The Rarest Of Virtues

[Bush92]

Joe is a worthless waste of protoplasm and it knows it is a worthless waste of proposal.

Rather than work on elevating itself to something approaching human, all it does is hate the entirety of its culture with a vengeance.

It supports anything as long as that entity opposes us.

Guy, I'm a veteran. I've done more for this society than you EVER will.

I just ask the question- why are we constantly fighting wars in the Middle East? These aren't industrial powerhouses like Nazi Germany or the USSR.

They are impoverished countries that have stuff we want, and we complain when they fight back against just handing it over

I would submit to my fellow conservatives that Joe is another reason we need to take a few steps back from Honor the Troops and etc, which I have felt uncomfortable with for a few years now. YES, the military is an honorable profession, YES, we should honor their sacrifice, and YES, we need them. But holy moly. Not all of them are heroes.

Okay, back to the OP.

Anytime you wear the uniform pick-up up a rifle you’re a hero in my book.

 

[JoeB131]

I would submit to my fellow conservatives that Joe is another reason we need to take a few steps back from Honor the Troops and etc, which I have felt uncomfortable with for a few years now. YES, the military is an honorable profession, YES, we should honor their sacrifice, and YES, we need them. But holy moly. Not all of them are heroes.

Never said I was a hero.

I was a guy who answered when my country called me. (Also, back then, a lot more conservative than I am now.)

What cured me of conservatism is working for a few asshole bosses who could fuck their employees over because Reagan (when he wasn't arming religious crazies we'd have to fight later) rolled back all the rights workers had won since the Labor Movement.

 

[Slade3200]

While gratitude is known as the most important of virtues, courage is the rarest.



1.One of the greatest of disappointments is the latest version of character of the British public. As noted by Melanie Phillips, none other than Sayed Qutb, a founder of violent Islamism, correctly criticizes British society, thus:

“…perception of Western decadence. British Muslims are overwhelmingly horrified and disgusted by the louche and dissolute behavior of a Britain that has torn up the notion of respectability. They observe the alcoholism, drug abuse and pornography, the breakdown of family life and the encouragement of promiscuity, and find themselves therefore in opposition to their host society's guiding values. What they are recoiling from, of course, is the breakdown of Western values. After a visit to the United States in 1948, Sayed Qutb wrote: "Humanity today is living in a large brothel!" Similarly, British Muslims have concluded that the society that expects them to identify with it is a moral cesspit. Is it any wonder, therefore, that they reject it?”

Muslims, therefore, have a religious duty to change Britain into an Islamic society.
And the British public, having abandoned their heritage, belief in their religion, and their backbone, are not willing to put up a strong resistance to same.



2. Well, not all Brits.

George Leonard Carey, Baron Carey of Clifton, the retired Anglican bishop who was the Archbishop of Canterbury, gave quite a speech on the subject of “Christianity and Islam,” "Christianity and Islam", Collision or Convergence - by George Carey | VirtueOnline – The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism

“…wherever we look, Islam seems to be embroiled in conflict with other faiths and other cultures. It is in opposition to practically every other world religion- to Judaism in the Middle East; to Christianity in the West, in Nigeria, and in the Middle East; to Hinduism in India; to Buddhism, especially since the destruction of the Temples in Afghanistan.

We are presented therefore with a huge puzzle concerning Islam. Why is it associated with violence throughout the world?


Listen to Samuel Huntington, one of the most important voices in these matters in recent days. In 1993 he published a controversial essay entitled ‘The Clash of Civilisations’. His thesis was that the collapse of communism signalled the end of ideological battles of the political kind. Western capitalism was now dominant. The next battle he claimed will be the clash of cultures, with Islamic and Christian civilisations separating the world.

In 1997 he published a book of the same name, modifying the thesis but retaining the underlying argument that a clash between two great cultures was inevitable. In an extraordinary claim he insisted: “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power”.

What are the reasons for Islam’s association with terrorism and death?”


Is it possible for Islam to change?

Really excellent food for thought--thanks for sharing. From this Christian's perspective, it will be a tough uphill climb for Islam to live alongside the West IF they plan to truly engage or share the culture.

Islam is a religion of works. Not drinking, not smoking, being modest, praying five times a day, not eating or eating--this is basically the fundamentals of their religion. So when Muslims seek to export their religion they want to see others engage in these behaviors. Not so for Christians: we are a religion of belief, not works. Sure, we don't want to see people out fornicating, taking drugs and etc, but we generally leave the judgment to God (or think we should at any rate).

How those two ever peacefully coincide?

???

I would say both religions share another element that you did not mention.. both have followers that have their own personal beliefs and practices while respecting others people’s right to live how they want to live and both have followers that try and push their beliefs onto others while passing judgement on those that do not follow suit.

My personal observations have shown far more people falling in the first category for both religions.

Then it would behoove you to look at those beliefs carefully when you are around those people, would it not?

For instance, maybe compare Mohammad vs. Jesus.

Why would it behoove me to look at their beliefs carefully?

Um. Really???

You just agreed that a great number of religious people, in your estimation, want to foist their religious beliefs on you, and that "in your personal experience"...no less. So you are around these people. But you think remaining ignorant about their beliefs is a good game plan?

When someone wants to foist their beliefs on me I sure want to know what they are.

You misread what I wrote. I said the majority of religious people I meet are respectful of my beliefs. And I personally ya e studied many of the religions but I don’t think it is necessary for everybody to do so. To each their own.

I Cant take seriously the crazy’s that try and push their beliefs on me... whether it be religious or political.

 

[JoeB131]

Um. Really???

You just agreed that a great number of religious people, in your estimation, want to foist their religious beliefs on you, and that "in your personal experience"...no less. So you are around these people. But you think remaining ignorant about their beliefs is a good game plan?

When someone wants to foist their beliefs on me I sure want to know what they are.

You're the people trying to ban abortion and gay marriage because it makes Baby Jesus Cry.

Muslims just want us to leave their countries and leave them alone... I'm good with that.

 

[Bush92]

Idiot Joe, that's how it's spelled in Hebrew and how it was spelled in older times.

Oh... So you are citing a Zionist source for this supposed picture of Afghan Girls in mini-skirts?

The verses Joe would quote would be verses of specific people God was judging in the Old Testament...NOT all unbelievers or disbelievers. It applied to a small group in the OT and would apply to NO ONE now.

Ah, the good old, "But that's the OLD testament" when the bible says to do something that we'd consider completely unacceptable now... even if Jesus never countermanded it like Slavery or Homophobia.

Zionist? How do get a free pass on this? Im gonna slam you on this asshole.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I would submit to my fellow conservatives that Joe is another reason we need to take a few steps back from Honor the Troops and etc, which I have felt uncomfortable with for a few years now. YES, the military is an honorable profession, YES, we should honor their sacrifice, and YES, we need them. But holy moly. Not all of them are heroes.

Never said I was a hero.

I was a guy who answered when my country called me. (Also, back then, a lot more conservative than I am now.)

What cured me of conservatism is working for a few asshole bosses who could fuck their employees over because Reagan (when he wasn't arming religious crazies we'd have to fight later) rolled back all the rights workers had won since the Labor Movement.

Based on your service, the least the country can do is provide the therapy you so sorely require.....

We must help you get over that deep seated and perpetual self-hatred that you project on everyone and everything else.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Joe is a worthless waste of protoplasm and it knows it is a worthless waste of proposal.

Rather than work on elevating itself to something approaching human, all it does is hate the entirety of its culture with a vengeance.

It supports anything as long as that entity opposes us.

Guy, I'm a veteran. I've done more for this society than you EVER will.

I just ask the question- why are we constantly fighting wars in the Middle East? These aren't industrial powerhouses like Nazi Germany or the USSR.

They are impoverished countries that have stuff we want, and we complain when they fight back against just handing it over

I can accept that you were in the Iranian Republican guard.

What, exactly did you do four our country when in it, exctement?

 

[JoeB131]

I can't spend as much time educating you as you need......the fundamentalist Islamofascists forced burkas on women.

Pakistan created the Taliban. Pakistan was founded with an Islamic character. When Bangladesh broke away it was due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this.

So when Afghanistan needed aid after the Russian invasion, they only supported Islamic groups, and thus the secular and nationalist factions whithered on the vine.

The Pakistani Army would rather make deals with the Talibani factions than fight them, but if push comes to shove, they will repel them: recall the Red Mosque events.

The Pakis didn't arm Bin Laden and his bunch. We did that. There were no sensible Jeffersonian Democrats to be found there.

So we armed religious fanatics who hated modernity, and then wondered why they turned on us? Really?

 

[JoeB131]

I can accept that you were in the Iranian Republican guard.

What, exactly did you do four our country when in it, exctement?

My MOS was 76Y30... Supply NCO.

I was twice awarded the Army Achievement medal and achieved the rank of Staff Sergeant before my honorable discharge in 1992. The main reason why I didn't re-up a fourth time was because after the Gulf War (the stupidest war in human history, until Dubya said, "Hold my beer") I was kind of disillusioned. I signed up to Defend America. Not Exxon and not Israel.

 

[JoeB131]

Based on your service, the least the country can do is provide the therapy you so sorely require.....

We must help you get over that deep seated and perpetual self-hatred that you project on everyone and everything else.

actually, the things I hate, deserve to be hated

I hate a system that sends young men off to die for corporate interests.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

One thing folks should notice about this thing is how often it tries to undermine and detail threads with its hatred of Jews.

I asked management about this detrailment, and they supported the creature's doing so. No matter how a thread starts, once this thing enters, it becomes about Jews instead of the subject matter and this is with the full blessing of usmessageboard .

 

[Slade3200]

Just popped up in my newsfeed... interesting

One man’s fatal quest to convert one of the world’s last uncontacted tribes — Outside

 

[JoeB131]

One thing folks should notice about this thing is how often it tries to undermine and detail threads with its hatred of Jews.

I asked management about this detrailment, and they supported the creature's doing so. No matter how a thread starts, once this thing enters, it becomes about Jews instead of the subject matter and this is with the full blessing of usmessageboard .

Yes, because our military policies in the middle east have NOTHING to do with Zionism.

It's totally because their religion is evil and has cooties!!!!

 

[SweetSue92]

Joe is a worthless waste of protoplasm and it knows it is a worthless waste of proposal.

Rather than work on elevating itself to something approaching human, all it does is hate the entirety of its culture with a vengeance.

It supports anything as long as that entity opposes us.

Guy, I'm a veteran. I've done more for this society than you EVER will.

I just ask the question- why are we constantly fighting wars in the Middle East? These aren't industrial powerhouses like Nazi Germany or the USSR.

They are impoverished countries that have stuff we want, and we complain when they fight back against just handing it over

I would submit to my fellow conservatives that Joe is another reason we need to take a few steps back from Honor the Troops and etc, which I have felt uncomfortable with for a few years now. YES, the military is an honorable profession, YES, we should honor their sacrifice, and YES, we need them. But holy moly. Not all of them are heroes.

Okay, back to the OP.

Anytime you wear the uniform pick-up up a rifle you’re a hero in my book.

And most of them are. But some of them are definitely not.

 

[SweetSue92]

Um. Really???

You just agreed that a great number of religious people, in your estimation, want to foist their religious beliefs on you, and that "in your personal experience"...no less. So you are around these people. But you think remaining ignorant about their beliefs is a good game plan?

When someone wants to foist their beliefs on me I sure want to know what they are.

You're the people trying to ban abortion and gay marriage because it makes Baby Jesus Cry.

Muslims just want us to leave their countries and leave them alone... I'm good with that.

Oh. But those Muslims love them some abortion and gay marriage

 

[JoeB131]

Oh. But those Muslims love them some abortion and gay marriage

They aren't the ones trying to change American society...that would be you Xian nutters.

You see, funny thing. I really, really don't care what goes on in other countries. And I don't let Exxon or the Zionists get me upset about what goes on there, either. It's simply not my problem. At least, not the kind of problem that has involved military intervention for the last 30 years.

 

[badger2]

'Are there not far more urgent problems of development, of economic unbalance, of commercial exploitation, weighing down humanity, which make such abstractions as "transcendence", "sovereignty", and "sacramentality" irrelevant or worse? Will dialogue achieve anything unless it is closely related to the "criticism of earth" rather than the mysteries of heaven? Even if we hold back from a secular temper per se, must we not concede that a practical secularity is our only real option as things are? Religions divide: maybe atheism, at least in operative terms, is what alone can unite us.'
(Cragg K, Legacies and Hopes in Muslim/Christian Theology, Islamochristiana V. 3 1977

 

[badger2]

In post #1, Qutb knows just where to direct his inherent sociographic prudery: against British promiscuity, a clear sign to some of us that Qutb's jihadi critique positions itself in the southwestern quadrant of Shults' graph in Iconoclastic Theology. Qutb's prudery is the fuel for his critique from this southwestern graphic zone, a sociographic prudery that leads to crimes.

Sayyid Qutb
Sayyid Qutb - Wikipedia

Qutb's critique against Brit (or American) decadence was janus-faced:

'The American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips.'
(Sayyid Qutb)

Shari'a "path to water," and the hijab outlines and enhances the same seductions.

 

[anynameyouwish]

While gratitude is known as the most important of virtues, courage is the rarest.



1.One of the greatest of disappointments is the latest version of character of the British public. As noted by Melanie Phillips, none other than Sayed Qutb, a founder of violent Islamism, correctly criticizes British society, thus:

“…perception of Western decadence. British Muslims are overwhelmingly horrified and disgusted by the louche and dissolute behavior of a Britain that has torn up the notion of respectability. They observe the alcoholism, drug abuse and pornography, the breakdown of family life and the encouragement of promiscuity, and find themselves therefore in opposition to their host society's guiding values. What they are recoiling from, of course, is the breakdown of Western values. After a visit to the United States in 1948, Sayed Qutb wrote: "Humanity today is living in a large brothel!" Similarly, British Muslims have concluded that the society that expects them to identify with it is a moral cesspit. Is it any wonder, therefore, that they reject it?”

Muslims, therefore, have a religious duty to change Britain into an Islamic society.
And the British public, having abandoned their heritage, belief in their religion, and their backbone, are not willing to put up a strong resistance to same.



2. Well, not all Brits.

George Leonard Carey, Baron Carey of Clifton, the retired Anglican bishop who was the Archbishop of Canterbury, gave quite a speech on the subject of “Christianity and Islam,” "Christianity and Islam", Collision or Convergence - by George Carey | VirtueOnline – The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism

“…wherever we look, Islam seems to be embroiled in conflict with other faiths and other cultures. It is in opposition to practically every other world religion- to Judaism in the Middle East; to Christianity in the West, in Nigeria, and in the Middle East; to Hinduism in India; to Buddhism, especially since the destruction of the Temples in Afghanistan.

We are presented therefore with a huge puzzle concerning Islam. Why is it associated with violence throughout the world?


Listen to Samuel Huntington, one of the most important voices in these matters in recent days. In 1993 he published a controversial essay entitled ‘The Clash of Civilisations’. His thesis was that the collapse of communism signalled the end of ideological battles of the political kind. Western capitalism was now dominant. The next battle he claimed will be the clash of cultures, with Islamic and Christian civilisations separating the world.

In 1997 he published a book of the same name, modifying the thesis but retaining the underlying argument that a clash between two great cultures was inevitable. In an extraordinary claim he insisted: “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power”.

What are the reasons for Islam’s association with terrorism and death?”


Is it possible for Islam to change?

I exhibit great courage every day when I stand up to conservative fascists.

 

[ding]

The root cause of all societal problems is a lack of virtue.