldude]

Except he left the stuff there...but agreed, it isn't his fault.

It was the Doha Agreement.....Trump wasn't president when the equipment was 'left' there.

While I acknowledge your statement as fact...I think you posted the wrong link because it doesn't support your statement that I can see.

Maybe scroll down an look at the ME map with troop deployments?

Again, not all generals made that recommendation and Biden was concerned leaving 2500 troops there would ultimately lead to further engagements with the Taliban and the need for more troops and eventually be right back where we were for years.

The ones that mattered did.

Top generals told lawmakers under oath on Tuesday that they advised President Joe Biden early this year to keep several thousand troops in Afghanistan — directly contradicting the president’s comments in August that no one warned him not to withdraw troops from the country.

The remarkable testimony pits top military brass against the commander-in-chief as the Biden administration continues to face tough questions about what critics are calling a botched withdrawal that directly led to the deaths of 13 American service members, scenes of chaos at the Kabul airport, and the abandonment of American citizens and at-risk Afghans in the war-torn country.
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Gen. Kenneth “Frank” McKenzie, the commander of U.S. Central Command, told the Senate Armed Services in a hearing Tuesday that he recommended maintaining a small force of 2,500 troops in Afghanistan earlier this year.
He also noted that in the fall of 2020, during the Trump administration, he advised that the U.S. maintain a force almost double the size, of 4,500 troops, in Afghanistan.
In answering questions from Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) about his advice, McKenzie said he would not share his “personal recommendation” to the president.

But he went on to say that his “personal view,” which he said shaped his recommendations, was that withdrawing those forces “would lead inevitably to the collapse of the Afghan military forces and, eventually, the Afghan government.”
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McKenzie’s remarks directly contradict Biden’s comments in an Aug. 19 interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, in which he said that “no one” that he “can recall” advised him to keep a force of about 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.

During the interview, Stephanopoulos asked Biden point blank: “So no one told — your military advisers did not tell you, “No, we should just keep 2,500 troops. It’s been a stable situation for the last several years. We can do that. We can continue to do that”?

Biden answered: “No. No one said that to me that I can recall.”

Top generals contradict Biden, say they urged him not to withdraw from Afghanistan

Gen. Frank McKenzie said that he recommended maintaining a small force of 2,500 troops in Afghanistan earlier this year.

www.politico.com

 

[Catsnmeters]

It was the Doha Agreement.....Trump wasn't president when the equipment was 'left' there.

But he was there when he drew down the soldiers to levels that couldn't possibly get all that equipment back...which again, we had already given to the afghans.

Maybe scroll down an look at the ME map with troop deployments?

The ones that mattered did.

Top generals told lawmakers under oath on Tuesday that they advised President Joe Biden early this year to keep several thousand troops in Afghanistan — directly contradicting the president’s comments in August that no one warned him not to withdraw troops from the country.

The remarkable testimony pits top military brass against the commander-in-chief as the Biden administration continues to face tough questions about what critics are calling a botched withdrawal that directly led to the deaths of 13 American service members, scenes of chaos at the Kabul airport, and the abandonment of American citizens and at-risk Afghans in the war-torn country.
_______________________________
Gen. Kenneth “Frank” McKenzie, the commander of U.S. Central Command, told the Senate Armed Services in a hearing Tuesday that he recommended maintaining a small force of 2,500 troops in Afghanistan earlier this year.
He also noted that in the fall of 2020, during the Trump administration, he advised that the U.S. maintain a force almost double the size, of 4,500 troops, in Afghanistan.
In answering questions from Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) about his advice, McKenzie said he would not share his “personal recommendation” to the president.

But he went on to say that his “personal view,” which he said shaped his recommendations, was that withdrawing those forces “would lead inevitably to the collapse of the Afghan military forces and, eventually, the Afghan government.”
_________________________________
McKenzie’s remarks directly contradict Biden’s comments in an Aug. 19 interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, in which he said that “no one” that he “can recall” advised him to keep a force of about 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.

During the interview, Stephanopoulos asked Biden point blank: “So no one told — your military advisers did not tell you, “No, we should just keep 2,500 troops. It’s been a stable situation for the last several years. We can do that. We can continue to do that”?

Biden answered: “No. No one said that to me that I can recall.”

Top generals contradict Biden, say they urged him not to withdraw from Afghanistan

Gen. Frank McKenzie said that he recommended maintaining a small force of 2,500 troops in Afghanistan earlier this year.

www.politico.com

I already stated you were correct...I just didn't see it in your link.

The ones that mattered? Like Miley? Now he matters? Lol. He doesn't matter if he says something bad about Trump but now suddenly he said something that could hurt Biden and now he matters?

Regardless, it was a difficult decision with arguement to n both sides. Maybe it will work out for the best in the long run or maybe it won't.

Ultimately i am just glad we finally got out of there and in my opinion while both presidents made mistakes in the process, I give them both credit for ending our physical involvement in that decades long mess.

 

[Delldude]

But he was there when he drew down the soldiers to levels that couldn't possibly get all that equipment back...which again, we had already given to the afghans.

Then why do you keep crowing over a non-fact? Trump kept the levels at 2500 after listening to His generals....How'd Biden work out with his generals recommendations?
Notice the quote from the one general who told Biden if they withdrew, the Afghan army and gov't would collapse.....how'd that work out?

The ones that mattered? Like Miley? Now he matters? Lol.

Milley gave his recommendations to the CIC......that's it....end of discussion.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Then why do you keep crowing over a non-fact? Trump kept the levels at 2500 after listening to His generals....How'd Biden work out with his generals recommendations?

Trump ordered the complete withdrawal of all troops right after he lost the elections n so your point is moot.

Notice the quote from the one general who told Biden if they withdrew, the Afghan army and gov't would collapse.....how'd that work out?

Milley gave his recommendations to the CIC......that's it....end of discussion.

And other generals disagreed.

I would be willing to bet that if Biden had left 2500 troops there most trumpers would be saying that was a.stupid decision and he only did it so Trump's Doha Accords wouldn't be complete.