The Right To Bear Arms

Wow, you really did skip English grammar and punctuation. Even more amusing is that you seem to relish boasting about your ignorance. Well, whatever floats your boat!

Says the guy with only ad hominems instead of valid arguments.

How is this an "ad hominem" argument?

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Argumentum ad hominem is a fallacy. You need a valid argument for rebuttal.

The English language, grammar and punctuation is NOT a valid argument? You really did skip grammar and punctuation in school, didn't you? But now you profess to be an authority on the English language? Really?
Yes, it is when you merely claim your unsubstantiated opinion without supporting it with a valid argument.

Where does it say you can ignore the first clause due to a comma?
You're an idiot.
 
If anything, in a world where mobs are burning down cities and threatening people in their cars and homes, idiot politicians are defunding police departments and police officers quitting and leaving the big cities in mass — the Second Amendment is more meaningful and important today than it has been during my lifetime.

Plus we have democrats seriously planning to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise. If that happens don’t think Norway {which is not a socialist nation,)think Cuba or Venezuela or China and Russia.

Citizens in Venezuela regret giving up their firearms.


The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b)The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
 
Wow, you really did skip English grammar and punctuation. Even more amusing is that you seem to relish boasting about your ignorance. Well, whatever floats your boat!

Says the guy with only ad hominems instead of valid arguments.

How is this an "ad hominem" argument?

i-VbXqvcH-L.jpg
Argumentum ad hominem is a fallacy. You need a valid argument for rebuttal.

The English language, grammar and punctuation is NOT a valid argument? You really did skip grammar and punctuation in school, didn't you? But now you profess to be an authority on the English language? Really?
Yes, it is when you merely claim your unsubstantiated opinion without supporting it with a valid argument.

Where does it say you can ignore the first clause due to a comma?
You're an idiot.
You are full of fallacy; why should I care what judgemental fullers of fallacy allege in public venues?
 
If anything, in a world where mobs are burning down cities and threatening people in their cars and homes, idiot politicians are defunding police departments and police officers quitting and leaving the big cities in mass — the Second Amendment is more meaningful and important today than it has been during my lifetime.

Plus we have democrats seriously planning to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise. If that happens don’t think Norway {which is not a socialist nation,)think Cuba or Venezuela or China and Russia.

Citizens in Venezuela regret giving up their firearms.


The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b)The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Women have the franchise now.
 
Wow, you really did skip English grammar and punctuation. Even more amusing is that you seem to relish boasting about your ignorance. Well, whatever floats your boat!

Says the guy with only ad hominems instead of valid arguments.

How is this an "ad hominem" argument?

i-VbXqvcH-L.jpg
Argumentum ad hominem is a fallacy. You need a valid argument for rebuttal.

The English language, grammar and punctuation is NOT a valid argument? You really did skip grammar and punctuation in school, didn't you? But now you profess to be an authority on the English language? Really?
Yes, it is when you merely claim your unsubstantiated opinion without supporting it with a valid argument.

Where does it say you can ignore the first clause due to a comma?
Who is ignoring the first clause?

You're ignoring the purpose of the first clause and giving it some meaning that it does not have. Further ignoring the second clause. Your interpretation of the entire amendment requires you to resign weird meaning to each word.

My interpretation is quite plain and requires no twisted tortured interpretation.

A well-regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state.

The word "being" is a form of the verb "is." You know, am, is, are, was, were, be, being, been, become, feel, seem.

A well regulated militia IS necessary for the security of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and....etc.

in other words, to keep the states free, they need to be able to organize a militia in times of emergency. Because that militia is drawn from the entire population, and because of past practices of having private citizens bring their own arms to participate in a militia, we (the federal government) will not exercise authority over any aspect of private citizens keeping their private arms so that they can bear them at a time of need.

Simple. Practicable. Applicable. Does not require a tortured interpretation.

Why do you motherfuckers have to complicate the fuck out of everything when you know history and you know good and goddamn well what the intent was?

Why don't you motherfuckers just fucking admit exactly what we have been saying? You want to deprive us of the right to keep and bear arms and you are trying to interpret the Constitution in a way so that you can.

Do you understand that anybody who does that is a traitor and an enemy of the United States and its people.?
 
If anything, in a world where mobs are burning down cities and threatening people in their cars and homes, idiot politicians are defunding police departments and police officers quitting and leaving the big cities in mass — the Second Amendment is more meaningful and important today than it has been during my lifetime.

Plus we have democrats seriously planning to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise. If that happens don’t think Norway {which is not a socialist nation,)think Cuba or Venezuela or China and Russia.

Citizens in Venezuela regret giving up their firearms.


The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b)The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Women have the franchise now.
So the militia will consist of all able bodied men and women under the age of 45? I wonder if exceptions will be made for pregnant women and mothers?
 
If anything, in a world where mobs are burning down cities and threatening people in their cars and homes, idiot politicians are defunding police departments and police officers quitting and leaving the big cities in mass — the Second Amendment is more meaningful and important today than it has been during my lifetime.

Plus we have democrats seriously planning to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise. If that happens don’t think Norway {which is not a socialist nation,)think Cuba or Venezuela or China and Russia.

Citizens in Venezuela regret giving up their firearms.


The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

A large number of police are quitting because they get no support from the cities that employ them. It is becoming hard to find anyone who wants to be a cop.

Perhaps the state will have to form militia groups separate from the National Guard to help keep the peace.

We can’t continue to see our cities burn every time a cop kills a black male. The cost of insurance for an urban business will be so high few except the largest corporations can afford it.
 
If anything, in a world where mobs are burning down cities and threatening people in their cars and homes, idiot politicians are defunding police departments and police officers quitting and leaving the big cities in mass — the Second Amendment is more meaningful and important today than it has been during my lifetime.

Plus we have democrats seriously planning to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise. If that happens don’t think Norway {which is not a socialist nation,)think Cuba or Venezuela or China and Russia.

Citizens in Venezuela regret giving up their firearms.


The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

A large number of police are quitting because they get no support from the cities that employ them. It is becoming hard to find anyone who wants to be a cop.

Perhaps the state will have to form militia groups separate from the National Guard to help keep the peace.

We can’t continue to see our cities burn every time a cop kills a black male. The cost of insurance for an urban business will be so high few except the largest corporations can afford it.
Here’s an idea. Stop killing unarmed black males
 
Wow, you really did skip English grammar and punctuation. Even more amusing is that you seem to relish boasting about your ignorance. Well, whatever floats your boat!

Says the guy with only ad hominems instead of valid arguments.

How is this an "ad hominem" argument?

i-VbXqvcH-L.jpg
Argumentum ad hominem is a fallacy. You need a valid argument for rebuttal.

The English language, grammar and punctuation is NOT a valid argument? You really did skip grammar and punctuation in school, didn't you? But now you profess to be an authority on the English language? Really?
Yes, it is when you merely claim your unsubstantiated opinion without supporting it with a valid argument.

Where does it say you can ignore the first clause due to a comma?
Who is ignoring the first clause?

You're ignoring the purpose of the first clause and giving it some meaning that it does not have. Further ignoring the second clause. Your interpretation of the entire amendment requires you to resign weird meaning to each word.

My interpretation is quite plain and requires no twisted tortured interpretation.

A well-regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state.

The word "being" is a form of the verb "is." You know, am, is, are, was, were, be, being, been, become, feel, seem.

A well regulated militia IS necessary for the security of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and....etc.

in other words, to keep the states free, they need to be able to organize a militia in times of emergency. Because that militia is drawn from the entire population, and because of past practices of having private citizens bring their own arms to participate in a militia, we (the federal government) will not exercise authority over any aspect of private citizens keeping their private arms so that they can bear them at a time of need.

Simple. Practicable. Applicable. Does not require a tortured interpretation.

Why do you motherfuckers have to complicate the fuck out of everything when you know history and you know good and goddamn well what the intent was?

Why don't you motherfuckers just fucking admit exactly what we have been saying? You want to deprive us of the right to keep and bear arms and you are trying to interpret the Constitution in a way so that you can.

Do you understand that anybody who does that is a traitor and an enemy of the United States and its people.?
I understand you simply know nothing about the law. You cannot ignore the first clause. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law.
 
If anything, in a world where mobs are burning down cities and threatening people in their cars and homes, idiot politicians are defunding police departments and police officers quitting and leaving the big cities in mass — the Second Amendment is more meaningful and important today than it has been during my lifetime.

Plus we have democrats seriously planning to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise. If that happens don’t think Norway {which is not a socialist nation,)think Cuba or Venezuela or China and Russia.

Citizens in Venezuela regret giving up their firearms.


The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b)The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Women have the franchise now.
So the militia will consist of all able bodied men and women under the age of 45? I wonder if exceptions will be made for pregnant women and mothers?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

It is up to the legislature to ensure valid rules are established; there must be some exemptions for service. No one in a coma or in the hospital or even simply sick with the flu should be required to become organized and well regulated without the end justifying the means.
 
If anything, in a world where mobs are burning down cities and threatening people in their cars and homes, idiot politicians are defunding police departments and police officers quitting and leaving the big cities in mass — the Second Amendment is more meaningful and important today than it has been during my lifetime.

Plus we have democrats seriously planning to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise. If that happens don’t think Norway {which is not a socialist nation,)think Cuba or Venezuela or China and Russia.

Citizens in Venezuela regret giving up their firearms.


The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

A large number of police are quitting because they get no support from the cities that employ them. It is becoming hard to find anyone who wants to be a cop.

Perhaps the state will have to form militia groups separate from the National Guard to help keep the peace.

We can’t continue to see our cities burn every time a cop kills a black male. The cost of insurance for an urban business will be so high few except the largest corporations can afford it.
Insist our legislators do their (paid) Job.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
 
If anything, in a world where mobs are burning down cities and threatening people in their cars and homes, idiot politicians are defunding police departments and police officers quitting and leaving the big cities in mass — the Second Amendment is more meaningful and important today than it has been during my lifetime.

Plus we have democrats seriously planning to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise. If that happens don’t think Norway {which is not a socialist nation,)think Cuba or Venezuela or China and Russia.

Citizens in Venezuela regret giving up their firearms.


The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

A large number of police are quitting because they get no support from the cities that employ them. It is becoming hard to find anyone who wants to be a cop.

Perhaps the state will have to form militia groups separate from the National Guard to help keep the peace.

We can’t continue to see our cities burn every time a cop kills a black male. The cost of insurance for an urban business will be so high few except the largest corporations can afford it.
Insist our legislators do their (paid) Job.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
Which means then that all persons of the state need to be armed, which of course means...........

That all persons have the right to bear arms and the federal government cannot infringe on that?
 
If anything, in a world where mobs are burning down cities and threatening people in their cars and homes, idiot politicians are defunding police departments and police officers quitting and leaving the big cities in mass — the Second Amendment is more meaningful and important today than it has been during my lifetime.

Plus we have democrats seriously planning to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise. If that happens don’t think Norway {which is not a socialist nation,)think Cuba or Venezuela or China and Russia.

Citizens in Venezuela regret giving up their firearms.


The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

A large number of police are quitting because they get no support from the cities that employ them. It is becoming hard to find anyone who wants to be a cop.

Perhaps the state will have to form militia groups separate from the National Guard to help keep the peace.

We can’t continue to see our cities burn every time a cop kills a black male. The cost of insurance for an urban business will be so high few except the largest corporations can afford it.
Insist our legislators do their (paid) Job.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
Which means then that all persons of the state need to be armed, which of course means...........

That all persons have the right to bear arms and the federal government cannot infringe on that?
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia

There is no appeal to ignorance of express law.
 
I understand you simply know nothing about the law. You cannot ignore the first clause. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law.
Scalia did just that, claiming that the "preferatory clause" was merely rhetorical throat clearing.

Of course he did this because he knew he needed to decouple the militia from the 2A if his judicial activism was going to make ANY sense at all.
 
If anything, in a world where mobs are burning down cities and threatening people in their cars and homes, idiot politicians are defunding police departments and police officers quitting and leaving the big cities in mass — the Second Amendment is more meaningful and important today than it has been during my lifetime.

Plus we have democrats seriously planning to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise. If that happens don’t think Norway {which is not a socialist nation,)think Cuba or Venezuela or China and Russia.

Citizens in Venezuela regret giving up their firearms.


The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

A large number of police are quitting because they get no support from the cities that employ them. It is becoming hard to find anyone who wants to be a cop.

Perhaps the state will have to form militia groups separate from the National Guard to help keep the peace.

We can’t continue to see our cities burn every time a cop kills a black male. The cost of insurance for an urban business will be so high few except the largest corporations can afford it.
Insist our legislators do their (paid) Job.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
Which means then that all persons of the state need to be armed, which of course means...........

That all persons have the right to bear arms and the federal government cannot infringe on that?
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia

There is no appeal to ignorance of express law.
Oh, so you're saying that the government owes me some weapons?
 
Wow, you really did skip English grammar and punctuation. Even more amusing is that you seem to relish boasting about your ignorance. Well, whatever floats your boat!

Says the guy with only ad hominems instead of valid arguments.

How is this an "ad hominem" argument?

i-VbXqvcH-L.jpg
Argumentum ad hominem is a fallacy. You need a valid argument for rebuttal.

The English language, grammar and punctuation is NOT a valid argument? You really did skip grammar and punctuation in school, didn't you? But now you profess to be an authority on the English language? Really?
Yes, it is when you merely claim your unsubstantiated opinion without supporting it with a valid argument.

Where does it say you can ignore the first clause due to a comma?
Who is ignoring the first clause?

You're ignoring the purpose of the first clause and giving it some meaning that it does not have. Further ignoring the second clause. Your interpretation of the entire amendment requires you to resign weird meaning to each word.

My interpretation is quite plain and requires no twisted tortured interpretation.

A well-regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state.

The word "being" is a form of the verb "is." You know, am, is, are, was, were, be, being, been, become, feel, seem.

A well regulated militia IS necessary for the security of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and....etc.

in other words, to keep the states free, they need to be able to organize a militia in times of emergency. Because that militia is drawn from the entire population, and because of past practices of having private citizens bring their own arms to participate in a militia, we (the federal government) will not exercise authority over any aspect of private citizens keeping their private arms so that they can bear them at a time of need.

Simple. Practicable. Applicable. Does not require a tortured interpretation.

Why do you motherfuckers have to complicate the fuck out of everything when you know history and you know good and goddamn well what the intent was?

Why don't you motherfuckers just fucking admit exactly what we have been saying? You want to deprive us of the right to keep and bear arms and you are trying to interpret the Constitution in a way so that you can.

Do you understand that anybody who does that is a traitor and an enemy of the United States and its people.?
I understand you simply know nothing about the law. You cannot ignore the first clause. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law.

The first clause of the 2nd Amendment gives A reason why there should be no federal firearm laws.
But in no way does that at all suggest it is the ONLY reason why there should be no federal firearm laws.
 
I understand you simply know nothing about the law. You cannot ignore the first clause. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law.
Scalia did just that, claiming that the "preferatory clause" was merely rhetorical throat clearing.

Of course he did this because he knew he needed to decouple the militia from the 2A if his judicial activism was going to make ANY sense at all.
Our Tenth Amendment applies since that Court has no good explanation for why they Chose to ignore the rules of construction and sacrifice the end to the means in that ruling.
 
Wow, you really did skip English grammar and punctuation. Even more amusing is that you seem to relish boasting about your ignorance. Well, whatever floats your boat!

Says the guy with only ad hominems instead of valid arguments.

How is this an "ad hominem" argument?

i-VbXqvcH-L.jpg
Argumentum ad hominem is a fallacy. You need a valid argument for rebuttal.

The English language, grammar and punctuation is NOT a valid argument? You really did skip grammar and punctuation in school, didn't you? But now you profess to be an authority on the English language? Really?
Yes, it is when you merely claim your unsubstantiated opinion without supporting it with a valid argument.

Where does it say you can ignore the first clause due to a comma?
Who is ignoring the first clause?

You're ignoring the purpose of the first clause and giving it some meaning that it does not have. Further ignoring the second clause. Your interpretation of the entire amendment requires you to resign weird meaning to each word.

My interpretation is quite plain and requires no twisted tortured interpretation.

A well-regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state.

The word "being" is a form of the verb "is." You know, am, is, are, was, were, be, being, been, become, feel, seem.

A well regulated militia IS necessary for the security of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and....etc.

in other words, to keep the states free, they need to be able to organize a militia in times of emergency. Because that militia is drawn from the entire population, and because of past practices of having private citizens bring their own arms to participate in a militia, we (the federal government) will not exercise authority over any aspect of private citizens keeping their private arms so that they can bear them at a time of need.

Simple. Practicable. Applicable. Does not require a tortured interpretation.

Why do you motherfuckers have to complicate the fuck out of everything when you know history and you know good and goddamn well what the intent was?

Why don't you motherfuckers just fucking admit exactly what we have been saying? You want to deprive us of the right to keep and bear arms and you are trying to interpret the Constitution in a way so that you can.

Do you understand that anybody who does that is a traitor and an enemy of the United States and its people.?
I understand you simply know nothing about the law. You cannot ignore the first clause. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law.

The first clause of the 2nd Amendment gives A reason why there should be no federal firearm laws.
But in no way does that at all suggest it is the ONLY reason why there should be no federal firearm laws.
I agree that the Intent and Purpose clause cannot be ignored or separated from that which it limits.
 

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