The Road to Serfdom and Socialism, Can it Work in the US?

[ZRoberts1991]

I went ahead and read The Road to Serfdom finally, I grew up liberal but have made an effort to read more books in the conservative realm to gain a fairer perspective on the multitude of issues effecting our country. I put up a review on youtube with my thoughts but I wanted to ask everyone else who read it what they thought on what they think about socialism and could democratic socialism possibly work in the US?

 

[Mr. H.]

Democratic socialism has been trying to work in the U.S.since 2008.

 

[ZRoberts1991]

I understand more elements of socialism have been implemented but you can hardly say that US is on par with any of the Democratic Socialist countries in Europe.

 

[Mr. H.]

I understand more elements of socialism have been implemented but you can hardly say that US is on par with any of the Democratic Socialist countries in Europe.

Let's see... government mandated healthcare. Check
Open borders. Check
Sanctuary cities. Check
Gun ownership restrictions. Check

And the list goes on...

 

[Idadunno]

I went ahead and read The Road to Serfdom finally, I grew up liberal but have made an effort to read more books in the conservative realm to gain a fairer perspective on the multitude of issues effecting our country. I put up a review on youtube with my thoughts but I wanted to ask everyone else who read it what they thought on what they think about socialism and could democratic socialism possibly work in the US?

I haven't read the book but technically, socialism and democratic socialism are the same thing. Socialism is its original form, pre-Lenin, not Marxism or Lenin-Marxism, means equality of ownership--everyone owns the store--the economy is equal and if all people are equal, the community is run by partisanship--people elected equally by the people to govern--but not to govern so much as play peace keeper among neighbors. The territory would have to be an island because no true government means no true military. Home militia would not stave off an invasion by people with bombs, missile launchers, chemical weapons, etc. No true government means funding for programs like medical research would end and the mortality rates would increase. Everyone could pitch in and pay, but there would not be enough money per household for such an extravagance. No true government means no true trade outside our borders and since we do not have the resources we need to make what we need and want... that sucks. I'm digressing.
Democracy means people have the right to vote--even dictators are voted in (Napoleon, Lenin, Mussolini, and Hitler were voted in in some form or fashion). Democratic socialism means people get to vote on the government...... gee, I wish we could do that...oh, we do.
The only way true socialism would work is to make every person undergo gene therapy if there were a greed gene. There will always be people who like their money (Congress is full of them and their financial backers). Nowhere in the world will there ever be a Utopian society free of greed, therefore socialism will never work anywhere. It was and is a fairy tale.

People confuse social programs with socialism all the time. Social security, Medicaid, Medicare, Disability, and Welfare programs are social programs... social in the respect that they are for the public in need. Social equals people. They have nothing to do with socialism--the similarities in the definitions are just that... similarities.

 

[BluesLegend]

Look its simple, there are millions of well armed conservatives who will refuse to be slaves to a socialist state so the odds of America becoming socialist = not a chance in hell so stop wetting yourselves.

 

[ZRoberts1991]

I went ahead and read The Road to Serfdom finally, I grew up liberal but have made an effort to read more books in the conservative realm to gain a fairer perspective on the multitude of issues effecting our country. I put up a review on youtube with my thoughts but I wanted to ask everyone else who read it what they thought on what they think about socialism and could democratic socialism possibly work in the US?

I haven't read the book but technically, socialism and democratic socialism are the same thing. Socialism is its original form, pre-Lenin, not Marxism or Lenin-Marxism, means equality of ownership--everyone owns the store--the economy is equal and if all people are equal, the community is run by partisanship--people elected equally by the people to govern--but not to govern so much as play peace keeper among neighbors. The territory would have to be an island because no true government means no true military. Home militia would not stave off an invasion by people with bombs, missile launchers, chemical weapons, etc. No true government means funding for programs like medical research would end and the mortality rates would increase. Everyone could pitch in and pay, but there would not be enough money per household for such an extravagance. No true government means no true trade outside our borders and since we do not have the resources we need to make what we need and want... that sucks. I'm digressing.
Democracy means people have the right to vote--even dictators are voted in (Napoleon, Lenin, Mussolini, and Hitler were voted in in some form or fashion). Democratic socialism means people get to vote on the government...... gee, I wish we could do that...oh, we do.
The only way true socialism would work is to make every person undergo gene therapy if there were a greed gene. There will always be people who like their money (Congress is full of them and their financial backers). Nowhere in the world will there ever be a Utopian society free of greed, therefore socialism will never work anywhere. It was and is a fairy tale.

People confuse social programs with socialism all the time. Social security, Medicaid, Medicare, Disability, and Welfare programs are social programs... social in the respect that they are for the public in need. Social equals people. They have nothing to do with socialism--the similarities in the definitions are just that... similarities.

Thanks for the explanation, I agree with much of what you said, can you explain why Democratic Socialism has worked so well in Scandanavia though? They always seem to churn out the happiest citizens

 

[danielpalos]

I understand more elements of socialism have been implemented but you can hardly say that US is on par with any of the Democratic Socialist countries in Europe.

Let's see... government mandated healthcare. Check
Open borders. Check
Sanctuary cities. Check
Gun ownership restrictions. Check

And the list goes on...

Where o' where have all of the Good Capitalists gone who can make more money under Any form of Capitalism, with a Commerce Clause and an official Mint at their disposal.

 

[browsing deer]

It is far advanced. England and Germany are more libertarian than we are now. Let alone Japan and Korea

 

[2aguy]

I understand more elements of socialism have been implemented but you can hardly say that US is on par with any of the Democratic Socialist countries in Europe.

The democrat socialist countries are running out of steam....their people don't work, so they have to import foreign workers who come from 3rd world countries that do not share the values or culture of the European countries they move to. They can only afford their generous social welfare benefits and work ethic because their national defense has been paid for by the United States.

It is true as Margaret Thatcher said...eventually these social democratic countries run out of other peoples money.....

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I went ahead and read The Road to Serfdom finally, I grew up liberal but have made an effort to read more books in the conservative realm to gain a fairer perspective on the multitude of issues effecting our country. I put up a review on youtube with my thoughts but I wanted to ask everyone else who read it what they thought on what they think about socialism and could democratic socialism possibly work in the US?

I haven't read the book but technically, socialism and democratic socialism are the same thing. Socialism is its original form, pre-Lenin, not Marxism or Lenin-Marxism, means equality of ownership--everyone owns the store--the economy is equal and if all people are equal, the community is run by partisanship--people elected equally by the people to govern--but not to govern so much as play peace keeper among neighbors. The territory would have to be an island because no true government means no true military. Home militia would not stave off an invasion by people with bombs, missile launchers, chemical weapons, etc. No true government means funding for programs like medical research would end and the mortality rates would increase. Everyone could pitch in and pay, but there would not be enough money per household for such an extravagance. No true government means no true trade outside our borders and since we do not have the resources we need to make what we need and want... that sucks. I'm digressing.
Democracy means people have the right to vote--even dictators are voted in (Napoleon, Lenin, Mussolini, and Hitler were voted in in some form or fashion). Democratic socialism means people get to vote on the government...... gee, I wish we could do that...oh, we do.
The only way true socialism would work is to make every person undergo gene therapy if there were a greed gene. There will always be people who like their money (Congress is full of them and their financial backers). Nowhere in the world will there ever be a Utopian society free of greed, therefore socialism will never work anywhere. It was and is a fairy tale.

People confuse social programs with socialism all the time. Social security, Medicaid, Medicare, Disability, and Welfare programs are social programs... social in the respect that they are for the public in need. Social equals people. They have nothing to do with socialism--the similarities in the definitions are just that... similarities.

Thanks for the explanation, I agree with much of what you said, can you explain why Democratic Socialism has worked so well in Scandanavia though? They always seem to churn out the happiest citizens

Because they're a bunch of spineless wonders.

 

[2aguy]

I went ahead and read The Road to Serfdom finally, I grew up liberal but have made an effort to read more books in the conservative realm to gain a fairer perspective on the multitude of issues effecting our country. I put up a review on youtube with my thoughts but I wanted to ask everyone else who read it what they thought on what they think about socialism and could democratic socialism possibly work in the US?

I haven't read the book but technically, socialism and democratic socialism are the same thing. Socialism is its original form, pre-Lenin, not Marxism or Lenin-Marxism, means equality of ownership--everyone owns the store--the economy is equal and if all people are equal, the community is run by partisanship--people elected equally by the people to govern--but not to govern so much as play peace keeper among neighbors. The territory would have to be an island because no true government means no true military. Home militia would not stave off an invasion by people with bombs, missile launchers, chemical weapons, etc. No true government means funding for programs like medical research would end and the mortality rates would increase. Everyone could pitch in and pay, but there would not be enough money per household for such an extravagance. No true government means no true trade outside our borders and since we do not have the resources we need to make what we need and want... that sucks. I'm digressing.
Democracy means people have the right to vote--even dictators are voted in (Napoleon, Lenin, Mussolini, and Hitler were voted in in some form or fashion). Democratic socialism means people get to vote on the government...... gee, I wish we could do that...oh, we do.
The only way true socialism would work is to make every person undergo gene therapy if there were a greed gene. There will always be people who like their money (Congress is full of them and their financial backers). Nowhere in the world will there ever be a Utopian society free of greed, therefore socialism will never work anywhere. It was and is a fairy tale.

People confuse social programs with socialism all the time. Social security, Medicaid, Medicare, Disability, and Welfare programs are social programs... social in the respect that they are for the public in need. Social equals people. They have nothing to do with socialism--the similarities in the definitions are just that... similarities.

Thanks for the explanation, I agree with much of what you said, can you explain why Democratic Socialism has worked so well in Scandanavia though? They always seem to churn out the happiest citizens

It hasn't ....they are just protected by left wing media....

Dark lands the grim truth behind the Scandinavian miracle World news The Guardian

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Why do the Danes score so highly on international happiness surveys? Well, they do have high levels of trust and social cohesion, and do very nicely from industrial pork products, but according to the OECD they also work fewer hours per year than most of the rest of the world. As a result, productivity is worryingly sluggish. How can they afford all those expensively foraged meals and hand-knitted woollens? Simple, the Danes also have the highest level of private debt in the world (four times as much as the Italians, to put it into context; enough to warrant a warning from the IMF), while more than half of them admit to using the black market to obtain goods and services.

Perhaps the Danes' dirtiest secret is that, according to a 2012 report from the Worldwide Fund for Nature, they have the fourth largest per capita ecological footprint in the world. Even ahead of the US. Those offshore windmills may look impressive as you land at Kastrup, but Denmark burns an awful lot of coal. Worth bearing that in mind the next time a Dane wags her finger at your patio heater.

I'm afraid I have to set you straight on Danish television too. Their big new drama series, Arvingerne (The Legacy, when it comes to BBC4 later this year) is stunning, but the reality of prime-time Danish TV is day-to-day, wall-to-wall reruns of 15-year-old episodes of Midsomer Murders and documentaries on pig welfare. The Danes of course also have highest taxes in the world (though only the sixth-highest wages – hence the debt, I guess). As a spokesperson I interviewed at the Danish centre-right thinktank Cepos put it, they effectively work until Thursday lunchtime for the state's coffers, and the other day and half for themselves.

 

[2aguy]

And more on Denmark....and it goes for the rest of them as well..the left in the media hide the truth....wait....that isn't accurate....they lie.......never trust the left when they tell you something...

According to a report in Politiken this month, the proportion of people below the poverty line has doubled over the last decade. Denmark is becoming a nation divided, essentially, between the places which have a branch of Sticks'n'Sushi (Copenhagen) and the rest. Denmark's provinces have become a social dumping ground for non-western immigrants, the elderly, the unemployed and the unemployable who live alongside Denmark's 22m intensively farmed pigs, raised 10 to a pen and pumped full of antibiotics (the pigs, that is).

 

[2aguy]

And Finland...

With its tarnished crown jewel, Nokia, devoured by Microsoft, Finland's hitherto robust economy is more dependent than ever on selling paper – mostly I was told, to Russian porn barons. Luckily, judging by a recent journey I took with my eldest son the length of the country by train, the place appears to be 99% trees. The view was a bit samey.

 

[danielpalos]

Are there no Good Capitalists to be found in our Republic?

 

[ZRoberts1991]

And Finland...

With its tarnished crown jewel, Nokia, devoured by Microsoft, Finland's hitherto robust economy is more dependent than ever on selling paper – mostly I was told, to Russian porn barons. Luckily, judging by a recent journey I took with my eldest son the length of the country by train, the place appears to be 99% trees. The view was a bit samey.

Wow, had no idea. Thanks for that.

 

[2aguy]

See...the left benefited for decades because accessing the truth was hard.....you had to dig through tomes and academic papers to get to the truth...while their leftwing journalists lied on camera and couldn't be disproven....

Now.....someone mentions the miracle of Scandinavia....and the truth is out in the blink of an eye...the left's hold on power is gone........the truth is coming out rapidlly on their lies.........

Socialism does not work.....it eventually ends up in financial ruin, and then the hard core left takes over.....and the mass graves get dug....

 

[2aguy]

And Finland...

With its tarnished crown jewel, Nokia, devoured by Microsoft, Finland's hitherto robust economy is more dependent than ever on selling paper – mostly I was told, to Russian porn barons. Luckily, judging by a recent journey I took with my eldest son the length of the country by train, the place appears to be 99% trees. The view was a bit samey.

Wow, had no idea. Thanks for that.

You are welcome.....I have a friend from Norway......they have very violent immingrants moving to their country......

First thing to learn....never believe what the left tells you...they lie......

 

[2aguy]

I went ahead and read The Road to Serfdom finally, I grew up liberal but have made an effort to read more books in the conservative realm to gain a fairer perspective on the multitude of issues effecting our country. I put up a review on youtube with my thoughts but I wanted to ask everyone else who read it what they thought on what they think about socialism and could democratic socialism possibly work in the US?

Have you Read Friedrich Bastiates "The Law." it is a small pamphlet that was written when socialism was first making it's appearance......also, have you read Thomas Sowell...or Walter Williams or Milton Friedman....good places to start for conservative view points on culture and economics....good luck on learning the truth and learning about reality....I too was a democrat who believed in some of this left wing stuff when I was younger.....it just doesn't hold up to reality.....

 

[ZRoberts1991]

I went ahead and read The Road to Serfdom finally, I grew up liberal but have made an effort to read more books in the conservative realm to gain a fairer perspective on the multitude of issues effecting our country. I put up a review on youtube with my thoughts but I wanted to ask everyone else who read it what they thought on what they think about socialism and could democratic socialism possibly work in the US?

Have you Read Friedrich Bastiates "The Law." it is a small pamphlet that was written when socialism was first making it's appearance......also, have you read Thomas Sowell...or Walter Williams or Milton Friedman....good places to start for conservative view points on culture and economics....good luck on learning the truth and learning about reality....I too was a democrat who believed in some of this left wing stuff when I was younger.....it just doesn't hold up to reality.....

I haven't read "The Law" but will surely look into it. I actually just read Thomas Sowell's "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" and really enjoyed it. I also read Cultural America by him a little over a year ago.

I wanted to ask your opinion on Climate change since it's something that seems very hard to get unbiased information on. Would you have any material that arugues against it, since I've always wanted to read the other side but haven't been able to find much.