The Role of Government in Maintaining a Well Regulated Militia!?!

[progressive hunter]

he brings up some very good points as to what is a militia and how it effects the everyday person,,

 

[progressive hunter]

 

[Failzero]

Allowing them to train & prepare would be a good start

 

[whitehall]

The issue has been settled in a dozen Supreme Court decisions that upheld the Constitutionality of the 2nd Amendment. Let it go lefties.

 

[Abatis]

he brings up some very good points as to what is a militia and how it effects the everyday person,,

He is an absolute constitutional ignoramus.

Anyone who listens to him and believes him is worse than just ignorant, they are completely misinformed.

Those who support gun rights should try to keep our arguments and opinions we advance, to be correct and constitutionally legitimate. This guy is a pied piper and should be rejected and shunned . . .

 

[progressive hunter]

He is an absolute constitutional ignoramus.

Anyone who listens to him and believes him is worse than just ignorant, they are completely misinformed.

Those who support gun rights should try to keep our arguments and opinions we advance, to be correct and constitutionally legitimate. This guy is a pied piper and should be rejected and shunned . . .

since you failed to explain even a little bit what he got wrong and why I can only assume youre just another triggered moron trying to project your ignorance onto other people,,

so thanks for stopping by and giving the class someone to laugh at,,

 

[Abatis]

since you failed to explain even a little bit what he got wrong and why I can only assume youre just another triggered moron trying to project your ignorance onto other people,,

so thanks for stopping by and giving the class someone to laugh at,,

I'm busy cooking and prepping a family event but I will take a moment and say, his opening point, . . . .

"what is the role of government in making sure that militia works, well nothing it's not their job"​

. . . is unmitigated BS.

"We the People" granted the federal government the power (Art I, §8, cl's 15 & 16) to set all the rules for enrolment in the organized militia, the organizational structure of the organized militia, the training regimen that enrolled members of the organized militia are mustered and exercised under.

The federal government has nearly complete plenary power to set the entire set of rules and guidance for militia organization and control and the Congress fully exercised that power in the Militia Act of 1792. See, Houston v. Moore, 18 U.S. (5 Wheat.) (1820), Martin v. Mott, 25 U.S. (12 Wheat.) (1827) and Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1917).

Very little power remained with the states; that power was limited to, "the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress".

The people, the private citizens, the unorganized militia, retained no militia powers, there is no right for the people to organize themselves as militia, to muster. train or deploy themselves as militia in any capacity, especially claiming any right under the 2nd Amendment, see Presser v Illinois and DC v Heller.

Currently, there is no power granted to any entity, federal, state or citizen, to call-up, organize, train or deploy the general citizens as militia.

Under no reasoned, supported by the Constitution and the laws enacted under the authority of the militia clauses (e.g., the Militia Act of 1792) is anything that goofball said, correct.

 

[progressive hunter]

His opening point, . . . .

"what is the role of government in making sure that militia works, well nothing it's not their job"​

. . . is unmitigated BS. "We the People" granted the federal government the power (Art I, §8, cl's 15 & 16) to set all the rules for enrolment in the organized militia, the organizational structure of the organized militia, the training regimen that enrolled members of the organized militia are mustered and exercised under. The federal government has complete plenary power to set the entire set of rules and guidance for militia organization and control and the Congress fully exercised that power in the Militia Act of 1792.

Very little power remained with the states; that power was limited to, "the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress".

The people, the private citizens, the unorganized militia, retained no militia powers, there is no right for the people to organize themselves as militia, to muster. train or deploy themselves as militia in any capacity, especially claiming any right under the 2nd Amendment, see Presser v Illinois and DC v Heller.

Currently, there is no power granted to any entity, federal, state or citizen, to call-up, organize, train or deploy the general citizens as militia.

Under no reasoned, supported by the Constitution and the laws enacted under the authority of the militia clauses (e.g., the Militia Act of 1792) is anything that goofball said, correct.

why do you idiots not read what you post,,,

you proved him right not wrong,,

its on the individual to be ready if and when called up or in the face of tyranny from our own government, which is the main reason for the 2nd A and militia,,

 

[Abatis]

why do you idiots not read what you post,,,

you proved him right not wrong,,

His entire position is, IN LAW, the federal government has no interest or purpose or powers to direct anything pertaining to militia . . . And that is wrong. To say that such a belief is grounded in the 2nd Amendment, is doubling down on stupid.

its on the individual to be ready if and when called up or in the face of tyranny from our own government, which is the main reason for the 2nd A and militia,,

Well, as long as you can do that without associating together as a military company or organization or to drill or practice with arms, you should be clear of being charged criminally.

 

[progressive hunter]

His entire position is, IN LAW, the federal government has no interest or purpose or powers to direct anything pertaining to militia . . . And that is wrong. To say that such a belief is grounded in the 2nd Amendment, is doubling down on stupid.



Well, as long as you can do that without associating together as a military company or organization or to drill or practice with arms, you should be clear of being charged criminally.

you forgot to post the law that says thats illegal,,, doesnt matter anyway since laws dont override constitutionally protected rights,, sorry about that,,

wouldnt make much sense for the people to depend on the very people they may have to fight for training and supervision,,,

 

[Captain Caveman]

America and well regulate militia, lmfao

 

[Failzero]

America and well regulate militia, lmfao

Gangbangers and ATF Weapons searches & Confiscation raids ?

 

[Abatis]

you forgot to post the law that says thats illegal,,

Every state has laws forbidding citizens to engage in paramilitary activity / organize as militia, outside of any laws authorizing that action or being officially called to aid the civil government (e.g., posse comitatus)

, doesnt matter anyway since laws dont override constitutionally protected rights,, sorry about that,,

There is no right for citizens to claim, that allows them to organize as militia.

Again, see Presser v Illinois (1886) and DC v Heller, (2008), confirming Presser. These principles and laws and judicial determinations sustaining those laws are not new, there is really no excuse for you not knowing them except purposeful ignorance.

wouldnt make much sense for the people to depend on the very people they may have to fight for training and supervision,,,

And yet that was how it was before 1903 and the Dick Act, overriding the 1792 Militia Act, federalizing the state militias and extinguishing civilian militia service obligation. The final nail in the coffin was the National Defense Act of 1916 which completely extinguished any vestige of the clause 15 & 16 (drawn from the citizenry) militia and absorbed all militia operations into the clause 12 national armed forces, becoming the National Guard.

This is the current situation, now in force for over 100 years, which is why I said correctly, there is no entity, federal, state or citizen, authorized to call-up, organize, train or deploy the general citizenry as militia.

There's a reason why the citizens not enrolled in any militia have always been described as "unorganized" (even before 10 U.S.C. Ch. 13, §311) . . . Any chance you can figure out why they are described as "unorganized"?

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[Smokin' OP]

he brings up some very good points as to what is a militia and how it effects the everyday person,,

NO, he doesn't.
He is as FOS, as any teabagger on the USMB message board.

"Well regulated means in good working order".

In WHAT dictionary?
Just because he CLAIMS that's what it means, doesn't make it so.
Well regulated means what it always has meant.........................regulated.

 

[Kruska]

It's amazing as to what that human scumbag Trump and his little helpers can place into peoples mind.

 

[Smokin' OP]

It's amazing as what that human scumbag Trump and his little helpers can place into peoples mind.

In this instance..................A youtube video, it MUST be true.

 

[Abatis]

"Well regulated means in good working order". . . .

In WHAT dictionary? . . .

Well regulated means what it always has meant.........................regulated.

No, you are wrong here; all the general term "well regulated" means (say when used to describe a clock) is, "properly functioning and in operational order and condition.

The term "well regulated" when used to describe militia or military corps, is just an accolade, a compliment that a particular group earns, after demonstrating a high degree of military order, readiness and condition for battle.

"Well regulated" does not have any connotation with "regulations" . . . Volumes of regulations issued from Congress could be read to a regiment of militia and it would not ever make them be, "well regulated."

While militia regulations (authorized under Art I, §8, l's 15 & 16, as established in the Milita Act of 1792, NOT the 2ndA) could establish the regimen of training and organization of the command of militia that could lead them to be "well regulated" after much exercise and drilling, just having "regulations" does not make the militia, "well regulated" . . .

 

[Abatis]

It's amazing as to what that human scumbag Trump and his little helpers can place into peoples mind.

Do you really think any gun rights supporter takes their positions from Trump?

That says more about your TDS than any statement you intended to make, disparaging the positions of gun rights supporters.

 

[Smokin' OP]

No, you are wrong here; all the general term "well regulated" means (say when used to describe a clock) is, "properly functioning and in operational order and condition.

It does NOT.
What dictionary are you getting THAT from?

Regulate Definition & Meaning​

Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › regul...
May 19, 2023 — 1 · to bring under the control of authority. regulate prices ; 2 · to bring order or method to. regulate one's habits ; 3 · to fix or adjust the time ...

The term "well regulated" when used to describe militia or military corps, is just an accolade, a compliment that a particular group earns, after demonstrating a high degree of military order, readiness and condition for battle.

WTF?

"Well regulated" does not have any connotation with "regulations" . . . Volumes of regulations issued from Congress could be read to a regiment of militia and it would not ever make them be, "well regulated."

WTF?
THAT'S the DEFINITION.

While militia regulations (authorized under Art I, §8, l's 15 & 16, as established in the Milita Act of 1792, NOT the 2ndA) could establish the regimen of training and organization of the command of militia that could lead them to be "well regulated" after much exercise and drilling, just having "regulations" does not make the militia, "well regulated" . . .

Quite, the word salad you have going on there
In other words..................BULLSHIT.

 

[Blues Man]

NO, he doesn't.
He is as FOS, as any teabagger on the USMB message board.

"Well regulated means in good working order".

In WHAT dictionary?
Just because he CLAIMS that's what it means, doesn't make it so.
Well regulated means what it always has meant.........................regulated.

You are too stupid to understand that word usage in the 18th century was different than it is today. I suppose you think in the 18th century the word gay was used to mean homosexuals just like it is today right?