The REAL OCTOBER SURPRISE! After the Fed Screws President Trump Again, He States the Obvious –

[Oddball]

No, silver certificates, which are different than United States Notes, were not figments of the imagination.

The Fed killing JFK is a figment of the imagination.

He wanted to issue debt free currency, which would have competed with the Fed's worthless funny money.

Whether or not that was behind his assassination isn't really relevant to the subject.

 

[Natural Citizen]

There is no Fed in The Constitution.

Is that because the Founders were against the idea of a Central Bank?

Hey, there's a great quote about it and I'm reminded of it here.

It's taken from a letter from George Washington, written to James Madison on the topic. He said, and correctly so, ''No generation has the right to contract debts greater than can be paid off during the course of its own existence."


The Founders of the United States knew the dangers of central banking and they fought to free themselves from this very thing. The Revolutionary War started out as a tax revolt. Having just suffered through the hyper-inflation of the continental dollar, which was printed into oblivion to fund the Revolutionary War, they understood the dangers of a debt based monetary system. So to protect future generations from institutional theft and out of control government, they wrote in the Constitution that only gold and silver can be 'money' for the simple fact that you can't print it.

The problem is that the Fed and the government don't know the difference between 'currency' and 'money.'

'Money' has to be a store of value and maintain its purchasing power over long periods of time.

But you know that, come on Toddster.

The Founders of the United States knew the dangers of central banking and they fought to free themselves from this very thing.

Exactly! They fought against central banking by creating a central bank in 1791.

So to protect future generations from institutional theft and out of control government, they wrote in the Constitution that only gold and silver can be 'money' for the simple fact that you can't print it.

Post the relevant section of the Constitution, I'll show you where you're mistaken.

Don't tell me you're going to hit me with Hamilton, Toddster. Come on, man.

Jefferson knew it was an unconstitutional extention of power to create a central bank, and Hamilton got his way with President Washington. It wasn't really settled until 1913, though, when the Congress assumed power they didn't constitutionally have to establish the Fed, and its collection wing, the IRS.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I'll say this, though, pretty much every elected official in Washingtom is a Hamiltonian, no doubt about it.

By inserting Hamiltion, though in not so many words, Toddster brings up a great point in how we got here. They're all Hamiltonians in DC.

 

[edward37]

And the AH went campaigning while disaster hits Florida?? Never before has a president shown so little regard for the people

You'll see who's the baby when you lose florida

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, silver certificates, which are different than United States Notes, were not figments of the imagination.

The Fed killing JFK is a figment of the imagination.

He wanted to issue debt free currency, which would have competed with the Fed's worthless funny money.

Whether or not that was behind his assassination isn't really relevant to the subject.

He wanted to issue debt free currency

Link to him ever saying something that silly.

My $20 FRN is debt free. Never paid a penny of interest for it.
Who do you pay for your $20s? What rate? Where do you mail your payment?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is no Fed in The Constitution.

Is that because the Founders were against the idea of a Central Bank?

Hey, there's a great quote about it and I'm reminded of it here.

It's taken from a letter from George Washington, written to James Madison on the topic. He said, and correctly so, ''No generation has the right to contract debts greater than can be paid off during the course of its own existence."


The Founders of the United States knew the dangers of central banking and they fought to free themselves from this very thing. The Revolutionary War started out as a tax revolt. Having just suffered through the hyper-inflation of the continental dollar, which was printed into oblivion to fund the Revolutionary War, they understood the dangers of a debt based monetary system. So to protect future generations from institutional theft and out of control government, they wrote in the Constitution that only gold and silver can be 'money' for the simple fact that you can't print it.

The problem is that the Fed and the government don't know the difference between 'currency' and 'money.'

'Money' has to be a store of value and maintain its purchasing power over long periods of time.

But you know that, come on Toddster.

The Founders of the United States knew the dangers of central banking and they fought to free themselves from this very thing.

Exactly! They fought against central banking by creating a central bank in 1791.

So to protect future generations from institutional theft and out of control government, they wrote in the Constitution that only gold and silver can be 'money' for the simple fact that you can't print it.

Post the relevant section of the Constitution, I'll show you where you're mistaken.

Don't tell me you're going to hit me with Hamilton, Toddster. Come on, man.

Jefferson knew it was an unconstitutional extention of power to create a central bank, and Hamilton got his way with President Washington. It wasn't really settled until 1913, though, when the Congress assumed power they didn't constitutionally have to establish the Fed, and its collection wing, the IRS.

Post the relevant section of the Constitution, I'll show you where you're mistaken.

 

[Claudette]

Well The Fed is an independent entity and the Govt. hasn't got any power to control it. It was brought back in 1913.

Its decisions don't have to be approved by the President, legislators or any elected official.

Heres the story on the Fed:

Who Really Owns the World's Most Powerful Central Bank?

Andrew Jackson got rid of the second Bank of the country.

Good story here:

Andrew Jackson Takes on the Bank of the US

 

[evenflow1969]

We keep forgetting that the DEEP STATE controls EVERYTHING.....Now to see if Trump can counter the FEDERAL RESERVE!!!!!

After the Fed Screws President Trump Again, He States the Obvious – The Fed has “Gone Crazy”!

we have been saying for the past year, with Stocks at all-time highs and unemployment at 50-year lows, the Fed’s interest rate increases show a far-left liberal bias. Trump called the Fed “Crazy”!
Right after Barack Obama was elected President, on December 16, 2008, the Federal Reserve (The Fed) lowered the Fed Funds rate by an entire percent, from 1% down to 0% . The Fed had not lowered the Fed Funds rate by such a large amount (1% ) since at least before 1990, if ever. The Fed kept this 0% rate for most of Obama’s eight years in office.

CNBC reported in December 2015 that President Obama oversaw “seven years of the most accommodative monetary policy in U.S. history” (from the Fed). The Fed Funds rate was at zero for most of Obama’s time in office. Finally, in December 2015 after the Fed announced its first increase in the Fed Funds rate during the Obama Presidency.

Read so much more
After the Fed Screws President Trump Again, He States the Obvious - The Fed has "Gone Crazy"!

The Fed will kill people who try to shut them down.

c.f. John Fitzgerald Kennedy

For 8 years the Fed Sheltered a Muslim Socialist Globalist and did nothing .

Now , the Globalists attack
Trump and the US economy .

Its time to evicted the Federal reserve current inhabitants. Perhaps even the Fed itself, especially if they can **** up our economy this easily!

What a great american president we have. He gets doctors notes to stay out of war. It is not my fault mommy my bad bone spurs hurt! It's not my fault mommy the mean fed. It's not my fault mommy I have a majority in government but the mean democrats stop me! Every one is lying to you but me, you can only beleive me. Adults have a "the buck stops here sign on thier desk" the president has a quit picking on me sign. Trump ain't responsible for any thing. What a little *****! Just like you!

I wouldn't expect a low 2 digit IQ, ABNORMAL to know this but Trump had draft number 356 in the late 60's and simply wasn't called up in the draft lottery, at the time....I know even YOU have the capacity to GOOGLE that, but an ape like you need a banana to perform that operation!

Ya, that effect's the price of tea in china. When the time came and he got called he got a note from mommy. You have elected a baby not a man. Ronny is turning in his grave!

Who’s the illegal in your family?

My family has been here since 1784. We were one of the first families to receive a land grant in Ohio for working on the Virginia military survey.

 

[Oddball]

He wanted to issue debt free currency

Link to him ever saying something that silly.

My $20 FRN is debt free. Never paid a penny of interest for it.
Who do you pay for your $20s? What rate? Where do you mail your payment?

You read Creature from Jekyll Island and can ask that question with a straight face?

You pay it through the tax known as inflation.

 

[Marion Morrison]

You'll see who's the baby when you lose florida

Not going to lie, I will cry if that happens.

 

[Natural Citizen]

There is no Fed in The Constitution.

Is that because the Founders were against the idea of a Central Bank?

Hey, there's a great quote about it and I'm reminded of it here.

It's taken from a letter from George Washington, written to James Madison on the topic. He said, and correctly so, ''No generation has the right to contract debts greater than can be paid off during the course of its own existence."


The Founders of the United States knew the dangers of central banking and they fought to free themselves from this very thing. The Revolutionary War started out as a tax revolt. Having just suffered through the hyper-inflation of the continental dollar, which was printed into oblivion to fund the Revolutionary War, they understood the dangers of a debt based monetary system. So to protect future generations from institutional theft and out of control government, they wrote in the Constitution that only gold and silver can be 'money' for the simple fact that you can't print it.

The problem is that the Fed and the government don't know the difference between 'currency' and 'money.'

'Money' has to be a store of value and maintain its purchasing power over long periods of time.

But you know that, come on Toddster.

The Founders of the United States knew the dangers of central banking and they fought to free themselves from this very thing.

Exactly! They fought against central banking by creating a central bank in 1791.

So to protect future generations from institutional theft and out of control government, they wrote in the Constitution that only gold and silver can be 'money' for the simple fact that you can't print it.

Post the relevant section of the Constitution, I'll show you where you're mistaken.

Don't tell me you're going to hit me with Hamilton, Toddster. Come on, man.

Jefferson knew it was an unconstitutional extention of power to create a central bank, and Hamilton got his way with President Washington. It wasn't really settled until 1913, though, when the Congress assumed power they didn't constitutionally have to establish the Fed, and its collection wing, the IRS.

Post the relevant section of the Constitution, I'll show you where you're mistaken.

I already know what you're gonna hit me with. But congress still lacked power to do it.

You're talking about Article I, Section 8, Clause 18. Right? The necessary and proper clause? Hamilton reached pretty far to twist that Clause, but I'll give you credit, they did it. They still lacked constitutional power, though, to do it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He wanted to issue debt free currency

Link to him ever saying something that silly.

My $20 FRN is debt free. Never paid a penny of interest for it.
Who do you pay for your $20s? What rate? Where do you mail your payment?

You read Creature from Jekyll Island and can ask that question with a straight face?

You pay it through the tax known as inflation.

You read Creature from Jekyll Island and can ask that question with a straight face?

Yes, I can notice my $20s don't incur an interest charge, despite laughing thru several chapters of errors in
that moronic book.

You pay it through the tax known as inflation.

Inflation? I thought we were talking about debt currency?
You're changing the topic.

 

[Oddball]

I already know what yo';re gonna hit me with. But congress still lacked power to do it.

You're talking about Article I, Section 8, Clause 18. Right? The necessary and proper clause?

it's always the good-n-plenty & interstate commerce clauses, along with the "general welfare" nonsense, when the statist runs out of intellectual ammo.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is no Fed in The Constitution.

Is that because the Founders were against the idea of a Central Bank?

Hey, there's a great quote about it and I'm reminded of it here.

It's taken from a letter from George Washington, written to James Madison on the topic. He said, and correctly so, ''No generation has the right to contract debts greater than can be paid off during the course of its own existence."


The Founders of the United States knew the dangers of central banking and they fought to free themselves from this very thing. The Revolutionary War started out as a tax revolt. Having just suffered through the hyper-inflation of the continental dollar, which was printed into oblivion to fund the Revolutionary War, they understood the dangers of a debt based monetary system. So to protect future generations from institutional theft and out of control government, they wrote in the Constitution that only gold and silver can be 'money' for the simple fact that you can't print it.

The problem is that the Fed and the government don't know the difference between 'currency' and 'money.'

'Money' has to be a store of value and maintain its purchasing power over long periods of time.

But you know that, come on Toddster.

The Founders of the United States knew the dangers of central banking and they fought to free themselves from this very thing.

Exactly! They fought against central banking by creating a central bank in 1791.

So to protect future generations from institutional theft and out of control government, they wrote in the Constitution that only gold and silver can be 'money' for the simple fact that you can't print it.

Post the relevant section of the Constitution, I'll show you where you're mistaken.

Don't tell me you're going to hit me with Hamilton, Toddster. Come on, man.

Jefferson knew it was an unconstitutional extention of power to create a central bank, and Hamilton got his way with President Washington. It wasn't really settled until 1913, though, when the Congress assumed power they didn't constitutionally have to establish the Fed, and its collection wing, the IRS.

Post the relevant section of the Constitution, I'll show you where you're mistaken.

I already know what yo';re gonna hit me with. But congress still lacked power to do it.

You're talking about Article I, Section 8, Clause 18. Right? The necessary and proper clause? They reached pretty far to twist that Clause, but I'll give you credit, they did it. They still lacked constitutional power, though, to do it.

I already know what yo';re gonna hit me with.

It's obvious you don't.

You're talking about Article I, Section 8, Clause 18. Right?

Wrong.

they wrote in the Constitution that only gold and silver can be 'money'

Post what they wrote about gold and silver.

 

[evenflow1969]

You'll see who's the baby when you lose florida

Not going to lie, I will cry if that happens.

In a dark room with no witnesses please. You can not have a john wayne moniker and let some one see you cry. Buy a heavy bag and smack it instead.

 

[Oddball]

You pay it through the tax known as inflation.

Inflation? I thought we were talking about debt currency?
You're changing the topic.

You can't possibly be this dense without trying.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well The Fed is an independent entity and the Govt. hasn't got any power to control it. It was brought back in 1913.

Its decisions don't have to be approved by the President, legislators or any elected official.

Heres the story on the Fed:

Who Really Owns the World's Most Powerful Central Bank?

Andrew Jackson got rid of the second Bank of the country.

Good story here:

Andrew Jackson Takes on the Bank of the US

Well The Fed is an independent entity and the Govt. hasn't got any power to control it.

Your first link disagrees with your claim.

Congress can alter the statutes governing the Fed. For example, the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act limited the Fed's powers. It requires the Government Accountability Office to audit the emergency loans the Fed made during the 2008 financial crisis. It also required the Fed to make public the names of banks that received any emergency loans or TARP funds. It also required the Fed to get Treasury Department approval before making emergency loans, like it did with Bear Stearns and AIG.

 

[evenflow1969]

You pay it through the tax known as inflation.

Inflation? I thought we were talking about debt currency?
You're changing the topic.

You can't possibly be this dense without trying.

I would love to go on the gold standard today. I figure my holdings would multiply by thirty times if that happened. If it does find the bar I am in , I will be buying drinks!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You pay it through the tax known as inflation.

Inflation? I thought we were talking about debt currency?
You're changing the topic.

You can't possibly be this dense without trying.

You said our currency is debt. Were you lying?
If not, who do you pay? How much?

PS. Inflation is different than debt.

 

[Natural Citizen]

PS. Inflation is different than debt.

No, it isn't. Inflation is the surplus of currency and credit. Rising prices are merely one single consequence of it.