DrDoomNGloom
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You are just building my side up even more, moron, we all know there was a bubble, but not for the reasons you want to claim!!
The Real Causes Of The Great Recession
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You are just building my side up even more, moron, we all know there was a bubble, but not for the reasons you want to claim!!
Dad2three
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YEAH YOU DUMBASS, MY LINK, MY POSTS ARE THERE. Grow a fuckking brain. DISPROVE IT DUMBASS. I GOT DOZENS OF LINKS TO CREDIBLE SOURCES, ALL THERE, lol
Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse
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bendog
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That last link was dam nice.
Dad2three
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PROVE me wrong dumbass!!!
Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse
2004 Republican Convention:
Another priority for a new term is to build an ownership society, because ownership brings security and dignity and independence.
...
Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all- time high.
(APPLAUSE)
Tonight we set a new goal: 7 million more affordable homes in the next 10 years, so more American families will be able to open the door and say, "Welcome to my home."
June 17, 2004
Builders to fight Bush's low-income plan
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Home builders, realtors and others are preparing to fight a Bush administration plan that would require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase financing of homes for low-income people, a home builder group said Thursday.
Home builders fight Bush's low-income housing - Jun. 17, 2004
Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime
Predatory lending was widely understood to present a looming national crisis.
What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge?
Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye
In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative
Eliot Spitzer - Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime
MUCH MORE ON DUBYA'S BUBBLE HERE:
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Siete
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a link can't be used in more than one thread on this board?
who knew?
btw, cussing like an aspiring 12 year old leaves you no room to tell ANYONE to grow up ... so, grow up little boy.
DrDoomNGloom
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Meathead
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Grow the **** up anyway.
DrDoomNGloom
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CRA loans accounted for only 6% of the toxic residential loans and zero percent of the toxic commercial loans.Obama and ACORN - Bing Images
This is an article that was posted 2 months before Obama took office. Everything in it has proven to be true. It's strange how all of this information has been out there for years yet little bits and pieces of it keep surfacing. The left will claim that it's all old news and they'll say that anyone who brings it up is just trolling. I expect the usual USMB members to do their jobs and attack me personally. Well, bring it on:
As a New York Post article describes it:Note the repeated theme of using existing laws and expanding their reach thus changing their intended purpose. This has been repeated over and over throughout Obama's tenure as president. He expands on existing laws or programs and renders them unrecognizable. He did this with Fast & Furious and several other programs. The excuse is always that it was a law or program from a previous administration. He's doing the same thing with the Patriot Act. Many liberals here think this is funny, but this is no joke.
A 1995 strengthening of the Community Reinvestment Act required banks to find ways to provide mortgages to their poorer communities. It also let community activists intervene at yearly bank reviews, shaking the banks down for large pots of money.
Banks that got poor reviews were punished; some saw their merger plans frustrated; others faced direct legal challenges by the Justice Department.
Flexible lending programs expanded even though they had higher default rates than loans with traditional standards. On the Web, you can still find CRA loans available via ACORN with "100 percent financing . . . no credit scores . . . undocumented income . . . even if you don't report it on your tax returns." Credit counseling is required, of course.
Ironically, an enthusiastic Fannie Mae Foundation report singled out one paragon of nondiscriminatory lending, which worked with community activists and followed "the most flexible underwriting criteria permitted." That lender's $1 billion commitment to low-income loans in 1992 had grown to $80 billion by 1999 and $600 billion by early 2003.
The lender they were speaking of was Countrywide, which specialized in subprime lending and had a working relationship with ACORN.
Investor's Business Daily added:
The revisions also allowed for the first time the securitization of CRA-regulated loans containing subprime mortgages. The changes came as radical "housing rights" groups led by ACORN lobbied for such loans. ACORN at the time was represented by a young public-interest lawyer in Chicago by the name of Barack Obama. (Emphasis, mine.)
Since these loans were to be underwritten by the government sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the implicit government guarantee of those loans absolved lenders, mortgage bundlers and investors of any concern over the obvious risk. As Bloomberg reported: "It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit."
And if you think Washington policy makers cared about ACORN's negative influence, think again. Before this whole mess came down, a Democrat-sponsored bill on the table would have created an "Affordable Housing Trust Fund," granting ACORN access to approximately $500 million in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac revenues with little or no oversight.
Even now, unbelievably -- on the brink of national disaster -- Democrats have insisted ACORN benefit from bailout negotiations! Senator Lindsay Graham reported last night (9/25/08) in an interview with Greta Van Susteren of On the Record that Democrats want 20 percent of the bailout money to go to ACORN!
This entire fiasco represents perhaps the pinnacle of ACORN's efforts to advance the Cloward-Piven Strategy and is a stark demonstration of the power they wield in Washington.
Enter Barack Obama
In attempting to capture the significance of Barack Obama's Radical Left connections and his relation to the Cloward Piven strategy, I constructed following flow chart . It is by no means complete. There are simply too many radical individuals and organizations to include them all here. But these are perhaps the most significant.
In his few years as a U.S. senator, Obama has received campaign contributions of $126,349, from Fannie and Freddie, second only to the $165,400 received by Senator Chris Dodd, who has been getting donations from them since 1988. What makes Obama so special?
His closest advisers are a dirty laundry list of individuals at the heart of the financial crisis: former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson; Former Fannie Mae CEO and former Clinton Budget Director Frank Raines; and billionaire failed Superior Bank of Chicago Board Chair Penny Pritzker.
........
Most significantly, Penny Pritzker, the current Finance Chairperson of Obama's presidential campaign helped develop the complicated investment bundling of subprime securities at the heart of the meltdown. She did so in her position as shareholder and board chair of Superior Bank. The Bank failed in 2001, one of the largest in recent history, wiping out $50 million in uninsured life savings of approximately 1,400 customers. She was named in a RICO class action law suit but doesn't seem to have come out of it too badly.
As a young attorney in the 1990s, Barack Obama represented ACORN in Washington in their successful efforts to expand Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) authority. In addition to making it easier for ACORN groups to force banks into making risky loans, this also paved the way for banks like Superior to package mortgages as investments, and for the Government Sponsored Enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to underwrite them. These changes created the conditions that ultimately lead to the current financial crisis.
ACORN has split up and changed it's name, but it is still highly active. Ferguson was one of it's babies.
Links:
Articles Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis
Obama 8217 s new pardon chief funded ACORN
Obama and ACORN - WikiLeaks
Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Obama 8217 s Secret Collaboration with ACORN Bosses FrontPage Magazine
Obama and ACORN Chicago-The Barack Obama Campaign 2004 - WikiLeaks
Too bad that destroys your entire hallucination.
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Siete
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grow up ... after you learn to type.
Dad2three
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REALLY? BOND RATINGS WAS #1??? LOL
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE FACT THAT BANKSTERS WERE BUNDLING BAD LOANS!!!
Abstract:
U.S. policymakers often treat market competition as a panacea. However, in the case of mortgage securitization, policymakers’ faith in competition is misplaced. Competitive mortgage securitization has been tried three times in U.S. history - during the 1880s, the 1920s, and the 2000s - and every time it has failed. Most recently, competition between mortgage securitizers led to a race to the bottom on mortgage underwriting standards that ended in the late 2000s financial crisis
Competition and Crisis in Mortgage Securitization by Michael Simkovic SSRN
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Whistle needs to slow down, clear out the mud, and learn to listen. Sometimes that's more valuable than reading.
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I put that child on ignore. Just wasn't worth the screen space on my monitor.
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And where did you get that stat from?CRA loans accounted for only 6% of the toxic residential loans that and zero percent of the toxic commercial loans.Obama and ACORN - Bing Images
This is an article that was posted 2 months before Obama took office. Everything in it has proven to be true. It's strange how all of this information has been out there for years yet little bits and pieces of it keep surfacing. The left will claim that it's all old news and they'll say that anyone who brings it up is just trolling. I expect the usual USMB members to do their jobs and attack me personally. Well, bring it on:
As a New York Post article describes it:Note the repeated theme of using existing laws and expanding their reach thus changing their intended purpose. This has been repeated over and over throughout Obama's tenure as president. He expands on existing laws or programs and renders them unrecognizable. He did this with Fast & Furious and several other programs. The excuse is always that it was a law or program from a previous administration. He's doing the same thing with the Patriot Act. Many liberals here think this is funny, but this is no joke.
A 1995 strengthening of the Community Reinvestment Act required banks to find ways to provide mortgages to their poorer communities. It also let community activists intervene at yearly bank reviews, shaking the banks down for large pots of money.
Banks that got poor reviews were punished; some saw their merger plans frustrated; others faced direct legal challenges by the Justice Department.
Flexible lending programs expanded even though they had higher default rates than loans with traditional standards. On the Web, you can still find CRA loans available via ACORN with "100 percent financing . . . no credit scores . . . undocumented income . . . even if you don't report it on your tax returns." Credit counseling is required, of course.
Ironically, an enthusiastic Fannie Mae Foundation report singled out one paragon of nondiscriminatory lending, which worked with community activists and followed "the most flexible underwriting criteria permitted." That lender's $1 billion commitment to low-income loans in 1992 had grown to $80 billion by 1999 and $600 billion by early 2003.
The lender they were speaking of was Countrywide, which specialized in subprime lending and had a working relationship with ACORN.
Investor's Business Daily added:
The revisions also allowed for the first time the securitization of CRA-regulated loans containing subprime mortgages. The changes came as radical "housing rights" groups led by ACORN lobbied for such loans. ACORN at the time was represented by a young public-interest lawyer in Chicago by the name of Barack Obama. (Emphasis, mine.)
Since these loans were to be underwritten by the government sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the implicit government guarantee of those loans absolved lenders, mortgage bundlers and investors of any concern over the obvious risk. As Bloomberg reported: "It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit."
And if you think Washington policy makers cared about ACORN's negative influence, think again. Before this whole mess came down, a Democrat-sponsored bill on the table would have created an "Affordable Housing Trust Fund," granting ACORN access to approximately $500 million in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac revenues with little or no oversight.
Even now, unbelievably -- on the brink of national disaster -- Democrats have insisted ACORN benefit from bailout negotiations! Senator Lindsay Graham reported last night (9/25/08) in an interview with Greta Van Susteren of On the Record that Democrats want 20 percent of the bailout money to go to ACORN!
This entire fiasco represents perhaps the pinnacle of ACORN's efforts to advance the Cloward-Piven Strategy and is a stark demonstration of the power they wield in Washington.
Enter Barack Obama
In attempting to capture the significance of Barack Obama's Radical Left connections and his relation to the Cloward Piven strategy, I constructed following flow chart . It is by no means complete. There are simply too many radical individuals and organizations to include them all here. But these are perhaps the most significant.
In his few years as a U.S. senator, Obama has received campaign contributions of $126,349, from Fannie and Freddie, second only to the $165,400 received by Senator Chris Dodd, who has been getting donations from them since 1988. What makes Obama so special?
His closest advisers are a dirty laundry list of individuals at the heart of the financial crisis: former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson; Former Fannie Mae CEO and former Clinton Budget Director Frank Raines; and billionaire failed Superior Bank of Chicago Board Chair Penny Pritzker.
........
Most significantly, Penny Pritzker, the current Finance Chairperson of Obama's presidential campaign helped develop the complicated investment bundling of subprime securities at the heart of the meltdown. She did so in her position as shareholder and board chair of Superior Bank. The Bank failed in 2001, one of the largest in recent history, wiping out $50 million in uninsured life savings of approximately 1,400 customers. She was named in a RICO class action law suit but doesn't seem to have come out of it too badly.
As a young attorney in the 1990s, Barack Obama represented ACORN in Washington in their successful efforts to expand Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) authority. In addition to making it easier for ACORN groups to force banks into making risky loans, this also paved the way for banks like Superior to package mortgages as investments, and for the Government Sponsored Enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to underwrite them. These changes created the conditions that ultimately lead to the current financial crisis.
ACORN has split up and changed it's name, but it is still highly active. Ferguson was one of it's babies.
Links:
Articles Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis
Obama 8217 s new pardon chief funded ACORN
Obama and ACORN - WikiLeaks
Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Obama 8217 s Secret Collaboration with ACORN Bosses FrontPage Magazine
Obama and ACORN Chicago-The Barack Obama Campaign 2004 - WikiLeaks
Too bad that destroys your entire hallucination.
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This is the most ignorant post in this entire topic. This is like watching a parrot trying to repeat something it heard but getting it all wrong.
NYcarbineer
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CRA loans accounted for only 6% of the toxic residential loans that and zero percent of the toxic commercial loans.Obama and ACORN - Bing Images
This is an article that was posted 2 months before Obama took office. Everything in it has proven to be true. It's strange how all of this information has been out there for years yet little bits and pieces of it keep surfacing. The left will claim that it's all old news and they'll say that anyone who brings it up is just trolling. I expect the usual USMB members to do their jobs and attack me personally. Well, bring it on:
As a New York Post article describes it:Note the repeated theme of using existing laws and expanding their reach thus changing their intended purpose. This has been repeated over and over throughout Obama's tenure as president. He expands on existing laws or programs and renders them unrecognizable. He did this with Fast & Furious and several other programs. The excuse is always that it was a law or program from a previous administration. He's doing the same thing with the Patriot Act. Many liberals here think this is funny, but this is no joke.
A 1995 strengthening of the Community Reinvestment Act required banks to find ways to provide mortgages to their poorer communities. It also let community activists intervene at yearly bank reviews, shaking the banks down for large pots of money.
Banks that got poor reviews were punished; some saw their merger plans frustrated; others faced direct legal challenges by the Justice Department.
Flexible lending programs expanded even though they had higher default rates than loans with traditional standards. On the Web, you can still find CRA loans available via ACORN with "100 percent financing . . . no credit scores . . . undocumented income . . . even if you don't report it on your tax returns." Credit counseling is required, of course.
Ironically, an enthusiastic Fannie Mae Foundation report singled out one paragon of nondiscriminatory lending, which worked with community activists and followed "the most flexible underwriting criteria permitted." That lender's $1 billion commitment to low-income loans in 1992 had grown to $80 billion by 1999 and $600 billion by early 2003.
The lender they were speaking of was Countrywide, which specialized in subprime lending and had a working relationship with ACORN.
Investor's Business Daily added:
The revisions also allowed for the first time the securitization of CRA-regulated loans containing subprime mortgages. The changes came as radical "housing rights" groups led by ACORN lobbied for such loans. ACORN at the time was represented by a young public-interest lawyer in Chicago by the name of Barack Obama. (Emphasis, mine.)
Since these loans were to be underwritten by the government sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the implicit government guarantee of those loans absolved lenders, mortgage bundlers and investors of any concern over the obvious risk. As Bloomberg reported: "It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit."
And if you think Washington policy makers cared about ACORN's negative influence, think again. Before this whole mess came down, a Democrat-sponsored bill on the table would have created an "Affordable Housing Trust Fund," granting ACORN access to approximately $500 million in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac revenues with little or no oversight.
Even now, unbelievably -- on the brink of national disaster -- Democrats have insisted ACORN benefit from bailout negotiations! Senator Lindsay Graham reported last night (9/25/08) in an interview with Greta Van Susteren of On the Record that Democrats want 20 percent of the bailout money to go to ACORN!
This entire fiasco represents perhaps the pinnacle of ACORN's efforts to advance the Cloward-Piven Strategy and is a stark demonstration of the power they wield in Washington.
Enter Barack Obama
In attempting to capture the significance of Barack Obama's Radical Left connections and his relation to the Cloward Piven strategy, I constructed following flow chart . It is by no means complete. There are simply too many radical individuals and organizations to include them all here. But these are perhaps the most significant.
In his few years as a U.S. senator, Obama has received campaign contributions of $126,349, from Fannie and Freddie, second only to the $165,400 received by Senator Chris Dodd, who has been getting donations from them since 1988. What makes Obama so special?
His closest advisers are a dirty laundry list of individuals at the heart of the financial crisis: former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson; Former Fannie Mae CEO and former Clinton Budget Director Frank Raines; and billionaire failed Superior Bank of Chicago Board Chair Penny Pritzker.
........
Most significantly, Penny Pritzker, the current Finance Chairperson of Obama's presidential campaign helped develop the complicated investment bundling of subprime securities at the heart of the meltdown. She did so in her position as shareholder and board chair of Superior Bank. The Bank failed in 2001, one of the largest in recent history, wiping out $50 million in uninsured life savings of approximately 1,400 customers. She was named in a RICO class action law suit but doesn't seem to have come out of it too badly.
As a young attorney in the 1990s, Barack Obama represented ACORN in Washington in their successful efforts to expand Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) authority. In addition to making it easier for ACORN groups to force banks into making risky loans, this also paved the way for banks like Superior to package mortgages as investments, and for the Government Sponsored Enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to underwrite them. These changes created the conditions that ultimately lead to the current financial crisis.
ACORN has split up and changed it's name, but it is still highly active. Ferguson was one of it's babies.
Links:
Articles Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis
Obama 8217 s new pardon chief funded ACORN
Obama and ACORN - WikiLeaks
Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Obama 8217 s Secret Collaboration with ACORN Bosses FrontPage Magazine
Obama and ACORN Chicago-The Barack Obama Campaign 2004 - WikiLeaks
Too bad that destroys your entire hallucination.
Plus the government NEVER forced banks to make loans to unqualified buyers, period.
I can see why the Rand institute would take that position. The last thing in the world Repubs want is to have the housing collapse attributed to their obsession in repealing Graham Leach.
And while the FDIC banks had always been allowed into mortgage lending, that one sentence highlighted is a bit disingenuous.
Seems like the writer forgot to mention this; their problems arose from investments in residential mortgages an residential mortgage backed securities consisting of poor quality loans. Investments they had always been free to engage in but declined.
There was a reason that legislation was in place. It served a purpose. If you (and others) don't believe it played a major part in the collapse, if you think it was simply coincidence that after this repeal things started to get crazy, that it was just bad timing, then why was it so important to Republicans to repeal that particular law? What did they and their backers gain from the repeal?
DrDoomNGloom
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Your bound and determined to blame a president for the whole mess.
You will not admit "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" had any thing to do with it ............
Yes George Dubya baited all the ignorant n*ggers and white thrash by telling them they could own houses.
He just forgot to mention their part in the program of hard work and self priorities..
Yes it was all the presidents fault for duping all those dumb n*ggers, he personalty held a gun to each and everyones head and made them sing those contracts......
Dad2three
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Sure, a WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE BY THE BANKSTERS, was because they wanted to 'equal' lending *shaking head*
The laws were on the books for DECADES what happened 2004-2007 that changed it???
November 27, 2007
A Snapshot of the Subprime Market
Dollar amount of subprime loans outstanding:
2007 $1.3 trillion
Dollar amount of subprime loans outstanding in 2003: $332 billion
Percentage increase from 2003: 292%
Number of subprime mortgages made in 2005-2006 projected to end in foreclosure:
1 in 5
Proportion of subprime mortgages made from 2004 to 2006 that come with "exploding" adjustable interest rates: 89-93%
Proportion approved without fully documented income: 43-50%
Proportion with no escrow for taxes and insurance: 75%
Proportion of completed foreclosures attributable to adjustable rate loans out of all loans made in 2006 and bundled in subprime mortgage backed securities: 93%
Subprime share of all mortgage originations in 2006: 28%
Subprime share of all mortgage origination in 2003: 8%
Subprime share of all home loans outstanding:
14%
Subprime share of foreclosure filings in the 12 months ending June 30, 2007: 64%
The negative effects of subprime foreclosures are spreading.
Nearly 45 million homes NOT facing foreclosure will decline in value by an estimated $233 billion with most of the decline hitting in 2008 and 2009 as subprime foreclosures lower the prices of surrounding homes
Subprime foreclosures will rise even higher
A Snapshot of the Subprime Market
MUCH more in MY THREAD:
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