The Right To Destroy Jewish History

[Shusha]

we live in the secular and temporal plane.

Well, WE do. Not sure where you live.

 

[danielpalos]

we live in the secular and temporal plane.

Well, WE do. Not sure where you live.

i know how to read maps, too.

 

[rylah]

 

[Sixties Fan]

Pittsburgh shooter a fan of sites that love Electronic Intifada, Max Blumenthal, Mondoweiss ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[danielpalos]

Let's create Jewish history with a State of Judea!

 

[Billo_Really]

I was not going to start a new thread on the forums, but this one seems to be a must.

I know that there are many well meaning people on these threads who want to see an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, like Coyote and many others. And then, there are those who are very ill meaning and do nothing but bash Israel and Jews over everything.

I believe that any and all, need to be reminded that this is Jewish land. It has been Jewish land for over 3000 years, and never contested by any one of its invaders and conquerors until the "dreadful day" when the Jews assumed that they could legally regain sovereignty over it and the Balfour Declaration happened and the Mandate for Palestine was to give the Jews their ancient homeland back.

We all know what has happened since 1920.

But what many do not know and do not seem to be aware of is what the people who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 have been doing to ancient places they should have been claiming as their own, for after all, do they not say that they have been on the land as the Ancient Palestinians for the past 5000, no - 6000, no - 10000 years?

Aren't these ancient places and artifacts in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria part of the Palestinian History? Then why are they destroying any and all of it?

This is what has been going on for decades. Why are the "Palestinians" destroying their alleged history?

Palestinians destroying ancient Herodian and Hashmonean antiquities - literally bulldozing Jewish history ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

We've discussed the The Temple Mount Sifting Project before:
The Temple Mount Sifting Project (formerly known as the Temple Mount Salvage Operation) is an Israeli archaeological project begun in 2005 dedicated to recovering archaeological artifacts from 400 truckloads of topsoil removed from the Temple Mount by the Waqf during the construction of the underground el-Marwani Mosque from 1996 to 1999.[1] The project is under the academic auspices of Bar Ilan University and until 2017 was funded by the Ir David Foundation and Israel Exploration Society.The destruction of so many tons of property from the Temple Mount was the biggest archaeological crime in history.

The project webpage is now warning of other large-scale destruction of Jewish history by Palestinians, ISIS-style.
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In full view of people passing on the highway 90, Palestinians are using bulldozers and other heavy equipment to destroy Second Temple-era Jewish settlements in order to build a new village.

This is all happening in Area B, under Palestinian administrative control.

Moreover, it looks like Palestinian antiquities thieves are working in the area at night to steal whatever ancient artifacts they can find to sell on the market.

The article notes that similar destruction has recently begun in the area of the Hasmonean palaces in Jericho.
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Give Area C and the former Jewish Quarter and the Temple Mount to the invading Arabs who are now calling themselves the ancient inhabitants of the land, who should be protecting their ancient history and making tourism out of it?

Which one of you would dare do so?

Does the UN have any say on the Arabs destroying other people's ancient places?
Where has UNESCO been all of this time? What is their position about the endless destruction of Jewish History? Have they not complained about ISIS destroying antiquity?

Oh, wait......they have been giving Palestinian Status to Jewish places like the Cave of the Patriarchs and Rachel's Tomb, and many other places.

I guess if the UN is in on it, then there is no hope for the Jewish people to ever get their ancient lands back, much less be allowed to freely visit those places, which is true when it comes to the Cave and the Tombs, etc, where Jews can only visit if they have a military escort.

Questions:

How can peace be achieved with the PA, the alleged partner for Peace, when it is the PA itself which allows such destruction to happen?

How can peace be achieved when destroying Israel is still in the Hamas and PLO, and Fatah charters and is taught on a daily basis to all Arabs who live in Gaza and areas A and B, and C and even in Israel?

What in the world is going to be done about the endless destruction and the want to destroy all which is Jewish on the Land of Israel, which does include all of Judea and Samaria which is the land of the Jewish People.
(I will not eve speculate what may already have been done to Jewish history in Jordan and Gaza )

DO the Arabs have the right to destroy any and all Jewish History they find and never have to answer to the rest of the world, much less to the Jewish People?

The Balfour Declaration said the Zionists could have "part" of this land, provided it didn't disenfranchise the rights of the existing indigenous, non-Jewish population. But that's not what happened. You can't move into an area and automatically have more rights than the people already living there.

Ever since the Zionist migration at the turn of the last century, you've been treating the Palestinians like garbage. Treating them like they are sub-human. Showing absolutely no empathy for what they've had to endure. And one doesn't have to go any farther than your own posts to see the total contempt and disdain you have for these people.

You want people to be nice to Israel, then stop your genocide against the Palestinians.

 

[Billo_Really]

Start your own thread on that.

You are OFF TOPIC !!!!

This is a debate website, twisted sister. You wanna talk about Jewish history, then you're gonna have to debate opposing views. And one of those opposing views is that there is no Jewish history.

 

[Mindful]

Start your own thread on that.

You are OFF TOPIC !!!!

This is a debate website, twisted sister. You wanna talk about Jewish history, then you're gonna have to debate opposing views. And one of those opposing views is that there is no Jewish history.

You don't do opposing views. You don't do any views.

 

[Shusha]

The Balfour Declaration said the Zionists could have "part" of this land, provided it didn't disenfranchise the rights of the existing indigenous, non-Jewish population.

The "part" of the land that the Jewish people were supposed to have was all of the territory that was not to become Jordan.

But that's not what happened. You can't move into an area and automatically have more rights than the people already living there.

The Jewish people don't have "more" rights. They have the same rights that are enshrined with Jordan and with Iraq and with Syria and with Lebanon. Its called sovereignty.

 

[Billo_Really]

You don't do opposing views. You don't do any views.

I oppose Israels treatment of the Palestinians. That's an opposing view. I oppose the notion there is a concerted effort to destroy Jewish history. And I definitely oppose your childish bullshit trying to make Israel look like the good guy.

 

[Billo_Really]

The "part" of the land that the Jewish people were supposed to have was all of the territory that was not to become Jordan.

You were given part of the area as long as you didn't screw with the rights of the existing population. But since you're selfish assholes, you wanted their land to.

The Jewish people don't have "more" rights. They have the same rights that are enshrined with Jordan and with Iraq and with Syria and with Lebanon. Its called sovereignty.

The Pals have rights to. You don't have sovereignty in the West Bank, so what the fuck are you doing there? You don't have sovereignty in Gaza, so why did you turn it into a prison? You don't have sovereignty in East Jerusalem, so why are you trying to take it. That's not sovereignty, that's aggression.

 

[Sixties Fan]

With the passing of 100 years since the Balfour Promise (i.e., Declaration), the message must be conveyed to the Jewish Israelis, and particularly those among them who were and still are victims of systematic fraud. We say to them with full sincerity: You are victims of a plan of fraud by the greatest colonial powers in the world, since British Foreign Secretary [Arthur] Balfour made a promise to your foreign forefathers who have no right to the land of our homeland Palestine, and until [US President Donald] Trump, who promised you to destroy our spirit, our culture, and our identity when he realized his promise to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of your state… Jewish Israelis, what you need to know is that Great Britain scorned your human value when it used your forefathers as a colonial pawn in the region. That is what Balfour did, who whispered to you unprecedented hatred and prevented you from seeking refuge in Britain during the period when you fled from the rest of Europe. All Balfour did was to export your problem to our land, and colonialist Britain did indeed succeed in using you.

(full article online)

PA daily op-ed to Jewish Israelis: “You are victims of a plan of fraud” by the “colonial powers” since Balfour “made a promise to your foreign forefathers who have no right to the land of our homeland Palestine” - Denying Israel's right to exist | PMW

 

[Sixties Fan]

Israel portrayed as foreign colonial occupier, not a legitimate state -- PA TV

The PA TV video shows a woman who represents "ancient Palestinians" (or possibly Muslims) going through the history of the land - replacing the Jewish people's actual history. The woman is introduced in a peaceful scene feeding birds in a period predating the Roman conquest of Judea and destruction of the Temple in 70 CE. Suddenly the scene is disturbed, the birds scatter and the woman runs away from various foreign invaders: first an ancient Roman soldier, then a Crusader, then a British soldier, and finally a Jew (wearing a skullcap), who throws a lit cigarette at her.
In the final scene, the woman stops fleeing when a man on a horse - the "new" Muslim conqueror Saladin who defeated the Crusaders - extends his hand and helps her up the mountain. He represents the coming savior who will "liberate Palestine" from Jewish-Israeli rule. In the end, the woman stands on the top of the mountain, fleeing no one anymore, symbolizing that Israel is gone like the other foreign rulers.

(vide video online)

 

[Shusha]

You were given part of the area as long as you didn't screw with the rights of the existing population. But since you're selfish assholes, you wanted their land to.

You have a remarkable ability to reverse the reality. Palestine was divided into a Jewish State (Israel) and an Arab State (Jordan). Arabs rejected this outcome and wanted more land. The Jewish part of Palestine was then divided again into a Jewish State (Israel) and an Arab State (Arab Palestine). Arabs rejected this outcome and wanted more land.

Arabs are now demanding that the Jewish people should have NO LAND and that it is all Arab land. Just in the past few days, someone was posting that there were NO JEWS and NO JEWISH HISTORY in the land.

If you support the idea that the Jewish people should have some part of the territory, you need to be arguing AGAINST the March of Return. You need to be arguing AGAINST the kites, the tunnels, the IEDs, the protest, the rockets and the attacks on Israeli citizens. If you support the idea that the Jewish people have rights based on their pre-existing history with the land, then you should be acknowledging that there is nothing for the people of Gaza to win with war or "resistance".

The blockade is a security measure. Security measures don't end with war and resistance.

 

[Mindful]

You were given part of the area as long as you didn't screw with the rights of the existing population. But since you're selfish assholes, you wanted their land to.

You have a remarkable ability to reverse the reality. Palestine was divided into a Jewish State (Israel) and an Arab State (Jordan). Arabs rejected this outcome and wanted more land. The Jewish part of Palestine was then divided again into a Jewish State (Israel) and an Arab State (Arab Palestine). Arabs rejected this outcome and wanted more land.

Arabs are now demanding that the Jewish people should have NO LAND and that it is all Arab land. Just in the past few days, someone was posting that there were NO JEWS and NO JEWISH HISTORY in the land.

If you support the idea that the Jewish people should have some part of the territory, you need to be arguing AGAINST the March of Return. You need to be arguing AGAINST the kites, the tunnels, the IEDs, the protest, the rockets and the attacks on Israeli citizens. If you support the idea that the Jewish people have rights based on their pre-existing history with the land, then you should be acknowledging that there is nothing for the people of Gaza to win with war or "resistance".

The blockade is a security measure. Security measures don't end with war and resistance.

Do you seriously think he understands any of that?

 

[Shusha]

Do you seriously think he understands any of that?

Oh, on the contrary. I think he understands it very well. He knows very well that everything is not actually the responsibility of the Jews. He just excuses bad behaviour against Jews because, well, ... JOOOOOS.

 

[USAF 2023]

The "part" of the land that the Jewish people were supposed to have was all of the territory that was not to become Jordan.

You were given part of the area as long as you didn't screw with the rights of the existing population. But since you're selfish assholes, you wanted their land to.

The Jewish people don't have "more" rights. They have the same rights that are enshrined with Jordan and with Iraq and with Syria and with Lebanon. Its called sovereignty.

The Pals have rights to. You don't have sovereignty in the West Bank, so what the fuck are you doing there? You don't have sovereignty in Gaza, so why did you turn it into a prison? You don't have sovereignty in East Jerusalem, so why are you trying to take it. That's not sovereignty, that's aggression.

You are such a FUCKING ASSHOLE you don’t realize they consider ALL of Israel “ Palestine “

 

[Mindful]

Do you seriously think he understands any of that?

Oh, on the contrary. I think he understands it very well. He knows very well that everything is not actually the responsibility of the Jews. He just excuses bad behaviour against Jews because, well, ... JOOOOOS.

He sounds like a dimwit to me. Or a blithering idiot.

Just look at that maniacal grin.

 

[USAF 2023]

You were given part of the area as long as you didn't screw with the rights of the existing population. But since you're selfish assholes, you wanted their land to.

You have a remarkable ability to reverse the reality. Palestine was divided into a Jewish State (Israel) and an Arab State (Jordan). Arabs rejected this outcome and wanted more land. The Jewish part of Palestine was then divided again into a Jewish State (Israel) and an Arab State (Arab Palestine). Arabs rejected this outcome and wanted more land.

Arabs are now demanding that the Jewish people should have NO LAND and that it is all Arab land. Just in the past few days, someone was posting that there were NO JEWS and NO JEWISH HISTORY in the land.

If you support the idea that the Jewish people should have some part of the territory, you need to be arguing AGAINST the March of Return. You need to be arguing AGAINST the kites, the tunnels, the IEDs, the protest, the rockets and the attacks on Israeli citizens. If you support the idea that the Jewish people have rights based on their pre-existing history with the land, then you should be acknowledging that there is nothing for the people of Gaza to win with war or "resistance".

The blockade is a security measure. Security measures don't end with war and resistance.

It was me. I posted a link in which Abbas stated that the Jews did not have any Historical Connection to Israel. The FUCK FACE apparently is unaware of this

 

[Billo_Really]

You have a remarkable ability to reverse the reality. Palestine was divided into a Jewish State (Israel) and an Arab State (Jordan). Arabs rejected this outcome and wanted more land. The Jewish part of Palestine was then divided again into a Jewish State (Israel) and an Arab State (Arab Palestine). Arabs rejected this outcome and wanted more land.

Arabs are now demanding that the Jewish people should have NO LAND and that it is all Arab land. Just in the past few days, someone was posting that there were NO JEWS and NO JEWISH HISTORY in the land.

If you support the idea that the Jewish people should have some part of the territory, you need to be arguing AGAINST the March of Return. You need to be arguing AGAINST the kites, the tunnels, the IEDs, the protest, the rockets and the attacks on Israeli citizens. If you support the idea that the Jewish people have rights based on their pre-existing history with the land, then you should be acknowledging that there is nothing for the people of Gaza to win with war or "resistance".

The blockade is a security measure. Security measures don't end with war and resistance.

At the time of the Zionist migration, Palestinian-Arabs were the majority population. But because Zionists kissed major British ass at the time, the Mandate came in and gave 70% of the land, to 10% of the population. What Arab would agree to that?

As far as the March of Return, if you can return after 3000 years, they can return after 70 years.

And no, the blockade has nothing to do with security. It is to punish Gazans for voting for Hamas in a fair and democratic election. The blockade is "collective punishment" on a population of 1.5 million people. And THAT, is a war crime.