The Sleeping Giant Is Awake: A Quiet States' Rights Revolution Is Happening...

[CrusaderFrank]

What effect do manufactured good strictly bought and sold at a state level have on interstate commerce?

Loonies on the left like to make up the law as they go along.

Wickard V Filburn....it's all interstate, all of it, even when it's not

 

[OriginalShroom]

What effect do manufactured good strictly bought and sold at a state level have on interstate commerce?

Loonies on the left like to make up the law as they go along.

Wickard V Filburn....it's all interstate, all of it, even when it's not

One of the worst decisions ever made by the SCotUS

 

[Fishlore]

Throughout our history it has been the right wing, the slave states if you will, that have championed "states' rights." Fundamentally, this is because federal power has been more supportive of the will of the majority of citizens, i.e. more left-democratic than state power in those Southern states with an entrenched oligarchy and high GINI index.

This goes back to the 3/5 compromise and has carried forward to this day in ideas like nullification, the Electoral College, the filibuster etc. etc. It would be nice to think the conflict is one of philosophy but the actual issues always seem to be the rich vs. the rest.

 

[OriginalShroom]

Throughout our history it has been the right wing, the slave states if you will, that have championed "states' rights." Fundamentally, this is because federal power has been more supportive of the will of the majority of citizens, i.e. more left-democratic than state power in those Southern states with an entrenched oligarchy and high GINI index.

This goes back to the 3/5 compromise and has carried forward to this day in ideas like nullification, the Electoral College, the filibuster etc. etc. It would be nice to think the conflict is one of philosophy but the actual issues always seem to be the rich vs. the rest.

Are you really that ignorant of American history?

 

[Dot Com]

This is true. States rights has been code for Jim Crow & voter suppression.

 

[OriginalShroom]

This is true. States rights has been code for Jim Crow & voter suppression.

:::::: Shaking Head ::::::

 

[paulitician]

whatever happened to :

I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration - Hillary Clinton

Did Democrats and Liberals stop believing that the moment Obama was sworn in?

Of course.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The half dozen red states, including Texas, would be conquered in the first sixteen minutes of their nationhood by the Mexican gang cartels.

In a futile attempt, your AG Holder will continue arming the Mexicans, but they are outmanned and outgunned and will be crushed

By the Texans? Frank, you don't know Texas at all.

 

[paulitician]

The tenth amendment:

10th Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the
Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved
to the States respectively, or to the people.

The states retain their power and the feds are limited to what powers are delegated by the constitution.
That is why we have the constitution - to protect our rights, as individuals and collectively as states.

The States are back. And it's about time. Big Brother has gone too far. This quiet Revolution really is a pleasure to observe. Didn't think i would ever see one like it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sure, Paulitician, sure. Just the way you were talking about everything that was going to happen good for the Rizzo Libertarians before the election. Take your pills, too, please.

 

[Dot Com]

The half dozen red states, including Texas, would be conquered in the first sixteen minutes of their nationhood by the Mexican gang cartels.

In a futile attempt, your AG Holder will continue arming the Mexicans, but they are outmanned and outgunned and will be crushed

By the Texans? Frank, you don't know Texas at all.

What DO you know about Texas Frank?

Sure, Paulitician, sure. Just the way you were talking about everything that was going to happen good for the Rizzo Libertarians before the election. Take your pills, too, please.

If i were a Libertarian i would never, NEVER vote Republican again after what they did at the last Repub convention

 

[Flopper]

Throughout our history it has been the right wing, the slave states if you will, that have championed "states' rights." Fundamentally, this is because federal power has been more supportive of the will of the majority of citizens, i.e. more left-democratic than state power in those Southern states with an entrenched oligarchy and high GINI index.

This goes back to the 3/5 compromise and has carried forward to this day in ideas like nullification, the Electoral College, the filibuster etc. etc. It would be nice to think the conflict is one of philosophy but the actual issues always seem to be the rich vs. the rest.

In the early years of the republic, the states right debate centered around the theory of state sovereignty because the states were sovereign under the Articles of Confederation. The debate was settle once and for all by the civil war.

In the 20th century states rights became the battle cry in the South in attempts to defend laws that discriminated against blacks. The civil rights act ended that battle.

Battles over illegal immigration, gay marriage, marijuana laws, and gun control promise more battles between federal and state government. Although, states will prevail on some issues, you can bet that the trend away from states rights that started over two hundred years ago will continue.

 

[Dot Com]

they aren't ready to secede (give up military base, subsidies, & national labratory $) so what is their next move?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What effect do manufactured good strictly bought and sold at a state level have on interstate commerce?

Loonies on the left like to make up the law as they go along.

Wickard V Filburn....it's all interstate, all of it, even when it's not

One of the worst decisions ever made by the SCotUS

Actually not.

Wickard, along with other Commerce Clause cases before and after, allowed for the formation of a modern American economy, ensuring the safety and fair treatment of workers in an ever increasing depersonalized and industrialized workplace, and ensuring consumers are not subject to shoddy or harmful goods and services by unscrupulous corporate entities.

Conservative/libertarian rejection of Commerce Clause jurisprudence is indicative of their ignorant, naïve reactionaryism, where they foolishly seek to realize an idealized American past that never existed to begin with, and jeopardize America’s future as a consequence of that opposition.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Throughout our history it has been the right wing, the slave states if you will, that have championed "states' rights." Fundamentally, this is because federal power has been more supportive of the will of the majority of citizens, i.e. more left-democratic than state power in those Southern states with an entrenched oligarchy and high GINI index.

This goes back to the 3/5 compromise and has carried forward to this day in ideas like nullification, the Electoral College, the filibuster etc. etc. It would be nice to think the conflict is one of philosophy but the actual issues always seem to be the rich vs. the rest.

Democrat states were the slave states.

Democrat Party was the KKK Party

LBJ "I'll have them ******* voting Democrat for the next 200 years" was a Democrat

 

[JakeStarkey]

The slave states were neo-libertarian, operating in the Democratic Party. When the "conscious Whigs" deserted the "slave Whigs" after 1852, the slave Whigs joined the neo-libertarian slave wing in the Democratic Party. When the "conscious Democrats" refused to support the slave wing any further in 1860, the Democratic Party shattered and the neo-libertarian slave wing of the southern Democrats brought on the Civil War.

Learn history, Frank.

 

[Dot Com]

The slave states were neo-libertarian, operating in the Democratic Party. When the "conscious Whigs" deserted the "slave Whigs" after 1852, the slave Whigs joined the neo-libertarian slave wing in the Democratic Party. When the "conscious Democrats" refused to support the slave wing any further in 1860, the Democratic Party shattered and the neo-libertarian slave wing of the southern Democrats brought on the Civil War.

Learn history, Frank.

and when the Civil Rights bill was signed into law all those Dixiecrats became life-long Republicans which we see today as largely red states. There are descendants of former slaves in those red states but the political machinery is wielded by mostly white Repubs

 

[Cecilie1200]

Unfortunately these laws being passed have no real affect other than make people feel good.

Federal Laws supersede State law, just as State laws supersede County or City laws/ordinances.

I guess you've never heard of the legal theory of nullification.

State Nullification: What Is It? | Liberty Classroom

What is it?

State nullification is the idea that the states can and must refuse to enforce unconstitutional federal laws.

Says Who?

Says Thomas Jefferson, among other distinguished Americans. His draft of the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798 first introduced the word “nullification” into American political life, and follow-up resolutions in 1799 employed Jefferson’s formulation that “nullification…is the rightful remedy” when the federal government reaches beyond its constitutional powers. In the Virginia Resolutions of 1798, James Madison said the states were “duty bound to resist” when the federal government violated the Constitution.

What’s the Argument for It?

Here’s an extremely basic summary:

1) The states preceded the Union.
2) In the American system no government is sovereign.
3) Since the peoples of the states are the sovereigns, then when the federal government exercises a power of dubious constitutionality on a matter of great importance, it is they themselves who are the proper disputants, as they review whether their agent was intended to hold such a power.

Why Do We Need It?

As Jefferson warned, if the federal government is allowed to hold a monopoly on determining the extent of its own powers, we have no right to be surprised when it keeps discovering new ones.

Isn’t This Ancient History?

Two dozen American states nullified the REAL ID Act of 2005. More than a dozen states have successfully defied the federal government over medical marijuana. Nullification initiatives of all kinds, involving the recent health care legislation, cap and trade, and the Second Amendment are popping up everywhere.

Doesn’t Nullification Violate the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause?

Thomas Jefferson knew about the Supremacy Clause, it’s safe to assume. The Supremacy Clause applies to constitutional laws, not unconstitutional ones.

Please visit the link for more details and more links to good sites on the subject.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Does not matter, Cecelie 1200. Federal supremacy outweighs state concern when the feds are involved.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Does not matter, Cecelie 1200. Federal supremacy outweighs state concern when the feds are involved.

Obama said he was going to allow the CO Marijuana law to stand, Jake