The Schools Cannot Be Saved....They Must Be Destroyed

[PoliticalChic]

Another 'obsessed with schools' thread.

Shouldn't you be, as well?


Shutting your eyes tightly isn't an adult response.

Of the two of us, I am the only one with eyes actually seeing what goes on inside the public schools you are so obsessed with. Your eyes merely glaze over at whatever you pulled up on Google again.

Let's check.
...

If the only thing following "let's check" is more Googling and ZERO personal experience, then you are just wasting our time - AGAIN.

Reality seems to be a problem for you.....

Again, the only one of the two of us in touch with the reality of the topic is me. Google and copy and paste is not the reality of the topic. If you have no personal experience or understanding about any aspect of this topic, you might as well stop wasting your time copying and pasting and copying and pasting and copying and pasting. You would be better served talking to real teachers or even going to real schools sitting in on real classes and looking at real lesson plans.

Did you find any mistakes...?

your ability to Google is unquestioned. Congratulations. Now, do you have any, any, any personal experience in public schools with public school teachers, or during public school lesson planning? If all you are going to do is search for specific instances on the Internet, where thousands and thousands and thousands of examples of any damn thing can be found, then you will add nothing to the actual topic other than painfully illogical conclusions. If you do not have any actual personal experience with the topic, please feel free to ask some questions and actually learn something beyond how to copy and paste, which we have established you are a master of.

Did you find any mistakes in the wide and deep list of malfeasance of government schooling that I provided???


No?



Keep looking.

 

[Unkotare]

Another 'obsessed with schools' thread.

Shouldn't you be, as well?


Shutting your eyes tightly isn't an adult response.

Of the two of us, I am the only one with eyes actually seeing what goes on inside the public schools you are so obsessed with. Your eyes merely glaze over at whatever you pulled up on Google again.

Let's check.
...

If the only thing following "let's check" is more Googling and ZERO personal experience, then you are just wasting our time - AGAIN.

Reality seems to be a problem for you.....

Again, the only one of the two of us in touch with the reality of the topic is me. Google and copy and paste is not the reality of the topic. If you have no personal experience or understanding about any aspect of this topic, you might as well stop wasting your time copying and pasting and copying and pasting and copying and pasting. You would be better served talking to real teachers or even going to real schools sitting in on real classes and looking at real lesson plans.

Did you find any mistakes...?

your ability to Google is unquestioned. Congratulations. Now, do you have any, any, any personal experience in public schools with public school teachers, or during public school lesson planning? If all you are going to do is search for specific instances on the Internet, where thousands and thousands and thousands of examples of any damn thing can be found, then you will add nothing to the actual topic other than painfully illogical conclusions. If you do not have any actual personal experience with the topic, please feel free to ask some questions and actually learn something beyond how to copy and paste, which we have established you are a master of.

 

[Unkotare]

Hello? Still nothing?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As I helped some parents home school their children and I saw the results first hand from the meeting a lot of other parents who home schooled that the kids were no better off than the children who went to school.

It is difficult to tell whether you are more a moron, or more a liar.


Home-schooled students beat government schooled students by ever.....EVERY....metric.




Recent statistics from The College Board and the American College Testing Program (ACT) indicate that home schoolers are exceeding the national average test scores on both the SAT and the ACT college entrance exams. In 1999, the 2219 students who identified themselves as home schooled students on the SAT test, scored an average of 1083 (verbal 548, math 535), 67 points above the national average of 1016. A perfect SAT score is 1600. Also in 1999, 3616 home school students taking the ACT scored an average of 22.7, compared to the national average of 21, a perfect score being 36.

http://hslda.org/docs/nche/000002/00000229.asp

Studies suggest that those who go on to college will outperform their peers.

Students coming from a home school graduated college at a higher rate than their peers—66.7 percent compared to 57.5 percent—and earned higher grade point averages along the way, according to a study that compared students at one doctoral university from 2004-2009.

They're also better socialized than most high school students, says Joe Kelly, an author and parenting expert who home-schooled his twin daughters.

https://www.usnews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2012/06/01/home-schooled-teens-ripe-for-college

study ever completed.

The Results

Overall the study showed significant advances in homeschool academic achievement as well as revealing that issues such as student gender, parents’ education level, and family income had little bearing on the results of homeschooled students.

National Average Percentile Scores
Subtest	Homeschool	Public School
Reading	89	50
Language	84	50
Math	84	50
Science	86	50
Social Studies	84	50
Corea	88	50
Compositeb	86	50
a. Core is a combination of Reading, Language, and Math. b. Composite is a combination of all subtests that the student took on the test.

Homeschooling is making great strides and hundreds of thousands of parents across America are showing every day what can be achieved when parents exercise their right to homeschool and make tremendous sacrifices to provide their children with the best education available.

Other Resources

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/200908100.asp

Do you know what self-selection bias is? It makes you data useless!

How many dumbass homeschooled kids decide NOT to take any of the college prep tests such as the SAT or ACT? Where does their scores show up in your data?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

11. “…competent people find teaching to be a less desirable profession to enter. Who would want to become a teacher when they know they will have no power to maintain order in the classroom? And that they are simultaneously on the hook for anything thSat may happen, ….”
What is wrong with American high schools? | The Liberty Loft

So, who becomes a teacher today?

In addition to the political bias of government schools, there is the question about how educated those educators actually are.



“At many large universities with an undergraduate college of education, the education school is regarded by students and faculty alike as the weak link, sometimes something of an embarrassment. None of the top dozen or so universities in rankings compiled by magazines like US News or Forbes typically even has an undergraduate ed school, in contrast to lots of institutions among the lowest ranked universities that were originally "normal schools" that even now have large education colleges.

An important new study of literally thousands of teacher prep programs from the National Council on Teacher Quality (NCTQ) suggests the campus indictments of education schools are very justified.

The students majoring in education are below average academically, with relatively low test scores and high school rank. They often have so-so preparation in the subject matter they are going to teach.
Relatively weak students are given a non-rigorous course of study but earn very high grades.” https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/07/08/The-Alarming-Truth-About-Education-Majors

Start paying teachers more and improve their work environment. Only then will you see improvement.

 

[Tax Man]

As I helped some parents home school their children and I saw the results first hand from the meeting a lot of other parents who home schooled that the kids were no better off than the children who went to school.

It is difficult to tell whether you are more a moron, or more a liar.


Home-schooled students beat government schooled students by ever.....EVERY....metric.




Recent statistics from The College Board and the American College Testing Program (ACT) indicate that home schoolers are exceeding the national average test scores on both the SAT and the ACT college entrance exams. In 1999, the 2219 students who identified themselves as home schooled students on the SAT test, scored an average of 1083 (verbal 548, math 535), 67 points above the national average of 1016. A perfect SAT score is 1600. Also in 1999, 3616 home school students taking the ACT scored an average of 22.7, compared to the national average of 21, a perfect score being 36.

http://hslda.org/docs/nche/000002/00000229.asp

Studies suggest that those who go on to college will outperform their peers.

Students coming from a home school graduated college at a higher rate than their peers—66.7 percent compared to 57.5 percent—and earned higher grade point averages along the way, according to a study that compared students at one doctoral university from 2004-2009.

They're also better socialized than most high school students, says Joe Kelly, an author and parenting expert who home-schooled his twin daughters.

https://www.usnews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2012/06/01/home-schooled-teens-ripe-for-college

study ever completed.

The Results

Overall the study showed significant advances in homeschool academic achievement as well as revealing that issues such as student gender, parents’ education level, and family income had little bearing on the results of homeschooled students.

National Average Percentile Scores
Subtest	Homeschool	Public School
Reading	89	50
Language	84	50
Math	84	50
Science	86	50
Social Studies	84	50
Corea	88	50
Compositeb	86	50
a. Core is a combination of Reading, Language, and Math. b. Composite is a combination of all subtests that the student took on the test.

Homeschooling is making great strides and hundreds of thousands of parents across America are showing every day what can be achieved when parents exercise their right to homeschool and make tremendous sacrifices to provide their children with the best education available.

Other Resources

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/200908100.asp

Home schooled are given 24 hours a day. Public is 6 hours. Not to mention the social awkwardness of home schooled.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hello? Still nothing?

Did you find any mistakes in the wide and deep list of malfeasance of government schooling that I provided???


No?


Still refuse to accept reality?

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. “…competent people find teaching to be a less desirable profession to enter. Who would want to become a teacher when they know they will have no power to maintain order in the classroom? And that they are simultaneously on the hook for anything thSat may happen, ….”
What is wrong with American high schools? | The Liberty Loft

So, who becomes a teacher today?

In addition to the political bias of government schools, there is the question about how educated those educators actually are.



“At many large universities with an undergraduate college of education, the education school is regarded by students and faculty alike as the weak link, sometimes something of an embarrassment. None of the top dozen or so universities in rankings compiled by magazines like US News or Forbes typically even has an undergraduate ed school, in contrast to lots of institutions among the lowest ranked universities that were originally "normal schools" that even now have large education colleges.

An important new study of literally thousands of teacher prep programs from the National Council on Teacher Quality (NCTQ) suggests the campus indictments of education schools are very justified.

The students majoring in education are below average academically, with relatively low test scores and high school rank. They often have so-so preparation in the subject matter they are going to teach.
Relatively weak students are given a non-rigorous course of study but earn very high grades.” https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/07/08/The-Alarming-Truth-About-Education-Majors

Start paying teachers more and improve their work environment. Only then will you see improvement.

Top salary for NYC is $128k.

How much more do you want for half a years work and producing a sub-par product?

 

[PoliticalChic]

As I helped some parents home school their children and I saw the results first hand from the meeting a lot of other parents who home schooled that the kids were no better off than the children who went to school.

It is difficult to tell whether you are more a moron, or more a liar.


Home-schooled students beat government schooled students by ever.....EVERY....metric.




Recent statistics from The College Board and the American College Testing Program (ACT) indicate that home schoolers are exceeding the national average test scores on both the SAT and the ACT college entrance exams. In 1999, the 2219 students who identified themselves as home schooled students on the SAT test, scored an average of 1083 (verbal 548, math 535), 67 points above the national average of 1016. A perfect SAT score is 1600. Also in 1999, 3616 home school students taking the ACT scored an average of 22.7, compared to the national average of 21, a perfect score being 36.

http://hslda.org/docs/nche/000002/00000229.asp

Studies suggest that those who go on to college will outperform their peers.

Students coming from a home school graduated college at a higher rate than their peers—66.7 percent compared to 57.5 percent—and earned higher grade point averages along the way, according to a study that compared students at one doctoral university from 2004-2009.

They're also better socialized than most high school students, says Joe Kelly, an author and parenting expert who home-schooled his twin daughters.

https://www.usnews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2012/06/01/home-schooled-teens-ripe-for-college

study ever completed.

The Results

Overall the study showed significant advances in homeschool academic achievement as well as revealing that issues such as student gender, parents’ education level, and family income had little bearing on the results of homeschooled students.

National Average Percentile Scores
Subtest	Homeschool	Public School
Reading	89	50
Language	84	50
Math	84	50
Science	86	50
Social Studies	84	50
Corea	88	50
Compositeb	86	50
a. Core is a combination of Reading, Language, and Math. b. Composite is a combination of all subtests that the student took on the test.

Homeschooling is making great strides and hundreds of thousands of parents across America are showing every day what can be achieved when parents exercise their right to homeschool and make tremendous sacrifices to provide their children with the best education available.

Other Resources

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/200908100.asp

Home schooled are given 24 hours a day. Public is 6 hours. Not to mention the social awkwardness of home schooled.

The data proves which product is superior.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As I helped some parents home school their children and I saw the results first hand from the meeting a lot of other parents who home schooled that the kids were no better off than the children who went to school.

It is difficult to tell whether you are more a moron, or more a liar.


Home-schooled students beat government schooled students by ever.....EVERY....metric.




Recent statistics from The College Board and the American College Testing Program (ACT) indicate that home schoolers are exceeding the national average test scores on both the SAT and the ACT college entrance exams. In 1999, the 2219 students who identified themselves as home schooled students on the SAT test, scored an average of 1083 (verbal 548, math 535), 67 points above the national average of 1016. A perfect SAT score is 1600. Also in 1999, 3616 home school students taking the ACT scored an average of 22.7, compared to the national average of 21, a perfect score being 36.

http://hslda.org/docs/nche/000002/00000229.asp

Studies suggest that those who go on to college will outperform their peers.

Students coming from a home school graduated college at a higher rate than their peers—66.7 percent compared to 57.5 percent—and earned higher grade point averages along the way, according to a study that compared students at one doctoral university from 2004-2009.

They're also better socialized than most high school students, says Joe Kelly, an author and parenting expert who home-schooled his twin daughters.

https://www.usnews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2012/06/01/home-schooled-teens-ripe-for-college

study ever completed.

The Results

Overall the study showed significant advances in homeschool academic achievement as well as revealing that issues such as student gender, parents’ education level, and family income had little bearing on the results of homeschooled students.

National Average Percentile Scores
Subtest	Homeschool	Public School
Reading	89	50
Language	84	50
Math	84	50
Science	86	50
Social Studies	84	50
Corea	88	50
Compositeb	86	50
a. Core is a combination of Reading, Language, and Math. b. Composite is a combination of all subtests that the student took on the test.

Homeschooling is making great strides and hundreds of thousands of parents across America are showing every day what can be achieved when parents exercise their right to homeschool and make tremendous sacrifices to provide their children with the best education available.

Other Resources

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/200908100.asp

Do you know what self-selection bias is? It makes you data useless!

How many dumbass homeschooled kids decide NOT to take any of the college prep tests such as the SAT or ACT? Where does their scores show up in your data?

Actually, it is government school that has proven useless.

The facts are the facts.

 

[K9Buck]

There is no "cleaning up" or "saving" America from the left. My advice is to move to a VERY white, predominantly Christian community in a VERY red county in a red state and make the best of it. Eventually, the left will do to the nation what it's done to black communities. I'm thankful that my two children are bilingual (Spanish) so that they can migrate to a nice part of Latin America after the U.S. becomes a gigantic shithole.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If I may borrow from Edmond Rostand......now, as I end my refrain.....thrust home: one more parting shot:




12. What happens when less than bright individuals gain power? The little Nazis strut their stuff.......

This:
“Teachers Compile List Of Parents Who Question Racial Curriculum, Plot War On Them
A group of current and former teachers and others in Loudoun County, Virginia, compiled a lengthy list of parents suspected of disagreeing with school system actions, including its teaching of controversial racial concepts — with a stated purpose in part to “infiltrate,” use “hackers” to silence parents’ communications, and “expose these people publicly.”

Members of a 624-member private Facebook group called “Anti-Racist Parents of Loudoun County” named parents and plotted fundraising and other offline work. Some used pseudonyms, but The Daily Wire has identified them as a who’s who of the affluent jurisdiction outside D.C., including school staff and elected officials.

…do not offer any evidence of racism by the group’s targets. Their opponents were apparently those who objected to, sought to debate, or were even simply “neutral” about “critical race theory,” a radical philosophy opposed by many liberals and conservatives but increasingly embraced by governments.

Members of the “Anti-Racist” group sprang into action, listing dozens of parents, often including where they lived, their employers, or their spouses’ names.”

Teachers Compile List Of Parents Who Question Racial Curriculum, Plot War On Them | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

There is nothing the Nazis....especially the ones controlling government school, like better than silencing any who disagree.

 

[AZrailwhale]

11. “…competent people find teaching to be a less desirable profession to enter. Who would want to become a teacher when they know they will have no power to maintain order in the classroom? And that they are simultaneously on the hook for anything thSat may happen, ….”
What is wrong with American high schools? | The Liberty Loft

So, who becomes a teacher today?

In addition to the political bias of government schools, there is the question about how educated those educators actually are.



“At many large universities with an undergraduate college of education, the education school is regarded by students and faculty alike as the weak link, sometimes something of an embarrassment. None of the top dozen or so universities in rankings compiled by magazines like US News or Forbes typically even has an undergraduate ed school, in contrast to lots of institutions among the lowest ranked universities that were originally "normal schools" that even now have large education colleges.

An important new study of literally thousands of teacher prep programs from the National Council on Teacher Quality (NCTQ) suggests the campus indictments of education schools are very justified.

The students majoring in education are below average academically, with relatively low test scores and high school rank. They often have so-so preparation in the subject matter they are going to teach.
Relatively weak students are given a non-rigorous course of study but earn very high grades.” https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/07/08/The-Alarming-Truth-About-Education-Majors

Start paying teachers more and improve their work environment. Only then will you see improvement.

Teacher's pay levels have nothing to do with the problem. Set mandatory very high standards for behavior and performance by students. Expel unruly or uncooperative students and get rid of tenure which rewards drones. Demand performance from teachers, administrators, staff AND students.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

11. “…competent people find teaching to be a less desirable profession to enter. Who would want to become a teacher when they know they will have no power to maintain order in the classroom? And that they are simultaneously on the hook for anything thSat may happen, ….”
What is wrong with American high schools? | The Liberty Loft

So, who becomes a teacher today?

In addition to the political bias of government schools, there is the question about how educated those educators actually are.



“At many large universities with an undergraduate college of education, the education school is regarded by students and faculty alike as the weak link, sometimes something of an embarrassment. None of the top dozen or so universities in rankings compiled by magazines like US News or Forbes typically even has an undergraduate ed school, in contrast to lots of institutions among the lowest ranked universities that were originally "normal schools" that even now have large education colleges.

An important new study of literally thousands of teacher prep programs from the National Council on Teacher Quality (NCTQ) suggests the campus indictments of education schools are very justified.

The students majoring in education are below average academically, with relatively low test scores and high school rank. They often have so-so preparation in the subject matter they are going to teach.
Relatively weak students are given a non-rigorous course of study but earn very high grades.” https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/07/08/The-Alarming-Truth-About-Education-Majors

Start paying teachers more and improve their work environment. Only then will you see improvement.

Teacher's pay levels have nothing to do with the problem. Set mandatory very high standards for behavior and performance by students. Expel unruly or uncooperative students and get rid of tenure which rewards drones. Demand performance from teachers, administrators, staff AND students.

Tenure is overrated. I taught for 21 years and had tenure ONCE!

If you pay someone just enough to warrant their getting by, some of which are forced them to repay student loans for 5+ years of college and then demand they get a Master's degree within a set period of getting certification, what kind of applicant do you think you are going to get? Then make them work from 6 AM to 10PM every day, plus attend all school activities or coach a sport. Why do you think the burn-out rate for new teachers is so high?

 

[Unkotare]

..... Why do you think the burn-out rate for new teachers is so high?

In some of the places where I've taught, I have seen first year teachers literally flee the building crying, never to return.

 

[Unkotare]

......Still refuse to accept reality?

"Reality" isn't staring at a glowing screen. Reality is out in the real world, in real schools, with real students and real teachers. Go put your eyes on that before referencing "reality."

 

[Unkotare]

Another 'obsessed with schools' thread.

Shouldn't you be, as well?


Shutting your eyes tightly isn't an adult response.

Of the two of us, I am the only one with eyes actually seeing what goes on inside the public schools you are so obsessed with. Your eyes merely glaze over at whatever you pulled up on Google again.

Let's check.
...

If the only thing following "let's check" is more Googling and ZERO personal experience, then you are just wasting our time - AGAIN.

Reality seems to be a problem for you.....

Again, the only one of the two of us in touch with the reality of the topic is me. Google and copy and paste is not the reality of the topic. If you have no personal experience or understanding about any aspect of this topic, you might as well stop wasting your time copying and pasting and copying and pasting and copying and pasting. You would be better served talking to real teachers or even going to real schools sitting in on real classes and looking at real lesson plans. I realize that is a bit more inconvenient than just googling shit and then copying and pasting and saying “ hey look at me I’m right and you’re wrong!” but it would be worth the effort for what you might actually learn. You are not afraid to do that, are you? Surely all of the endless threads you have started regarding your obsession over public schools suggest that you would at least be willing to put in the minimal effort to find out for yourself beyond your old friend copy and paste.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

..... Why do you think the burn-out rate for new teachers is so high?

In some of the places where I've taught, I have seen first year teachers literally flee the building crying, never to return.

I received a call from a school district needing a replacement in October. When I took the job, the other teachers were quick to tell me that my predecessor, a first year teacher, straight out of college, went to lunch one day with her boyfriend, another teacher, and neither one came back!

 

[The Irish Ram]

I would have my children go to public schools as they are still great institutions of learning.

Comparable to your educational level, of course.


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Do you work?

Why is that your business, dunce?

Just curious about your superior education and your mocking everyone constantly. Are you doing something grand and constructive with your life or are you retired?

Why not stick to the topic and tell us how proud you are of our failed school system...

 

[initforme]

It is very noticeable that nobody ever expects more from kids. It's always the teachers fault. Always. Get into the public school classroom and fix the problem. You can't handle or fathom that.