The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam

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One of the most resilient images of the Vietnam era is that of the anti-war protester — often a woman — spitting on the uniformed veteran just off the plane. The lingering potency of this icon was evident during the Gulf War, when war supporters invoked it to discredit their opposition.

In this startling book, Jerry Lembcke demonstrates that not a single incident of this sort has been convincingly documented. Rather, the anti-war Left saw in veterans a natural ally, and the relationship between anti-war forces and most veterans was defined by mutual support. Indeed one soldier wrote angrily to Vice President Spiro Agnew that the only Americans who seemed concerned about the soldier's welfare were the anti-war activists.

While the veterans were sometimes made to feel uncomfortable about their service, this sense of unease was, Lembcke argues, more often rooted in the political practices of the Right. Tracing a range of conflicts in the twentieth century, the book illustrates how regimes engaged in unpopular conflicts often vilify their domestic opponents for "stabbing the boys in the back."

Concluding with an account of the powerful role played by Hollywood in cementing the myth of the betrayed veteran through such films as Coming Home, Taxi Driver, and Rambo, Jerry Lembcke's book stands as one of the most important, original, and controversial works of cultural history in recent years.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/The-Spitting-Image-Memory-Vietnam/dp/0814751474]Amazon.com: The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam (9780814751473): Jerry Lembcke: Books[/ame]


hen, starting around 1980, members of the Vietnam War generation began sharing the tales, which Lembcke calls "urban myths." As with most urban myths, the details of the spat-upon vets vary slightly from telling to telling, while the basic story remains the same. The protester almost always ambushes the soldier in an airport (not uncommonly the San Francisco airport), after he's just flown back to the states from Asia. The soiled soldier either slinks away or does nothing.

One of the early vet-spit stories appears in First Blood, the 1982 film that was the first of the Rambo stories. John Rambo, played by Sylvester Stallone, claims to have been spat upon by protesters at the airport when he returned from Vietnam. "Protesting me. Spitting. Calling me baby killer," Rambo says. "Who are they to protest me?"

Newsweek repeats the myth of the gobbed-upon Vietnam vet.


revisionist history? the myth of being spit on.....

i know the hardships that returning veterans faced...the true ones caused by the lack of medical treatment etc....born on the 4th of july was more real than this spitting myth..

i have heard this claimed by so many...and i refute it ever chance i get....

as the book says there is not one picture of this happening...suddenly the press would not print this?
 
i am sorry to post this in the military forum ......and before the vets go nuts on me...consider this...my father did two tours....i have the flag with the bullets still in the three corners....i am not attacking i am simply state what i believe to be the truth about a horrible time in our history
 
I've know plenty of Vietnam vets.

Many lived in their own personal hells.

Not one of them mentioned "spitting".
 
I've know plenty of Vietnam vets.

Many lived in their own personal hells.

Not one of them mentioned "spitting".

I am a Vietnam vet 68-72 and I never saw spitting or had that done. when i came home on leave wereing my uniform ,(in NYC) and saw non of that or have anyone of my comrades tell me that happen to them , Dirty looks maybe , but that was it. revisionist crap is right
 
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I think the treatment Walter Kronkide and the Liberal Media gave the Vets was far worse than anyone spitting on them. After inflicting one of the most crushing defeats on an enemy after their Tet Offensive, the Liberal media actually said our guys lost and were liars for claiming victory.
 
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We refute every time the lies told by those who say vets were not spit on when returning from Vietnam.

I think we went through this late in the summer of 2009 on this board, and the OP was completely destroyed: (1) the methodology of the research for the OP was based on false hood that could not deny (2) the many corroborated instances of vets being spit on, (3) which overrides the statements of vets who said they did not see it.

Research the truth, gang. I already know it and have better things to do.
 
show me one of the corroborated instances .....go on....i will be waiting

This is the problem really. "Corroborated".

The biggest problem with that "Spitting Image" book is that it sets the bar so outrageously high that it is stupid. Unless it was captured on film or reported to the police, it never happened.

I have been spit at, had people chase me down the street yelling and swearing at me, and purposefully bumping into me. One happened in front of my wife at LAX as she was dropping me off for a flight.

But did I call the police on these loosers? Of course not, not worth the hassle.

Sorry, "Spitting Image" is a complete joke, and has largely been dismissed because of the ridiculous level of evidence that must be required, and tried to put the blame on veterans with PTSD.
 
The anti-war radicals were bombing recruiting centers, corporate headquarters and other symbols of capitalist society and Newsweek tries to tell us that Vets weren't spit on? The last bomb Bill Ayers and his scum anti-war revolutionaries were building was intended for Soldiers at a Ft. Dix dance.
 
One of the most resilient images of the Vietnam era is that of the anti-war protester — often a woman — spitting on the uniformed veteran just off the plane. The lingering potency of this icon was evident during the Gulf War, when war supporters invoked it to discredit their opposition.

In this startling book, Jerry Lembcke demonstrates that not a single incident of this sort has been convincingly documented. Rather, the anti-war Left saw in veterans a natural ally, and the relationship between anti-war forces and most veterans was defined by mutual support. Indeed one soldier wrote angrily to Vice President Spiro Agnew that the only Americans who seemed concerned about the soldier's welfare were the anti-war activists.

While the veterans were sometimes made to feel uncomfortable about their service, this sense of unease was, Lembcke argues, more often rooted in the political practices of the Right. Tracing a range of conflicts in the twentieth century, the book illustrates how regimes engaged in unpopular conflicts often vilify their domestic opponents for "stabbing the boys in the back."

Concluding with an account of the powerful role played by Hollywood in cementing the myth of the betrayed veteran through such films as Coming Home, Taxi Driver, and Rambo, Jerry Lembcke's book stands as one of the most important, original, and controversial works of cultural history in recent years.

Amazon.com: The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam (9780814751473): Jerry Lembcke: Books


hen, starting around 1980, members of the Vietnam War generation began sharing the tales, which Lembcke calls "urban myths." As with most urban myths, the details of the spat-upon vets vary slightly from telling to telling, while the basic story remains the same. The protester almost always ambushes the soldier in an airport (not uncommonly the San Francisco airport), after he's just flown back to the states from Asia. The soiled soldier either slinks away or does nothing.

One of the early vet-spit stories appears in First Blood, the 1982 film that was the first of the Rambo stories. John Rambo, played by Sylvester Stallone, claims to have been spat upon by protesters at the airport when he returned from Vietnam. "Protesting me. Spitting. Calling me baby killer," Rambo says. "Who are they to protest me?"

Newsweek repeats the myth of the gobbed-upon Vietnam vet.


revisionist history? the myth of being spit on.....

i know the hardships that returning veterans faced...the true ones caused by the lack of medical treatment etc....born on the 4th of july was more real than this spitting myth..

i have heard this claimed by so many...and i refute it ever chance i get....

as the book says there is not one picture of this happening...suddenly the press would not print this?

Revisionist history.

Just as there are no photos of the returning troops being spat upon, neither is there evidence these events did not happen.

Because it fits into the Leftist, Liberal, Progressive M.O. to try to erase their faults and flaws with a casual white wash or a re-writing of the facts or a clean sweep of the offensive evidence under the rug so as to allow themselves to blithely and non-chalantly carry on their wayward practices without a care or a second thought, what is very likely to be true is that this book is an attempt to revise what really happened.

Just as by championoing Barack Obama helps you guys attempt to wash your hands of your racist KKK, Jim Crow and Black pandering past, so does this book attempt to allow you to walk away from your shameful treatment of returning Viet Nam veterans.

You have a discernible pattern of behaviour and this falls in line with that pattern.

But, then again, there are no photos of it so it will be a push...neither side can post proof positive of their claims.

But we all know I nailed you.
 
the majority of Vietnam vets changed into civilian clothing to avoid this

they did catch one spittin' on an Iraq vet

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_-TBirrPiQ]Anti-War Protester Spits on Iraq War Veteran - YouTube[/ame]
 
the majority of Vietnam vets changed into civilian clothing to avoid this

they did catch one spittin' on an Iraq vet

Anti-War Protester Spits on Iraq War Veteran - YouTube

I remember that well, and would use it myself if you had not beaten me to it.

I get such crap all the time. Of course, some would say I ask for it because my jacket has nothing but military patches on it. US Flag and POW-MIA patch on each shoulder, my Division and Regimental patch on one side of the front, my Jungle Expert patch on the other. And on the back is a gigantic Marine Corps emblem.

Hard to miss actually. And when I replace my jacket in a few months (it is over 10 years old now and looks it), I am adding my Marine Battalion patch, and the 3 patches for the Army units I have served with.

And I constantly get crap for it. People following me on the street asking the expected crap ("How does it feel to kill babies?" "Do you like shooting unarmed women?" "How many medals did you get for killing civilians?", etc) at least 2 times a week. I have had them move over to purposefully bump into me, try to block my way so I could not pass, spit at, and called pretty much every foul name in the book (I still remember the cute blonde in the red convertible that yelled "Fascist" at me as she passed by).

I even had one lunatic follow me for over a mile at 60 mph, honking and flipping me the bird no more then 10 feet from the back wheel of my motorcycle. That is the one that scared me the most, and I remember that when I passed the car the back was literally covered with the usual anti-war stickers.

Of course, I also work in downtown San Francisco. And the people here are a bit more mentally damaged then in most of the country.
 
Former domestic terrorist Bill Ayers is typical of the legacy of Vietnam. It doesn't matter how Newsweek tries to downplay the anti-Military attitude of the generation.
 
the majority of Vietnam vets changed into civilian clothing to avoid this

they did catch one spittin' on an Iraq vet

Anti-War Protester Spits on Iraq War Veteran - YouTube

I remember that well, and would use it myself if you had not beaten me to it.

I get such crap all the time. Of course, some would say I ask for it because my jacket has nothing but military patches on it. US Flag and POW-MIA patch on each shoulder, my Division and Regimental patch on one side of the front, my Jungle Expert patch on the other. And on the back is a gigantic Marine Corps emblem.

Hard to miss actually. And when I replace my jacket in a few months (it is over 10 years old now and looks it), I am adding my Marine Battalion patch, and the 3 patches for the Army units I have served with.

And I constantly get crap for it. People following me on the street asking the expected crap ("How does it feel to kill babies?" "Do you like shooting unarmed women?" "How many medals did you get for killing civilians?", etc) at least 2 times a week. I have had them move over to purposefully bump into me, try to block my way so I could not pass, spit at, and called pretty much every foul name in the book (I still remember the cute blonde in the red convertible that yelled "Fascist" at me as she passed by).

I even had one lunatic follow me for over a mile at 60 mph, honking and flipping me the bird no more then 10 feet from the back wheel of my motorcycle. That is the one that scared me the most, and I remember that when I passed the car the back was literally covered with the usual anti-war stickers.

Of course, I also work in downtown San Francisco. And the people here are a bit more mentally damaged then in most of the country.

My military service wasn't as gruelling or dangerous as yours but all of us who donned the uniform gave some.

Unfortunately, some gave all.

I salute you and thank you for your service.

:salute:
 
I've know plenty of Vietnam vets.

Many lived in their own personal hells.

Not one of them mentioned "spitting".

I am a Vietnam vet 68-72 and I never saw spitting or had that done. when i came home on leave wereing my uniform ,(in NYC) and saw non of that or have anyone of my comrades tell me that happen to them , Dirty looks maybe , but that was it. revisionist crap is right

Well, I served from 72 - 75 and I never saw any place called Viet Nam, so that MUST mean Viet Nam never existed and CERTAINLY there was never a WAR that took place there!

Your claim of being a Vietnam vet must be revisionist crap!
 
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I lived through the last stages of the Vietnam war, My brother served in the war. I remember the hostility of the protesters, and this may be anecdotal. It was visceral, mean spirited and hateful. I was of that generation, we split on what it meant to support freedom, believe me. Friends of mine have names on that wall in DC. Not too many commemorations for the people that fled or supported the anti war effort. I shrug my shoulders. Hmm. But, perhaps, they needed a little courage to flee from the draft and the war and stand against a war nobody needed. Somewhere, there is the truth.
 
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i am just amazed that people are saying just cause there is no photo evidence doesnt make it untrue.....if you lived then you know the vietnam war and anything having to do with it....was on the nightly news...every night....we saw people being shot....children running down the street after being napalmed but not one damn shot of a protester spitting on a vietnam vet....like that would not be news? really?

it is just hard for some to give up their myths
 
The people who treated we returning VETS badly were not the HIPPIES but instead the WWII and KOREAN Vets.



Never met anyone who was spit on while in uniform.
 
it is just hard for some to give up their myths

It happened to me the last time about 2 months ago.

But sorry, I do not go around with cameras following me. And I doubt that most of us do, so why should it be recorded?

This is revisionist history at it's worst.

We have had numerous recruiting stations bombed over the years, yet until 2008 none had ever been caught on camera. Does that mean they did not happen either?

Now look at your own beliefs. How many things do you believe have no "photographic proof"? I bet tons of them.
 
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