The Right To Destroy Jewish History

[surada]

That's the question, you say the Temple Mount is "no longer Jewish"
but when Muslims take the Vatican it remains intact...

So in case the Brahmans, 1/3 of world's population,
likely take Mecca is it "no longer Muslim"?

The Muslims aren't going to take the Vatican.. The Jews abandoned the destroyed temple for 600 years.. Are you crazy?

Why would the Brahmans take Mecca?

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Muslims aren't going to take the Vatican.. The Jews abandoned the destroyed temple for 600 years.. Are you crazy

The Jews "abandoned" the Temple?

The Romans, and then the Christian Byzantine, kept the Jews from going into Jerusalem so that they would not gather agains against the Romans as a people, knowing that Jerusalem is what kept the Jews united.

Abandoned, indeed.

Do not insult Omar with your rewriting of history.

He knew it much better than you to the point of caring that the Jews would have access to their holy city again.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Muslims aren't going to take the Vatican.. The Jews abandoned the destroyed temple for 600 years.. Are you crazy?

Why would the Brahmans take Mecca?

Some Muslims are dreaming of the Vatican.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1057610X.2020.1776952

If they work hard enough, who knows one century or another

 

[rylah]

The Muslims aren't going to take the Vatican.. The Jews abandoned the destroyed temple for 600 years.. Are you crazy?

Why would the Brahmans take Mecca?

That's not what the Islamists openly say.
And Brahmans are 1/3 of world's population.

When they take Mecca for 600 years,
should they as well claim Muslims abandoned it?

I'm asking you to give us a list of things that define
what you call 'abandoned', that we should equally apply.
If not, why not in places taken by Islamists apply Islam to Muslims?

 

[surada]

Some Muslims are dreaming of the Vatican.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1057610X.2020.1776952

If they work hard enough, who knows one century or another

ISIS? You are listening to ISIS? Hahahaaha.

 

[surada]

That's not what the Islamists openly say.
Brahmans are 1/3 of the world's population.

When they take Mecca for 600 years,
should they as well claim Muslims abandoned it?

I'm asking you to give me a list of things that define
what you call 'abandoned', that we should equally apply.

What Islamists?

 

[Sixties Fan]

ISIS? You are listening to ISIS? Hahahaaha.

I was merely posting what has been reported about ISIS wanting to conquer the Vatican, of course......they would be "conquering" Christianity.

Ha, ha ha

 

[rylah]

What Islamists?

The greedy Muslim supremacists occupying the Temple Mount,
seeking exclusive domination over the entire Middle East...and then some...
Can you suggest a more just response to this vile ideology than - apply Islam to Muslims?

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

Electricity

A shop owner laments that “Power cuts are a big problem [in Gaza]. We only have four hours of electricity a day.” Unfortunately, at no point does the documentary tackle why that is. Gaza has three sources of electricity: (1) a single power plant that runs on diesel, (2) the Israeli Electric Corporation (IEC), and (3) Egypt. The so-called “Gaza electricity crisis” is the result of the ongoing conflict between Hamas and the PA. In April 2017, after the powerplant ran out of fuel, electricity supplied by the IEC was essential for maintaining the power grid. However, the PA announced they would halt all electricity payments to the IEC, leading to increased power cuts across the Strip. Why did the PA make this decision? To increase pressure on Hamas in advance of the Palestinian elections.

Economy and Unemployment

A thread running throughout the documentary is the financial plight of the Palestinian people, especially the youth. As one medic puts it, “For more than ten years, these young people have had no prospect for the future, they have no hope.” Poverty and unemployment are rampant throughout Gaza, but the documentary never addresses why that is. Moreover, the millions of US dollars in humanitarian aid sent to help the Palestinian people in Gaza is never addressed. Maybe the reason for this omission lies in the inconvenient fact that these funds get siphoned away by the “freely elected” Hamas government who use them for personal enrichment, to build terror-attack tunnels and rockets.

Israel and False Claims of “Occupation”

“Young people are ready to sacrifice everything for their freedom. As long as the territory is occupied, they will not stop.” Freedom from and occupied by who? The claim that Israel “occupies” Gaza is a political smear with no basis in fact. A blockade is enforced by Israel and Egypt to protect their respective populations from terrorism. But there is no Israeli presence, military or civilian, in Gaza. What is holding Palestinians imprisoned is not the blockade, which is only a symptom for a much larger problem: Hamas. Maybe the energy of these young people would be better used ousting the Hamas government that is using them as pawns in their continued assault on Israel.

The 2014 Gaza War and Casualties

The 50-day war between Hamas and Israel is highly prominent throughout the documentary. Often, it’s framed as a turning point in the Israel-Gaza conflict. At no point, however, is any context given as to why it happened.

The war started due to continuous rocket fire and the threat of Hamas “militants tunnelling under the border” prompting Israel to retaliate in the hopes of halting the assaults. No one can deny that the war was devastating, and the Palestinians in Gaza felt the brunt of it. However, omitting the cause misleads the public. Every war between Hamas and Israel has been instigated by Hamas, every time.

In the documentary, the only facts we are given about the war are the casualties incurred by both sides. “Gaza particularly suffered during the 50-day war between it and Israel. More than 2,200 people were killed, including 500 children. On Israel’s side, 66 soldiers and 6 civilians were killed during the clashes.” The implication here is that the disparity is due to Israel’s carrying out a disproportional retaliation and increased power.

It’s not that simple. The higher loss of life on the Palestinian side is strongly linked to two factors that have nothing to do with Israel’s response. Primarily, Israel has invested millions of dollars to ensure the safety of its citizens through the Iron Dome missile interceptor and an extensive network of bomb shelters. Without these safety measures, the rockets fired by Hamas would have inflicted mass casualties of Israeli civilians. Most egregious is Hamas’ use of civilians as human shields. They purposefully place military headquarters and weapon caches “inside hospitals, mosques, and schools”. If the Hamas government used the millions in humanitarian aid to protect their citizens instead of putting them in danger there would be no casualties on either side, military or civilian.

Where do we go from here?

The purpose of the documentary was to hand the mic to Palestinian civilians and allow them to tell their stories. Of course, there is value in that. Israelis do not want Gazan Palestinians to suffer. Watching the scenes unfolding in RDI’s documentary is heart-wrenching, but the blame is often misplaced or left up for interpretation. The Palestinians in Gaza need to be freed from their true oppressor: Hamas. As one driver stated, “if Hamas did not exist, Palestine’s problems would be solved.” Until then, any attempts to improve the lives of Gazans are doomed to fail; Hamas will continue its assaults on Israeli civilians, and Israel will have no choice but to retaliate in defense.

(full article online)

RDI diffuse un documentaire sur Gaza dépourvu de contexte / RDI Airs Gaza Documentary Devoid of Context

English version appended below. Le 19 octobre, RDI a diffusé le documentaire « Gaza » dans le cadre de sa série « Les Grands Reportages », qui offrait un portrait des Palestiniens à Gaza dépourvu de tout contexte. Le documentaire original de 90 minutes est sorti en 2019 et a été réalisé par Gary...

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[Sixties Fan]

Supreme Court Justice Dafna Barak-Erez proposed a compromise according to which the homes would be transferred to Jewish hands, while the Arabs living in them would be declared protected tenants who may not be evicted. According to the proposed arrangement, each Arab family in the neighborhood would deposit an annual rent of NIS 2,400 ($766) in the account of the Nahalat Shimon Hatzadik company’s attorney, payments to be deposited for each year in advance. That’s $64 a month for a home in Jerusalem, folks – and they didn’t want to accept it at first, because it meant recognizing that Jews owned those homes.

Those lucky, lucky protected Arab tenants will pay the legal expenses in the two previous courts in the amount of NIS 30,000 ($9,576.18). It should cost them something – although I won’t hold my breath.
In the hours leading up to the court hearing, officials from Sheikh Jarrah and from outside the neighborhood were trying to persuade the families to revoke their consent to those $64 a month homes. Elements in the Palestinian Authority, including the Minister for Jerusalem Affairs, also spoke with representatives of the families in an attempt to persuade them to withdraw from the agreement and continue the struggle.

By the way, the squatter families’ lawyer, Sami Arshid, released a video in which he argued that the arrangement that the families would pay rent to Nahalat Shimon does not constitute an admission by the families that they recognize the association’s ownership of the homes, nor does it rule out a future claim by the families on the property.

Which is to say that some Arab lawyers have access to better hashish than others.


History (Understanding the Sheikh Jarrah/Shimon Hatzadik Property Dispute, by Avi Bell)


The legal rights of the parties themselves were resolved decades ago, in favor of the property owners. The owners in these disputes acquired their rights through an uninterrupted chain of transactions from predecessors in title in the 19th century. These legal rights were acquired under Ottoman law, and remained good through all different government regimes since then (British Mandatory, Jordanian occupation and purported annexation, and Israeli). No one seriously disputes the validity of the transactions through which the current owners acquired rights from their predecessors in title.

The tenants in these disputes acquired their leasehold rights through a chain from the Jordanian Custodian of Enemy Property in the 1950s. Their rights as leaseholders (not owners) were reaffirmed in several court rulings culminating in 1982 when Israel’s civil courts issued rulings adopting settlement agreements between the leaseholders’ predecessors in title and the owners.

(full article online)

Update: After Visit by PA Officials: 7 Arab Sheikh Jarrah Families No Longer Accept Court’s Compromise

They'll get a $64 a month home in Jerusalem, and they rejected it at first, because it meant recognizing that Jews owned those homes.

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[rylah]

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[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

It might seem absurd to those that do not see what is going on, but the pro-Palestinian movement probably cannot believe its good fortune. They can steal any idea, make any accusation, and global antisemitism will do the rest of the work for them. Because their fight is against the Jews, their empty smears all go viral. What we see in the anti-Israel movement today is the result of decades of co-opting causes, historical revisionism and piggybacking on the very real suffering of others. Basically – if there is a bad thing happening in the world – the pro-Palestinian movement stole the idea to use it against the Jews.

Here are some of the key examples:

The theft of Apartheid​

Apartheid was a system of legislation that upheld segregationist policies against non-white citizens of South Africa. White South Africans inflicted a brutal racist system upon over 80% of the population – tens of millions of people – just because of the colour of their skin:

The theft of the Holocaust​

This is one of the most insidious appropriations of suffering that has ever been undertaken. The pro-Palestinian movement has stolen the systematic destruction of the Jewish people. There are two strands to the way this was done.

The theft of genocide​

There is no end to the pro-Palestinian attempts to place themselves at the top of every discussion. Since September 2000, the outbreak of the Second Intifada, there have been about 10,000 Palestinian deaths. Most of those who died were engaged in violence at the time, and almost every single one inside an episode of violence that the Palestinian leaders chose to start. It is a disgraceful piece of historical revisionism for the word ‘genocide’ to be so twisted as to describe the death of terrorists.

The theft of ethnic cleansing​

You do not have to look far to see current victims of ethnic cleansing. The Tigrayans, Uyghurs, Rohingya, Kurds and Yazidis are just some of the world’s communities currently experiencing barbaric episodes. In the case of the Kurds, it is an ethnic cleansing in which they have been attacked by multiple states in conflicts spanning decades and have even suffered chemical weapon attacks.

The theft of victims of colonialism​

Not every part of colonialism was for the worst, but some of the actions in places such as Algeria, India, Kenya, Peru and Mexico created inexcusable acts of horror.

Millions of lives were lost in the Congo horrors – 80% of the Herero were wiped out in Namibia -and if we seek to remember some of the ills of colonialism, there are few better examples than these two. But the pro-Palestinian movement doesn’t want you to learn about real episodes from history – and it belittles the suffering by co-opting it for themselves:

The theft of the concentration camps​

In Xinjiang, in China’s far-west, 100,000s, if not millions of people, have been herded into concentration camps as part of a ‘re-education drive’. It is a place in which Muslims are deprived of their freedom, pushed through sterilisation programs and forced to eat pork. But leftist human rights activists do not want to focus on the suffering of these people – instead they claim that Hamas run Gaza is the largest and most famous ‘concentration camp’ in the world today.

The theft of the suffering freedom fighters​

Jimmy Lai is sitting in prison because he dared to speak out over China’s growing suppression in Hong Kong. In Burma, Iran, Saudi, Syria, Pakistan, and in fact everywhere that freedoms are suppressed by brutal regimes – there are brave people who are willing to sacrifice everything in the fight from freedom.

Theft of LGBTQ suffering​

The LGBT community in much of the Middle East, Africa and large swathes of Asia suffers from heavy persecution. The death penalty for homosexual behaviour still exists in some states – and in the PA and Hamas controlled areas- this persecution is so rife, that gay Palestinians often end up fleeing to Israel for safety. The pro-Palestinian movement actually uses Israel’s gay friendly environment as a means of attacking it with accusations of ‘pink-washing’:

The theft of racism​

Racism is a perpetual scourge of society that is responsible for untold suffering and countless deaths. The anti-racist struggle was another area the pro-Palestinian movement chose to overrun:

The theft of the suffering of victims of fascism​

The Jews know all about the horrors of fascism. But no – instead of remembering the victims of actual fascism, the pro-Palestinian camp steals their thunder too by trying to label the only free society in the Middle East – a fascist state. Thus ridiculing the term and demeaning the millions who suffered through Europe’s darkest hours:

Cultural Appropriation​

Through the eyes of its detractors, Israel is seen as a state of demons. Everything it does is sinister. Cultural appropriation is seen as a by-product of imperialism, capitalism, and oppression, so of course the haters all point their fingers at Israel when discussing the subject. This accusation is normally seen when discussing Israeli food:

Land grabbers​

Turkey occupies parts of Cyprus and Syria. Morocco occupies Western Sahara and land grabbing Russia occupies parts of Ukraine and Georgia. None of these count for anything. China occupied and annexed Tibet – and has since slaughtered over 20% of the population. In Tibet today there is no freedom at all – but nobody cares. The only ‘land grabbing’ anyone is allowed to talk about is when the accusation is directed towards Israel:

The theft of the evicted people​

In Isingwu, members of the Enugu community have just had their homes burnt. Nigerian soldiers simply swept through the town and evicted them. The minority Hazaras in Afghanistan are being forcibly evicted by the Taliban in order to hand their land over to Taliban supporters. In many nations, which are ruled by force and oppression – people have few, if any, property rights at all.

(full article online)

How the Palestinians stole the suffering, of well - just about everyone

The pro-Palestinian movement co-opted everyone else's suffering. They have stolen the world's moral compass - and with it the world's soul.

david-collier.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Two Australian politicians from Australia’s two major political parties – one of them Australia’s former Ambassador to Israel and Government backbencher Dave Sharma – have embarked on a trip to fantasyland in a rare show of bipartisan solidarity that has nothing to do with Australian domestic policy – but involves the self-titled “Palestinian People”.

Sharma (Liberal Party) seconded a motion by Chris Hayes (Australian Labor Party) which includes the following paragraphs:

That this House:

(1) notes that 29 November 2021 is the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People as declared by the United Nations in 1977;


(2) recognises the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, including their right to self determination and a future built on peace, dignity, justice and security;

Their hyperlinking of “Palestinian People” clarifies who these two politicians are talking about:

The Palestinian people (Arabic: الشعب الفلسطيني‎, ash-sha‘b al-Filasṭīnī), also referred to as Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيون‎, al-Filasṭīniyyūn; Hebrew: פָלַסְטִינִים‎) or Palestinian Arabs (Arabic: الفلسطينيين العرب‎, al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab), are an ethnonational group[31][32][33][34][35][36][37] comprising the modern descendants of the peoples who have lived in Palestinecontinuously over the centuries and who today are largely culturally and linguistically Arab.[38][39][40][41][42][43][44][45]

This definition is fabricated - ignoring history, geography and demography by falsely claiming the existence of a Palestinian People with roots purportedly going back 3000 years ago when the Jewish People entered the Promised Land (the region was not called Palestine until the conquering Romans coined the name in the first century for the land of the Jews) – rather than to the year 1964 - when the term “Palestinians” was first defined.

History is clear:

• The League of Nations 1922 Mandate for Palestine only recognised the Arab inhabitants of Palestine as forming part of “the existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine” whose civil and religious rights irrespective of race or religion were to be protected without any political rights to self-determination.
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• The 1947 United Nations Partition Plan only spoke of two states – one Jewish, the other Arab – not a Palestinian State.

• The Palestine Liberation Organisation – the sole spokesman for the Palestinian Arabs recognised by the Arab League since 1974 – defined the term “Palestinians” for the first time in history in its founding 1964 Charter:

Article 1. Palestine is an Arab homeland bound by strong national ties to the rest of the Arab Countries and which together form the large Arab homeland.

Article 2. Palestine with its boundaries at the time of the British Mandate is a regional indivisible unit.

Article 3. The Palestinian Arab people has the legitimate right to its homeland and is an inseparable part of the Arab Nation. It shares the sufferings and aspirations of the Arab Nation and its struggle for freedom, sovereignty, progress and unity.

Article 6. The Palestinians are those Arab citizens who were living normally in Palestine up to 1947, whether they remained or were expelled. Every child who was born to a Palestinian parent after this date whether in Palestine or outside is a Palestinian.

But Palestine’s boundaries at the time of the British Mandate (1920-1948) included Transjordan – 78% of the Mandate territory – until Transjordan became independent in 1946.

Following the invasion and conquest of Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem by Transjordan in 1948: Transjordan was renamed Jordan in 1949 and unified with these conquered territories on 24 April 1950 until their loss to Israel in 1967 .

Two States exist in former Palestine today: one Jewish - called Israel – the other - Arab - called Jordan.

The key to achieving peace is Jordan’s return to those areas of Judea and Samaria that are heavily-populated by Arabs - restoring Jordanian citizenship to its Arab residents as existed between 1950 and 1988.

Sharma and Hayes hold different opinions – but their opinions - based on fiction rather than fact – are nothing more than meaningless mumbo jumbo made by grandstanding politicians.

(full article online)

The key to peace: Israel and Jordan dividing Judea and Samaria

The 1947 United Nations Partition Plan only spoke of two areas – one Jewish, the other Arab – not a word about Palestinians. Op-ed.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Right To Destroy Jewish History
SUBTOPIC: Credibility
※→. Sixties Fan, et al,

(COMMENT)

If anything, we should let these speakers talk all they want. It goes to their credibility when making other irrational statements.

Just when I think that I've heard the most ignorant statement ever, someone like this arrives on the scene.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

Alien political control? Even if you consider the territories occupied, it is the job of the occupier to maintain political control over the area! Let alone the fact that Jews were in the Land before anyone heard of Palestinians or Muslims.

Settlements - groups of buildings! - are responsible for human rights violations?

Those buildings are responsible for "racial and ethnic discrimination?" Are Palestinians a different race than Jews?

Finally, these "experts" are claiming that Jewish settlers who want to live in their ancestral homeland really don't want to live there. No, their entire purpose is to "rupture the relationship between a native people and its territory." Yes, they move to these villages and towns because they hate Palestinians.
Human Rights Watch chief Ken Roth tweeted an article he loved:
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Here is an example where the people who spout off such nonsense would deny all day that they are antisemitic. But listen to what they are saying: Jews have no historic, emotional or legal ties to the land of the Torah. Not only that, but the only purpose of their wanting to live in the Biblical towns of Bet El, Shiloh, Kiryat Arba/Hebron and others is because they want to hurt Arabs. That is how hateful these Jews are - according to "UN experts."

Denying Jewish history is antisemitism. Denying a Jewish link to the land that Jews have prayed to return to for 2000 years is antisemitism. Ascribing evil motives to Jews that have no basis in reality is antisemitism.

The UN should apologize to all Jews for this sickening display of hate. But it is so ingrained in the mentality of the modern antisemites that they cannot even see it.

(full article online)

To the Jew-hating UN (and Ken Roth,) Jews are "aliens" in their historic lands

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

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[RoccoR]

RE: The Right To Destroy Jewish History
SUBTOPIC: Credibility
※→. Sixties Fan, et al,

The UN should apologize to all Jews for this sickening display of hate. But it is so ingrained in the mentality of the modern antisemites that they cannot even see it.

(COMMENT)

The UN is not actually a political body with a single goal and purpose. It is a body of representatives that acts like sheep and sets the conditions that affect everything from an unenlightened political circus to how individual representatives behave—but that doesn’t mean it has any power to muscle states into its collective political hijinks and buffoonery.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

— Hirschhorn blamed Israel for the fact that Palestinian Arabs in Judea-Samaria have “no citizenship rights,” a smear which perpetuates the false image of Israel as a colonialist oppressor. The reason those Arabs are not Israeli citizens is that they previously chose Jordanian citizenship, and today they choose to be citizens of the Palestinian Authority. Israel is not depriving them of citizenship.

— Hirschhorn called Israel’s Nation-State law—which is supported by a wide range of Israelis from right to left and has been upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court— “the horrific Nation-State law.”

It’s one thing to express respectful disagreement with this or that Israeli law or policy. But to call the law declaring Israel a Jewish state “horrific”? It’s a “horror” that Israel wants to identify itself as Jewish? That kind of extremist language is deeply disturbing.

[To see Hirschhorn’s tweets for yourself, visit: ]

Prof. Hirschhorn has acknowledged in her tweets that Israel’s treatment of the Palestinian Arabs is not “completely parallel” to South African apartheid, and that “apartheid” should not be used as “a blanket term” concerning Israel (although her wording implies that she sees at least a partial parallel, which is a lie).

(full article online)

ADL’s ‘Anti-hate’ Speaker Accused Israel of ‘Ethnic Cleansing’ | United with Israel

Sara Yael Hirschhorn doesn’t deserve to be speaking at ADL conferences against hate when she promotes so many false and hateful smears of Israel.

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