The Real Problem Politicians Face If They are Republicans...

[Wilbur Right]

The problem with being a Republican today is that they got the shit kicked out of them in the past two Presidential election..........and cant figure out how the **** that happened.

Ole Ray is still trying to save Romneys campaign. LMAO

And when they (repubs) get the shit kicked out of them again next year, they will really be cornfused........and all butt hurt......again.

 

[rightwinger]

Thinking about how strange Politics are these days....

The Democrats smeared Gingrich for having a girlfriend when he was married but are eager as all get out to get the King of Infidelity back in the White House as the First Man. Won't call him a gentleman.

Then there was Romney who was smeared for being a Mormon when many wonder just what religion of hate the president has. Of course, he was probably one of the richest candidates, ignoring the fact that Kennedy and the Clinton's who get their money from foreign countries to fund the "Clinton Initiative," are Democrats.

Of course you just have to read the threads and you can see how the Democrats absolutely hate Trump, and it's ironic. They hate him for his honesty while fawning over the Secretary of Lies, Hillary and the president who is tying her on the farces they tell.

So we finally have a candidate who isn't cheating on his wife, is not part of a fringe religion, is well off, certainly so well off, he could be the first politician that isn't bought off.

But that's not good either. By chance the real problem is the "R" after his name?

Gingrich was slammed for his witch hunt against Clinton's infidelity at the same time he was cheating on his wife
Trump is on his third arm candy wife, he dumps them when they get too old

 

[konradv]

Of course it's not good enough. I'm no Romney fan, but look at his accomplishments in life: A guy who never used recreational narcotics, tobacco or alcohol. A family man who again, never cheated on his wife. A humanitarian who spent his early years helping others. A successful man who became a self-made millionaire. A non-partisan man who voted for and implemented many liberal policies. A generous man who donated millions to his religion and various other charities. So what did liberals have to say about his legacy? He tied his dog cage to the roof of his car when he took the family on vacation.

It's nothing new. Christian conservatives went for Reagan, who rarely went to church, over Carter, a born-again Christian who went all the time.

 

[konradv]

Gingrich was slammed for his witch hunt against Clinton's infidelity at the same time he was cheating on his wife. Trump is on his third arm candy wife, he dumps them when they get too old

I think it's significant that the shortest of his marriages was with the AMERICAN, who knew better and would only take his shit for so long. The other two were basically mail order brides, willing to put up with anything to escape Eastern Europe.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Thinking about how strange Politics are these days....

The Democrats smeared Gingrich for having a girlfriend when he was married but are eager as all get out to get the King of Infidelity back in the White House as the First Man. Won't call him a gentleman.

Then there was Romney who was smeared for being a Mormon when many wonder just what religion of hate the president has. Of course, he was probably one of the richest candidates, ignoring the fact that Kennedy and the Clinton's who get their money from foreign countries to fund the "Clinton Initiative," are Democrats.

Of course you just have to read the threads and you can see how the Democrats absolutely hate Trump, and it's ironic. They hate him for his honesty while fawning over the Secretary of Lies, Hillary and the president who is tying her on the farces they tell.

So we finally have a candidate who isn't cheating on his wife, is not part of a fringe religion, is well off, certainly so well off, he could be the first politician that isn't bought off.

But that's not good either. By chance the real problem is the "R" after his name?

1. no one smeared gingrich. gingrich got what he deserve for leading the impeachment against bill clinton for less than his own actions.

2. other christians were concerned about romney being a mormon. no one "smeared" him.

3. trump is a vile bigot and an embarrassment to the GOP who people have every reason to judge as such.

and the fact that you object to him rightfully being called what he is... is your problem. it doesn't mean republicans are set upon.

of course, you're projecting rightwingnut treatment of democrats onto us... typical winger behavior.

you won't win until you stop picking extremist candidates who made anyone who isn't an old white christian male gag.

1. Clinton didn't get into trouble for screwing around on Hillary. Clinton got into trouble for lying and trying to avoid doing the proper thing like admitting fault and apologizing to a victim he made a sexual advancement towards.

2. How can anybody with even the slightest sense of logic say that the Democrats didn't smear Romney; blaming him because an employee lost a spouse to illness while she worked at a company he was in charge of; going on vacation with his dog carrier tied to his roof; going all the way back to his high school days where he played a harmless prank on a fellow classmate? Christians didn't smear him, the Commies and Liberals did.

3. Talk about extremists, your number 2 candidate is an admitted Socialist. But unlike most other Democrats, at least he's honest about it.

1. True.
2. Romney wasn't smeared. The ad you're talking about (that never ran) actually is what happens when large corporations take over smaller ones; workers are quite often downsized, they lose their insurance and if you're not insured in this day and age, you are out of luck medically. Meanwhile, companies like Bain seek to please investors only. Is it wrong or illegal? No. Is it palatable to the American public. No. If you're goal is to be thought of as an effective CEO, you'e doing great. If you're goal is to become President, cruelty doesn't play well. I think you guys will find that out if Trump is your nominee. As for the dog and the "harmless prank", typical stuff that happens during campaigns. All of it pales to calling Obama a Muslim and that he wasn't born in the US.

3. The #2 candidate is a zero factor.

For one, the woman in question had her own insurance if I remember correctly, so it had nothing to do with Romney's management of the company. Two, downsizing is a common practice when it comes to saving companies. Cut pay, layoff workers, eliminate benefits, take whatever steps are necessary to save the company. Would you rather see some workers lose their benefits or jobs or would you rather see the entire company close down and everybody lose their jobs and benefits?

DumBama a Muslim? Certainly that can be in question. His claim is that he's a Christian, but doesn't follow the Christian faith. Christians are strongly against abortion yet alone somebody that had the ability to make law promoting it.

 

[rightwinger]

Thinking about how strange Politics are these days....

The Democrats smeared Gingrich for having a girlfriend when he was married but are eager as all get out to get the King of Infidelity back in the White House as the First Man. Won't call him a gentleman.

Then there was Romney who was smeared for being a Mormon when many wonder just what religion of hate the president has. Of course, he was probably one of the richest candidates, ignoring the fact that Kennedy and the Clinton's who get their money from foreign countries to fund the "Clinton Initiative," are Democrats.

Of course you just have to read the threads and you can see how the Democrats absolutely hate Trump, and it's ironic. They hate him for his honesty while fawning over the Secretary of Lies, Hillary and the president who is tying her on the farces they tell.

So we finally have a candidate who isn't cheating on his wife, is not part of a fringe religion, is well off, certainly so well off, he could be the first politician that isn't bought off.

But that's not good either. By chance the real problem is the "R" after his name?

1. no one smeared gingrich. gingrich got what he deserve for leading the impeachment against bill clinton for less than his own actions.

2. other christians were concerned about romney being a mormon. no one "smeared" him.

3. trump is a vile bigot and an embarrassment to the GOP who people have every reason to judge as such.

and the fact that you object to him rightfully being called what he is... is your problem. it doesn't mean republicans are set upon.

of course, you're projecting rightwingnut treatment of democrats onto us... typical winger behavior.

you won't win until you stop picking extremist candidates who made anyone who isn't an old white christian male gag.

1. Clinton didn't get into trouble for screwing around on Hillary. Clinton got into trouble for lying and trying to avoid doing the proper thing like admitting fault and apologizing to a victim he made a sexual advancement towards.

2. How can anybody with even the slightest sense of logic say that the Democrats didn't smear Romney; blaming him because an employee lost a spouse to illness while she worked at a company he was in charge of; going on vacation with his dog carrier tied to his roof; going all the way back to his high school days where he played a harmless prank on a fellow classmate? Christians didn't smear him, the Commies and Liberals did.

3. Talk about extremists, your number 2 candidate is an admitted Socialist. But unlike most other Democrats, at least he's honest about it.

Democrats never smeared Romney for being a Mormon....that came from the Christian Right
The other attacks were just normal politics and fairly benign

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Of course it's not good enough. I'm no Romney fan, but look at his accomplishments in life: A guy who never used recreational narcotics, tobacco or alcohol. A family man who again, never cheated on his wife. A humanitarian who spent his early years helping others. A successful man who became a self-made millionaire. A non-partisan man who voted for and implemented many liberal policies. A generous man who donated millions to his religion and various other charities. So what did liberals have to say about his legacy? He tied his dog cage to the roof of his car when he took the family on vacation.

It's nothing new. Christian conservatives went for Reagan, who rarely went to church, over Carter, a born-again Christian who went all the time.

Reagan felt that his attendance at services would be disruptive to the other church goers, so opted to stay home during his presidency. I can't remember the last time I've heard of DumBama going to church. Nobody ever makes a big deal out of it because like Reagan, he probably figured it would be too much of a problem for the public.

 

[Freewill]

Thinking about how strange Politics are these days....

The Democrats smeared Gingrich for having a girlfriend when he was married but are eager as all get out to get the King of Infidelity back in the White House as the First Man. Won't call him a gentleman.

Then there was Romney who was smeared for being a Mormon when many wonder just what religion of hate the president has. Of course, he was probably one of the richest candidates, ignoring the fact that Kennedy and the Clinton's who get their money from foreign countries to fund the "Clinton Initiative," are Democrats.

Of course you just have to read the threads and you can see how the Democrats absolutely hate Trump, and it's ironic. They hate him for his honesty while fawning over the Secretary of Lies, Hillary and the president who is tying her on the farces they tell.

So we finally have a candidate who isn't cheating on his wife, is not part of a fringe religion, is well off, certainly so well off, he could be the first politician that isn't bought off.

But that's not good either. By chance the real problem is the "R" after his name?

1. no one smeared gingrich. gingrich got what he deserve for leading the impeachment against bill clinton for less than his own actions.

2. other christians were concerned about romney being a mormon. no one "smeared" him.

3. trump is a vile bigot and an embarrassment to the GOP who people have every reason to judge as such.

and the fact that you object to him rightfully being called what he is... is your problem. it doesn't mean republicans are set upon.

of course, you're projecting rightwingnut treatment of democrats onto us... typical winger behavior.

you won't win until you stop picking extremist candidates who made anyone who isn't an old white christian male gag.

1. Clinton didn't get into trouble for screwing around on Hillary. Clinton got into trouble for lying and trying to avoid doing the proper thing like admitting fault and apologizing to a victim he made a sexual advancement towards.

2. How can anybody with even the slightest sense of logic say that the Democrats didn't smear Romney; blaming him because an employee lost a spouse to illness while she worked at a company he was in charge of; going on vacation with his dog carrier tied to his roof; going all the way back to his high school days where he played a harmless prank on a fellow classmate? Christians didn't smear him, the Commies and Liberals did.

3. Talk about extremists, your number 2 candidate is an admitted Socialist. But unlike most other Democrats, at least he's honest about it.

Democrats never smeared Romney for being a Mormon....that came from the Christian Right
The other attacks were just normal politics and fairly benign

Total made up BS.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Thinking about how strange Politics are these days....

The Democrats smeared Gingrich for having a girlfriend when he was married but are eager as all get out to get the King of Infidelity back in the White House as the First Man. Won't call him a gentleman.

Then there was Romney who was smeared for being a Mormon when many wonder just what religion of hate the president has. Of course, he was probably one of the richest candidates, ignoring the fact that Kennedy and the Clinton's who get their money from foreign countries to fund the "Clinton Initiative," are Democrats.

Of course you just have to read the threads and you can see how the Democrats absolutely hate Trump, and it's ironic. They hate him for his honesty while fawning over the Secretary of Lies, Hillary and the president who is tying her on the farces they tell.

So we finally have a candidate who isn't cheating on his wife, is not part of a fringe religion, is well off, certainly so well off, he could be the first politician that isn't bought off.

But that's not good either. By chance the real problem is the "R" after his name?

1. no one smeared gingrich. gingrich got what he deserve for leading the impeachment against bill clinton for less than his own actions.

2. other christians were concerned about romney being a mormon. no one "smeared" him.

3. trump is a vile bigot and an embarrassment to the GOP who people have every reason to judge as such.

and the fact that you object to him rightfully being called what he is... is your problem. it doesn't mean republicans are set upon.

of course, you're projecting rightwingnut treatment of democrats onto us... typical winger behavior.

you won't win until you stop picking extremist candidates who made anyone who isn't an old white christian male gag.

1. Clinton didn't get into trouble for screwing around on Hillary. Clinton got into trouble for lying and trying to avoid doing the proper thing like admitting fault and apologizing to a victim he made a sexual advancement towards.

2. How can anybody with even the slightest sense of logic say that the Democrats didn't smear Romney; blaming him because an employee lost a spouse to illness while she worked at a company he was in charge of; going on vacation with his dog carrier tied to his roof; going all the way back to his high school days where he played a harmless prank on a fellow classmate? Christians didn't smear him, the Commies and Liberals did.

3. Talk about extremists, your number 2 candidate is an admitted Socialist. But unlike most other Democrats, at least he's honest about it.

Democrats never smeared Romney for being a Mormon....that came from the Christian Right
The other attacks were just normal politics and fairly benign

So you have any examples of "Christian right" people slamming Romney?

I never said that Romney was smeared because of his religion by Democrats, my point is that Romney was smeared for being Romney. The other point being that you couldn't find a cleaner-cut candidate than Romney, and Democrats still attacked him on a personal basis.

 

[rightwinger]

Of course it's not good enough. I'm no Romney fan, but look at his accomplishments in life: A guy who never used recreational narcotics, tobacco or alcohol. A family man who again, never cheated on his wife. A humanitarian who spent his early years helping others. A successful man who became a self-made millionaire. A non-partisan man who voted for and implemented many liberal policies. A generous man who donated millions to his religion and various other charities. So what did liberals have to say about his legacy? He tied his dog cage to the roof of his car when he took the family on vacation.

It's nothing new. Christian conservatives went for Reagan, who rarely went to church, over Carter, a born-again Christian who went all the time.

Reagan felt that his attendance at services would be disruptive to the other church goers, so opted to stay home during his presidency. I can't remember the last time I've heard of DumBama going to church. Nobody ever makes a big deal out of it because like Reagan, he probably figured it would be too much of a problem for the public.

Come on Ray......you really believe that shit about Reagan?

Presidents have attended services for 200 years if they wanted to attend. There is no indication Reagan was a churchgoer before or after he was president

 

[rightwinger]

Gingrich was slammed for his witch hunt against Clinton's infidelity at the same time he was cheating on his wife. Trump is on his third arm candy wife, he dumps them when they get too old

I think it's significant that the shortest of his marriages was with the AMERICAN, who knew better and would only take his shit for so long. The other two were basically mail order brides, willing to put up with anything to escape Eastern Europe.

I'm surprised Trumps lack of family values hasn't been attacked. Ivana Trump was the only one with any intelligence. She got dumped when she got too old
Melania? The equivalent of a Hooters girl as First Lady

 

[konradv]

Reagan felt that his attendance at services would be disruptive to the other church goers, so opted to stay home during his presidency. I can't remember the last time I've heard of DumBama going to church. Nobody ever makes a big deal out of it because like Reagan, he probably figured it would be too much of a problem for the public.

We're talking about BEFORE he was president. You know, when CARTER was in office.

 

[konradv]

So you have any examples of "Christian right" people slamming Romney?

Some of the more extreme factions of the Christian right hate Mormons for the same reason they don't like Catholics. They don't think they're real Christians.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Of course it's not good enough. I'm no Romney fan, but look at his accomplishments in life: A guy who never used recreational narcotics, tobacco or alcohol. A family man who again, never cheated on his wife. A humanitarian who spent his early years helping others. A successful man who became a self-made millionaire. A non-partisan man who voted for and implemented many liberal policies. A generous man who donated millions to his religion and various other charities. So what did liberals have to say about his legacy? He tied his dog cage to the roof of his car when he took the family on vacation.

It's nothing new. Christian conservatives went for Reagan, who rarely went to church, over Carter, a born-again Christian who went all the time.

Reagan felt that his attendance at services would be disruptive to the other church goers, so opted to stay home during his presidency. I can't remember the last time I've heard of DumBama going to church. Nobody ever makes a big deal out of it because like Reagan, he probably figured it would be too much of a problem for the public.

Come on Ray......you really believe that shit about Reagan?

Presidents have attended services for 200 years if they wanted to attend. There is no indication Reagan was a churchgoer before or after he was president

Ronald Reagan on Why He Does Not Attend Church in First Reagan-Mondale Presidential Debate
Ronald Reagan
October 7, 1984

I have gone to church regularly all my life, and I started to here in Washington. And now, in the position I hold and in the world in which we live, where Embassies do get blown up in Beirut [...] but I pose a threat to several hundred people if I go to church. I know the threats that are made against me. We all know the possibility of terrorism. We have seen the barricades that have had to be built around the White House. And, therefore, I don't feel—and my minister knows this and supports me in this position—I don't feel that I have a right to go to church, knowing that my being there could cause something of the kind that we have seen in other places, in Beirut, for example. And I miss going to church, but I think the Lord understands.

Ronald Reagan on Why He Does Not Attend Church in First Reagan-Mondale Presidential Debate

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So you have any examples of "Christian right" people slamming Romney?

Some of the more extreme factions of the Christian right hate Mormons for the same reason they don't like Catholics. They don't think they're real Christians.

That's a religious debate, not a political one. Of course different religions have different opinions about other religions. But nobody on the so-called Christian right slammed Romney because of his religion to my knowledge. And again, my point was not on his religion, my point was about Romney as a human being and a man.

 

[candycorn]

Thinking about how strange Politics are these days....

The Democrats smeared Gingrich for having a girlfriend when he was married but are eager as all get out to get the King of Infidelity back in the White House as the First Man. Won't call him a gentleman.

Then there was Romney who was smeared for being a Mormon when many wonder just what religion of hate the president has. Of course, he was probably one of the richest candidates, ignoring the fact that Kennedy and the Clinton's who get their money from foreign countries to fund the "Clinton Initiative," are Democrats.

Of course you just have to read the threads and you can see how the Democrats absolutely hate Trump, and it's ironic. They hate him for his honesty while fawning over the Secretary of Lies, Hillary and the president who is tying her on the farces they tell.

So we finally have a candidate who isn't cheating on his wife, is not part of a fringe religion, is well off, certainly so well off, he could be the first politician that isn't bought off.

But that's not good either. By chance the real problem is the "R" after his name?

1. no one smeared gingrich. gingrich got what he deserve for leading the impeachment against bill clinton for less than his own actions.

2. other christians were concerned about romney being a mormon. no one "smeared" him.

3. trump is a vile bigot and an embarrassment to the GOP who people have every reason to judge as such.

and the fact that you object to him rightfully being called what he is... is your problem. it doesn't mean republicans are set upon.

of course, you're projecting rightwingnut treatment of democrats onto us... typical winger behavior.

you won't win until you stop picking extremist candidates who made anyone who isn't an old white christian male gag.

1. Clinton didn't get into trouble for screwing around on Hillary. Clinton got into trouble for lying and trying to avoid doing the proper thing like admitting fault and apologizing to a victim he made a sexual advancement towards.

2. How can anybody with even the slightest sense of logic say that the Democrats didn't smear Romney; blaming him because an employee lost a spouse to illness while she worked at a company he was in charge of; going on vacation with his dog carrier tied to his roof; going all the way back to his high school days where he played a harmless prank on a fellow classmate? Christians didn't smear him, the Commies and Liberals did.

3. Talk about extremists, your number 2 candidate is an admitted Socialist. But unlike most other Democrats, at least he's honest about it.

1. True.
2. Romney wasn't smeared. The ad you're talking about (that never ran) actually is what happens when large corporations take over smaller ones; workers are quite often downsized, they lose their insurance and if you're not insured in this day and age, you are out of luck medically. Meanwhile, companies like Bain seek to please investors only. Is it wrong or illegal? No. Is it palatable to the American public. No. If you're goal is to be thought of as an effective CEO, you'e doing great. If you're goal is to become President, cruelty doesn't play well. I think you guys will find that out if Trump is your nominee. As for the dog and the "harmless prank", typical stuff that happens during campaigns. All of it pales to calling Obama a Muslim and that he wasn't born in the US.

3. The #2 candidate is a zero factor.

For one, the woman in question had her own insurance if I remember correctly, so it had nothing to do with Romney's management of the company. Two, downsizing is a common practice when it comes to saving companies. Cut pay, layoff workers, eliminate benefits, take whatever steps are necessary to save the company. Would you rather see some workers lose their benefits or jobs or would you rather see the entire company close down and everybody lose their jobs and benefits?

Not arguing economics.

Selling the logic of necessary downsizing to guys who were downsized while asking for their vote is problematic.

DumBama a Muslim? Certainly that can be in question. His claim is that he's a Christian, but doesn't follow the Christian faith. Christians are strongly against abortion yet alone somebody that had the ability to make law promoting it.

Ridiculous argument backed up by nothing.

 

[jillian]

Thinking about how strange Politics are these days....

The Democrats smeared Gingrich for having a girlfriend when he was married but are eager as all get out to get the King of Infidelity back in the White House as the First Man. Won't call him a gentleman.

Then there was Romney who was smeared for being a Mormon when many wonder just what religion of hate the president has. Of course, he was probably one of the richest candidates, ignoring the fact that Kennedy and the Clinton's who get their money from foreign countries to fund the "Clinton Initiative," are Democrats.

Of course you just have to read the threads and you can see how the Democrats absolutely hate Trump, and it's ironic. They hate him for his honesty while fawning over the Secretary of Lies, Hillary and the president who is tying her on the farces they tell.

So we finally have a candidate who isn't cheating on his wife, is not part of a fringe religion, is well off, certainly so well off, he could be the first politician that isn't bought off.

But that's not good either. By chance the real problem is the "R" after his name?

1. no one smeared gingrich. gingrich got what he deserve for leading the impeachment against bill clinton for less than his own actions.

2. other christians were concerned about romney being a mormon. no one "smeared" him.

3. trump is a vile bigot and an embarrassment to the GOP who people have every reason to judge as such.

and the fact that you object to him rightfully being called what he is... is your problem. it doesn't mean republicans are set upon.

of course, you're projecting rightwingnut treatment of democrats onto us... typical winger behavior.

you won't win until you stop picking extremist candidates who made anyone who isn't an old white christian male gag.

1. Clinton didn't get into trouble for screwing around on Hillary. Clinton got into trouble for lying and trying to avoid doing the proper thing like admitting fault and apologizing to a victim he made a sexual advancement towards.

2. How can anybody with even the slightest sense of logic say that the Democrats didn't smear Romney; blaming him because an employee lost a spouse to illness while she worked at a company he was in charge of; going on vacation with his dog carrier tied to his roof; going all the way back to his high school days where he played a harmless prank on a fellow classmate? Christians didn't smear him, the Commies and Liberals did.

3. Talk about extremists, your number 2 candidate is an admitted Socialist. But unlike most other Democrats, at least he's honest about it.

Democrats never smeared Romney for being a Mormon....that came from the Christian Right
The other attacks were just normal politics and fairly benign

So you have any examples of "Christian right" people slamming Romney?

I never said that Romney was smeared because of his religion by Democrats, my point is that Romney was smeared for being Romney. The other point being that you couldn't find a cleaner-cut candidate than Romney, and Democrats still attacked him on a personal basis.

examples? the radical religious right questioned whether mormons were even christian. i shouldn't have to educate you as to your own party's insanity. but since you're uninformed as to the issue:

The Biblical Case Against Voting For A Mormon for President: Why Christians Who Support Romney Actualy Violate Scripture « Pastors 4 Huckabee

so don't blame democrats. we didn't care about his religion. and i know for me, it was all about policy since i didn't agree with pretty much anything he said and was horrified of the justices he would appoint... as would be my position with any candidate pandering to the radical religious right.

"clean cut" isn't very compelling when the candidate supports personhood laws, neocon wackjob policies and refuses to support equal pay for equal work for women, denigrates working people and supports a senate candidate who talks about "legitimate rape".

see, i know you think we're supposed to jump because some rich, privileged man who doesn't come close to the man his father was decides he wants to be president because, well, he wants it.

no one attacked him on a personal basis. they attacked him for his positions. if you want to know what attacking someone on a personal basis is, you should probably look at how the obama deranged wingnuts talk about the president and how the right talks about hillary clinton.

*shrug*

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Thinking about how strange Politics are these days....

The Democrats smeared Gingrich for having a girlfriend when he was married but are eager as all get out to get the King of Infidelity back in the White House as the First Man. Won't call him a gentleman.

Then there was Romney who was smeared for being a Mormon when many wonder just what religion of hate the president has. Of course, he was probably one of the richest candidates, ignoring the fact that Kennedy and the Clinton's who get their money from foreign countries to fund the "Clinton Initiative," are Democrats.

Of course you just have to read the threads and you can see how the Democrats absolutely hate Trump, and it's ironic. They hate him for his honesty while fawning over the Secretary of Lies, Hillary and the president who is tying her on the farces they tell.

So we finally have a candidate who isn't cheating on his wife, is not part of a fringe religion, is well off, certainly so well off, he could be the first politician that isn't bought off.

But that's not good either. By chance the real problem is the "R" after his name?

1. no one smeared gingrich. gingrich got what he deserve for leading the impeachment against bill clinton for less than his own actions.

2. other christians were concerned about romney being a mormon. no one "smeared" him.

3. trump is a vile bigot and an embarrassment to the GOP who people have every reason to judge as such.

and the fact that you object to him rightfully being called what he is... is your problem. it doesn't mean republicans are set upon.

of course, you're projecting rightwingnut treatment of democrats onto us... typical winger behavior.

you won't win until you stop picking extremist candidates who made anyone who isn't an old white christian male gag.

1. Clinton didn't get into trouble for screwing around on Hillary. Clinton got into trouble for lying and trying to avoid doing the proper thing like admitting fault and apologizing to a victim he made a sexual advancement towards.

2. How can anybody with even the slightest sense of logic say that the Democrats didn't smear Romney; blaming him because an employee lost a spouse to illness while she worked at a company he was in charge of; going on vacation with his dog carrier tied to his roof; going all the way back to his high school days where he played a harmless prank on a fellow classmate? Christians didn't smear him, the Commies and Liberals did.

3. Talk about extremists, your number 2 candidate is an admitted Socialist. But unlike most other Democrats, at least he's honest about it.

1. True.
2. Romney wasn't smeared. The ad you're talking about (that never ran) actually is what happens when large corporations take over smaller ones; workers are quite often downsized, they lose their insurance and if you're not insured in this day and age, you are out of luck medically. Meanwhile, companies like Bain seek to please investors only. Is it wrong or illegal? No. Is it palatable to the American public. No. If you're goal is to be thought of as an effective CEO, you'e doing great. If you're goal is to become President, cruelty doesn't play well. I think you guys will find that out if Trump is your nominee. As for the dog and the "harmless prank", typical stuff that happens during campaigns. All of it pales to calling Obama a Muslim and that he wasn't born in the US.

3. The #2 candidate is a zero factor.

For one, the woman in question had her own insurance if I remember correctly, so it had nothing to do with Romney's management of the company. Two, downsizing is a common practice when it comes to saving companies. Cut pay, layoff workers, eliminate benefits, take whatever steps are necessary to save the company. Would you rather see some workers lose their benefits or jobs or would you rather see the entire company close down and everybody lose their jobs and benefits?

Not arguing economics.

Selling the logic of necessary downsizing to guys who were downsized while asking for their vote is problematic.

DumBama a Muslim? Certainly that can be in question. His claim is that he's a Christian, but doesn't follow the Christian faith. Christians are strongly against abortion yet alone somebody that had the ability to make law promoting it.

Ridiculous argument backed up by nothing.

Backed up by nothing? What would you like me to back up?

I can't tell anybody's religion no more than you can. It's not like we register to a religion like we register to vote. I could say I'm Muslim, Jewish, Catholic and you would never know even if I attended a church or Mosque. Nobody knows how one believes in God if they believe at all, especially when it comes to politicians.

 

[SwimExpert]

Thinking about how strange Politics are these days....

The Democrats smeared Gingrich for having a girlfriend when he was married but are eager as all get out to get the King of Infidelity back in the White House as the First Man. Won't call him a gentleman.

Then there was Romney who was smeared for being a Mormon when many wonder just what religion of hate the president has. Of course, he was probably one of the richest candidates, ignoring the fact that Kennedy and the Clinton's who get their money from foreign countries to fund the "Clinton Initiative," are Democrats.

Of course you just have to read the threads and you can see how the Democrats absolutely hate Trump, and it's ironic. They hate him for his honesty while fawning over the Secretary of Lies, Hillary and the president who is tying her on the farces they tell.

So we finally have a candidate who isn't cheating on his wife, is not part of a fringe religion, is well off, certainly so well off, he could be the first politician that isn't bought off.

But that's not good either. By chance the real problem is the "R" after his name?

And on the eighth day, God took a shit. And he put it into a coconut, and from it he made Jackson's head.

 

[rightwinger]

Of course it's not good enough. I'm no Romney fan, but look at his accomplishments in life: A guy who never used recreational narcotics, tobacco or alcohol. A family man who again, never cheated on his wife. A humanitarian who spent his early years helping others. A successful man who became a self-made millionaire. A non-partisan man who voted for and implemented many liberal policies. A generous man who donated millions to his religion and various other charities. So what did liberals have to say about his legacy? He tied his dog cage to the roof of his car when he took the family on vacation.

It's nothing new. Christian conservatives went for Reagan, who rarely went to church, over Carter, a born-again Christian who went all the time.

Reagan felt that his attendance at services would be disruptive to the other church goers, so opted to stay home during his presidency. I can't remember the last time I've heard of DumBama going to church. Nobody ever makes a big deal out of it because like Reagan, he probably figured it would be too much of a problem for the public.

Come on Ray......you really believe that shit about Reagan?

Presidents have attended services for 200 years if they wanted to attend. There is no indication Reagan was a churchgoer before or after he was president

Ronald Reagan on Why He Does Not Attend Church in First Reagan-Mondale Presidential Debate
Ronald Reagan
October 7, 1984

I have gone to church regularly all my life, and I started to here in Washington. And now, in the position I hold and in the world in which we live, where Embassies do get blown up in Beirut [...] but I pose a threat to several hundred people if I go to church. I know the threats that are made against me. We all know the possibility of terrorism. We have seen the barricades that have had to be built around the White House. And, therefore, I don't feel—and my minister knows this and supports me in this position—I don't feel that I have a right to go to church, knowing that my being there could cause something of the kind that we have seen in other places, in Beirut, for example. And I miss going to church, but I think the Lord understands.

Ronald Reagan on Why He Does Not Attend Church in First Reagan-Mondale Presidential Debate

So Reagan threw a bone to the religious right of his party to explain his lack of Chirch attendance